Botwatch 88 !! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.

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oops, posted my question on an old thread. 🤦‍♀️ Copied it below as genuinely curious about this.
Hi everyone. I don’t normally post here but a few things have popped up on my FB that have made me curious. There now appear to be loads of people setting up as travel consultants and then trying to encourage others to train with them and set up as travel consultants. Apparently they can earn as much or as little as they like. It all sounds very familiar. Are travel consultants the new Forever Living? Has anybody else noticed this trend?

@dazzlingdeborahrose

I wondered much the same. I have a colleague at work who I know has been working as a travel agent on the side through a venture I've seen on Instagram. The fact that she keeps sharing pictures of other women who have made it to Bronze level, after only a month of working, makes me think it's classic MLM? But then it might just be points for booking holidays for other people...

Yep! MLM. Some Forever Living bots have jumped ship and become travel consultants. Dodgy

@dazzlingdeborahrose The best way to assess the legitimacy of Inteletravel (to my mind) is to remember that one of the more bouyant times for Inteletravel was during the pandemic when there was a global ban on travel. At the same time there was rise in people looking for flexible home working. How could a company that claims it sells travel thrive during a global travel ban? Unless of course it wasn’t really powered by selling travel.

Ah yes, sorry I meant filing deadline. She has got another couple of months for a miracle to happen.

I suspect she will hang on and not file until she has worked out a solution. As soon as she files, it is going to be so blindingly obvious to hmrc that the DL can never be paid off.

Trouble is, there is no solution unless she can magic a windfall from another biznizz. Or a very well paid Job. And neither seems likely.

I think bankruptcy would be the only way out. Even with a successful small business or a top paying job, to clear £200k is going to taken many years. It's a crazy situation.

They only have to pay the tax on that amount, not the whole amount

It’s still a lot of money to find.
Just had a look through Yawns full new website. She has gone down the affiliate route. Offering 10% commission to affiliates so that’s a whole £2.20 per referral and you only get paid when you earn over £50 in affiliate commission. She also seems to have sorted out her data protection but not sure whether she has registered.

@Angrymum22no she hasn’t registered with the ICO (nor has Mr Yawn) or hadn’t a few days ago when I checked. The website woman has given her the right words to put on her site and the website woman is registered but only for her own business. Presumably the great business guru has no clue or thinks data protection is not something she has to worry about.

The affiliate deal is a cracking offer isn’t it? Naturally there has been complete silence since it was announced and just a few excited posts on the day she launched it from those who hadn’t thought about the chances of ever topping £50. She’s launched so many new initiatives since last week alone that I had almost forgotten about the affiliate flash in the pan.

In a normal world, WHY would it upset people though? WHY?
It’s only in MLMs that people go off you when you leave

plus this is the sort of gaslighting you hear from bots, to stop recruits from posting to friends and relatives who are ‘negative’ about MWM

I was just coming on here to comment on that post @Spongebobette. It is rubbish for all the reasons you cite, but I think it was posted not to convince her followers but to defend herself. I think she has had a difficult week and has had some negative feedback. It’s also nearly 24 hours since she posted it with nothing since which is unusual for her (not forgetting her lack of posts last weekend). I wonder if she is having to face some difficult truths as described upthread (plus missing the GR must hurt).

LISTENING TO friends and family, not posting

autocorrect ggrrrr

I’m going to buy one of Speccy’s arrangements you know. I think they’re lovely.

If Yawn’s company has to be wound up, or becomes insolvent, it’s not just the huge tax bill on the director’s loan she’ll have to pay: insolvency practitioners / liquidators aren’t cheap either. If she’s given personal guarantees, or can’t pay the liquidator, she could end up bankrupt and find herself on the individual insolvency list for everyone to see.

I hope Speccy reserves a wreath to commemorate the death of Forever Living UK when the ship goes down.

@Holgen@YouOkHun@Spongebobette MLMs are like a hydra. One head is cut off and another 2 grow back. Where does it all end?

They are lovely, the Christmas wreaths she did were gorgeous...

Homeschool can now coach you to Bankruptcy perhaps Yawn can include her as an additional offering in her unlucky arsenal.

Why do they all move to coaching, I know some legitimate coaches and they struggle to make any money.

@Botpottyreplying in case you disappear! I need to have a look at Homeschool. Since Weird Willy reappeared I’ve been distracted away from her. Has she dropped LG?

I notice that Uber and quite a few FLP bots follow Apprentice Bot’s therapy cult. Rich pickings there. Bruv is still doing the colouring in for Apprentice Bot. BC can cure anything from ADHD to poverty, from depression to dental pain and they’ve even got a neuro scientist who seems to have slightly less scientific rigour than a Year 7 biology lesson on a Friday afternoon. Apprentice Bot must be clawing quite a bit of cash from her “evidence based” Cult of Personality.

Because during their rise and fall in MLM it is obligatory to stroke the ego of your up line and your manager love bombs you initially to keep you on board. This translate to many of them as “ I must be an amazing coach”.

But it’s all done using a script that doesn’t translate into the real business world so is doomed to failure.

A small, very small, number do have some business acumen, probably from their life before MLM, but most are just women suckered in by the glam and promise of untold wealth. Like Yawn with her single gcse, it’s nearly that time of year again when she reposts her wisdom re exam results.

Coaching bots is all they know, and I suspect the idiots who subscribe are mostly bots. Castle bot was a prime example when she set up her scamversity. When they introduced the certificates and listed recipients, 90% were bots that the probably targeted when she was kicked out of FLP.

If we can see the members of their coaching groups so can the MLMs. I would expect that the companies discourage bots from certain coaches.

To paraphrase Samuel Johnson, coaching is the last refuge of the scoundrel (or bankrupt bot)

Yawn is again curiously quiet. I think she is really struggling and missing Paris must be driving home to her just how much FLP distracted her from some nasty realities - she may have taken to her bed with a nasty case of FOMO and worry about the coaching biz. A bit of me wondered if she has got a job at the weekends. I realise this is a huge leap into unlikely territory but the lack of posting (or scheduling posts) two weekends in a row seems so out of character.

I hadn’t thought of that. She has gone very quiet over the last two weeks.

@Angrymum22I’m thinking bar work or something weekend oriented. Or perhaps Mr Yawn has got her an admin job at his sliding doors/glass ceiling company? Or she has run off to join the circus (not the one currently appearing in Paris). Something is up.

I can’t see a job working with the public on the cards. She’s tried to recruit or has recruited most of the local populace at one point or the other; imagine if one of them saw the ‘self made millionaire’ waiting tables in the local cafe?
I’m wondering if she’s fallen off the wagon.