Botwatch 90!!!! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM. And ‘coaching’ scams are just as bad!

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New Fred

welcome one and all to bot watching- where we pint out the lies and manipulation by ‘bots’ - those involved in network marketing, coaching etc etc

there is no magic money tree so don’t be fooled!

@YouOKHun yep I think you may be right about Tik tok on reflection, more people for whatever reason do see it but it can expose you to some ‘not supportive’ people and comments and she doesn’t seem to have rhinoceros skin level sensibilities.

yep on the money front it’s kind of an ‘on paper thing’ if she has paid that initial tax - and as the law stands can carry on indefinitely - but that’s a risk, any gvt can change the rules and that would probably mean a write off and ‘a lot’ of NI to be paid.- although could then technically reclaim tax paid but then between 8% and 33% personal dividend tax on the write off - ( so balances out) -

personally as you say i can’t quite see the logic of not getting a job but not really a great time for that either - I wouldn’t be suprised if she involves herself in another MLM at some point!!

i don’t agree with her choices and think she’s clearly somewhat vain, rather deluded in what she has to offer and a bit prone to bullshit, but I’m not getting the vibe she’s a horrible person , maybe I’m going soft in my old age, !!! whereas a few of the others you mention , blimey they are out and out really hard nosed scammers that need a visit from that ‘scammer’ TV chap -

@Crikeyalmighty I would say she is much diminished these days but she has many victims from FLP days and didn’t appear to be treating people very well at all. The lies were pretty big and misleading and damaged people. She wasn’t the only one of course. From a longterm botwatching perspective it’s very hard to be positive about her!

Holy moly, pastor bot has just done a live and it’s truly jaw dropping in its guilt
trippingness to donate these wondrous gift packs for people ‘that have no hope left’ 😱

I fired up the burner and Fucking Hell! he has no shame

It’s pretty full on and shocking isn’t it, I presume the push is on for extra sales before month end.
I bet he’s a right ‘fire, brimstone and hell’ preacher from that little speech

@YouOKHun I guess I have the advantage of not reading this page when she was in full MLM
swing !! hence my softness - all seems rather sad to me and unrealistic whilst trying very hard being honest now

yes I bet he is the weasel. It's interesting the church which he seems most aflilated with says on it's webpage "our denominational policy currently restricts our ability to host or officiate same-gender marriages" . He refers to his husband sometimes so I wonder why you'd preach at a church that wouldn't recognise your union, although Methodist churches are allowed to if the minister agrees with it. Looking at their FB page he attends all the coffee mornings with his gloop stall and helps run social occasions so I wander if he is a false prophet and it's all a ruse to add to his network and grift his gloop. Wouldn't surprise me and I do feel a bit mean thinking like this but nothing surprises me anymore with this lot.

Apprentice Bot talking about Bruv:
So in the last 2 years we’ve not only worked together really closely with everything creative for my businesses but we’ve also become extremely close friends. I trust him like family. He always delivers. He’s never let me down.

Is this the media manager who never lets you down even though he gets false stats from AI that gets you into trouble with the ASA, or is this the sycophantic airhead who never lets you down by being prepared to take the blame for the lie you told the ASA about where your amazing depression cure rate came from?

He’s the definition of a useful idiot

I see Yawn is using that photo of her holding up loads of banknotes
#loadsamoney

and who’d have thought of all the brilliant ideas that she’s suggesting to make money?? Genius

sell your clutter for cash!!!

baking! Hair! Organisation! Charge people for it!!

Has Yawn suggested taking in ironing, or would that be too mumsnetty for her?

Don’t knock it. Sell three sweaty old vests on Vinted in one month and you’ve doubled November’s earnings from BuildHerPipeDream.

Freemasonery and MLM, wasn't there a historic link?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5449620-aibu-to-think-modern-day-freemasonry-is-basically-a-money-making-scheme

I can’t recall any links between Freemasonry and MLMs, apart from a vague idea surrounding funny handshakes. If you must shake hands with an MLM bot, remember to count your fingers afterwards, just in case.

It was Mormons + MLMs I think - the business model suited SAHMs in Utah and there are many many MLMs there and in Arizona

It would be interesting to know which male members of a secretive and opaque cult-like organisation is also a free mason wouldn’t it? Just the other day it was reported that the Met police were reportedly having a crackdown on FM corruption among their ranks and it has made me wonder whether there was a FM ingredient in, for example, Miss S’s over zealous dawn arrest (not in London) which was a bit peculiar!

Castle is doing a podcast about how she was ‘scammed’ and coaches who ‘don’t deliver’

@JustdancevanceI dare anyone with a Facebook account they’re happy to have blocked to comment, ‘how awful that your biz partner in Scammer Ltd was able to scam so many people as a result of being promoted by you and other coaches who did no due diligence! Why was that?’.

I dare do it but can’t see a post of hers since 5th November!! Not sure why

She’s ’locked ‘ out her Facebook account but has a new ‘castle online’ Facebook account

I wonder if she has been reported by someone? There must be some unhappy people who have parted with money. Or perhaps an ex-biz partner. I can’t believe she can come out of that scammer episode without some shit sticking to her.

It’s actually an Instagram page- can’t see a Facebook one - which is quite smart on her part as if you post it’s on an individual post amongst lots - which will have a lot less traction than a Facebook thread .

i think so too - otherwise why not use your FB page with an awful lot of followers

What has that venue cost that Castle is swanning about in? And who paid for it, herself or did her top tier club members all have to chip in?

I’m afraid you ladies most have been blocked

she’s there with a regular castle FB account and now she’s ‘locked out’ she’s using a ‘castle online’ FB account

She’s got a new bunch of recruits to do the work for her and they’re all holed up in a fancy new place that she’d booked while working with the last scammer.

Castles sister was probably the only one happy to do all castles donkey work and try to keep her on track while castle spent the money. I’m always amazed how she talks about her sister, completing ignoring the fact she was a wife and mother, they’ve all been airbrushed away,

She doesn’t care how her nephews feel every time she uses her sister as a marketing tool.

Shes not doing any fundraising for the charity. Just me me me