Botwatch 90!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM. And ‘coaching’ scams are just as bad!

[Spongebobette]

New Fred

welcome one and all to bot watching- where we pint out the lies and manipulation by ‘bots’ - those involved in network marketing, coaching etc etc

there is no magic money tree so don’t be fooled!

I just read through castles podcast about being scammed

Clearly she had and still has no clue about due diligence. But if she applies the basic - look at their accounts on companies house - and see if they align with what you’ve been told, you’d see castle as a bunch of dissolved companies and negative equity

she can’t tell people what to look or doesn’t want to take a hard look at them as if her minions looked at her results they’d see failure propped up as success by her mother. Who seems to be doing the cooking, cleaning and looking after the kids while castle writes fairly basic soundbites on a whiteboard.

@Justdancevance and this is I think why she hasn’t named that person - I doubt she’s even gone to the police , as people will see they had a limited company together.

I hope the people affected in scamversity to the police directly.

I wonder have any of the victims heard from the police directly, especially those scammed by the person when she was working with castle, or is castle handling all the communication, perhaps a gullible minion is being brought along too

@Crikeyalmighty yes, her biggest priority was putting apparent distance between the scammer and herself and distracting followers away from pursuing the scammer directly or digging too much by telling them she was handling the legal process and to come to her with their stories. Anyone who stood back and looked at Castle’s promotion of the scammer (much of it deleted) would have been able to see that not only did she not do any due diligence but she was promoting the scammer long after other “successful coaches” were raising red flags. In fact her enthusiastic promotion of the scammer’s particular swindle was days before she resigned as a director of their joint company. Only when she was in danger of being held responsible for people’s losses did she swiftly cut ties and start claiming to have lost huge amounts of money as a “much bigger victim than any of you minions”. The quickest way to get a comment deleted is to ask what’s happening with her pursuit of the scammer! It’s a shame the victims don’t pay with marked £20 notes. If they did they’d be able to see that their lost money is in Castle’s bank account.

She may well have been misled by the scammer’s sob stories and have been hurt about that and she probably did lend the scammer [her parents’] cash but all of that, which would have stopped most people continuing the relationship, didn’t stop Castle, nor did other people losing money. The woman is a self-serving, entirely selfish dullard.

I wonder if it’s gone quiet because as soon as Castle started talking about legal rubbish (even just to convince her audience) the much sharper scammer was able to remind Castle that she had evidence that Castle wasn’t a victim at all. So now Castle needs to duck and dive and try and keep reinforcing the trusting and kindly victim narrative AND keep a lid on what the scammer might have to say. I really hope her part in it gets a public airing.

@YouOKHun indeed - not sure how I got blocked I never posted - maybe I popped up on the ‘people you might know a bit too much for her liking after nosing round her page ) !! At some point though people are going to want this person named I would have thought , maybe she’s dragging it out hoping they forget

Most of her followers will have the memory of a goldfish so if she keeps on posting non stop special offers and once in a lifetime sharing of secret strategies they’ll be distracted

but anyone with the slightest bit of critical thinking will question why she’s been scammed twice now, by someone she went into partnership with and promoted as the best thing since sliced bread

definitely a lack of due diligence at the very least

This week is the BBC’s Scam Safe week and it’s good to see that the Ellie Flynn MLM documentary is placed in this catagory on iPlayer alongside Rip-Off Britain, Scam Land, The Holiday Swindler, Con or Cure, Bad Influencer and My Insta Scammer Friend to name just a few. Absolutely where MLM belongs.

Quite right @YouOKHun. I hope someone creates a similar documentary focusing on so-called six-figure coaches.

Was just thinking the same @HotAsSatansBalls. Apprentice Bot would be a very good place to start. Today she is telling her followers “we are now PubMed referenced for our research into depression, Alzheimer’s, cancer, menopause and chronic pain”. She has just discovered the existence of PubMed thanks to the dodgy scientist but has not understood that it’s basically the Google of Life Science/med etc research and not a guarantee of quality (and possibly has numbered days anyway). Anyway, it’s the usual health claim but a bit fuzzier in the hope the ASA won’t bother. However it’s clearly convincing her followers that it’s a sign that they should all get on board and do more training so they’re ready to work in the NHS as BCers (yes, she has said that before). Though why they would want to do that when they are all going to be millionaires.

I wish someone would complain to the ASA about her current income claim focus which is proving very expensive for those buying endless training and attending endless seminars in pursuit of the Millionaire Lifestyle she says BC can provide.

Castle could share the spotlight with Apprentice bot and Bruv and Fierce for their connection to Castle. There is an entire series about scammers right there.

Love Yawn thinking she's a genius because she told her yoga client she could do videos with lovely scenery behind her. You have to pay for this advice??

Is that why she films her exercise videos in a cramped space with the curtains drawn behind her?

Haha. Gorgeous scenery at night

It’s not long now (6th December) until the awards ceremony at a hotel in London. Yawn had nominated herself but doesn’t expect to win this time (so she said in October). To be in with a chance she’d have to find a few hundred quid for a ticket so that’s a non starter (unless Mr Yawn can be persuaded to cough up).

It will be interesting to see if the event happens and if it does go ahead just how creative the photography will need to be to make it look like a crowded room. The event seems to have been put together by a coach who operates out of her back bedroom in Wales. Her only content seems to be her drinking champagne in various venues. It doesn’t look like she has managed to con enough Yawns to make it happen.

I think that, as far as Yawn is concerned, the post she made about ‘being nominated’ is all we will hear about if and she’s extracted as much as she can from the so called awards

@Spongebobetteyes, I agree, it was just something to post to try and lift dreary content. She expects her audience to have short memories so there is no need to worry about following it up.

Meanwhile, over at FLP the bots still can’t be trusted to think through their posts and run a critical eye over the visual they’ve created and ask themselves, ‘is there anything about this that could trigger thoughts and associations with pyramids?’. Or is it just me who thinks it’s a bad look?!

I've just gone to the ticket page for the oneaward show and sales have ended for each category of tickets so it's 99% been cancelled or 1% crickey there are some gullible fools.

Wow has anybody seen the video released by the Data protection Commission on the dangers of sharenting? (it came up on my insta, tiktok and fb). It's very good, nothing a responsible parent didn't know but many of our well known bots could do with viewing it, it might finally dawn on them the dangers they are exposing their children to just for their own engagement, I do hope so.

Yes I’ve seen that and shared it

it’s one of my main bugbears worry these influencers/ mlm types, the way they exploit their children

*with these influencers

Really think it’s bad - they do it to appeal to other mums with kids, look more human etc

I haven’t seen video yet but it’s definitely one for Uber and Headband. Headband gets very angry if her son’s privacy is mentioned. Presumably this is because she knows there is absolutely no defending what she does. Uber has, in the past, hurriedly taken down key (awful) posts involving her youngest but it hasn’t stopped her urge to use her DD as a promotional tool repeatedly (though not as often as Hi-de-Hell). The speedy removal but repeated behaviour just demonstrates that Uber’s immmediate concern is about preventing negative feedback not about realising she has done something risky. Given that these two can’t be unaware of the risks it says a lot about their priorities and values that they continue to overshare.

It’s not as if the risks of sharenting is a new concept, is it? I remember pre 2012 we had a CEOP person who came to my DC’s school and delivered a truly terrifying talk to parents which tracked an innocent photo of a child placed on FB as it was shared. We were probably less aware then but I don’t see how anyone can allow their need for attention override the need to protect their children from potential harm (or even just later embarrassment).

Castle too, she wheels out the youngest for sympathy, stealth showing off, virtue signalling etc. Probably why her BiL and nipotini seem to stay well clear.

I’ve noticed that the eldest Castle son features less these days - perhaps he’s aware enough now to object
sadly the younger one is exploited by his mum, so carelessly and without any consideration for his privacy and dignity 😔

She is definitely keeping her hand in isn’t she @dickiedavisthunderthighsand there is the odd “well done” from both Borings on the FLP FBO private FB page. There is a sense that they’re lying low while some sort of process is unfolding. They probably really need the mortgage company to offload that house if there is any equity at all.

What about their downline? What happens when the people above you who apply the pressure just disappear? Why have they been wiped from FLP? Do we think there may be something more concerning to FLP than a house repossession, like something criminal - something which has meant he’s had to withdraw from FLP? I feel there is much more to this story of taped over loo seats. A top 3 UK Bot doesn’t just disappear overnight as a result of “being hacked”. Keeping an eye on the .gov website for him!

@Spongebobette it was excruciating watching the oldest Turret having his privacy well and truly trashed. Especially as it was clear he was very unhappy about it, clearly embarrassed but too young to really voice his unhappiness or be sure his feelings were right, you could see it written all over his face, poor boy. It looks like he’s left alone now which is good. Let’s hope some of the footage is deleted and not following him around as I expect he doesn’t want it surfacing now.