Botwatch 88 !! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM.

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@BotpottyI was wondering about the content of The Unlucky Club and how much of it will disappear soon, assuming that ‘accessing the amazing content’ means being able to watch Yawn holding court on previous Lives. Bots’ lives are drivel, I agree, and it is likely to be helpful to most of them if the lies disappear after 30 days but I just wondered if it will mean a load of padding will disappear from Yawn’s closed group content.

Can anyone tell me what "digital products" are? I keep seeing people promoting these on Tik Tok, but have no idea what they are?

I presume they are a scam of some sort?

oh I'm with you now sorry, no I hadn't thought about the likes of Yawn's paid 'content'. Never fear though maybe Techbot can integrate it into her wonderful webpage and she will have to pay to store her own drivel. If I wasn't blocked I'd ask her the question as to how shes planning on managing it, I'm sure it will come as a surprise to her and won't believe it will apply to her.

If you have a history of lying or changing your backstory, it’s an advantage to have lives deleted

@topcat2014 yes, I am seeing that a lot too but haven’t concentrated enough on it to work out exactly what it means (other than different vocabulary for the same scam).

There is a bot in FM World who is using this term a lot (referred to here as Soft Focus Bot). I know that in the case of FMW they are expecting the bots to purchase a new make up range made in Turkey which is available at a fraction of the price in any market in Turkey. As they don’t exist the UK as the FMW UK company was quietly shut down and emptied of cash perhaps they are positioning the lack of a tangible product as some kind of digital offering. I know I sound mad but anything is possible. Though Soft Focus bot may having been offering a non tangible digital product just to keep the attention of her large downlines while they cobble together the Turkish make up opportunity.

Found this:

Multi-Level Marketing (MLM) has evolved over the years, adapting to various industries and product types. One such adaptation is the Digital Products MLM plan, which focuses on distributing and selling digital goods and services through a multi-level network.

Understanding Digital Products MLM:

Digital products encompass a wide range of offerings, including e-books, online courses, software, mobile apps, digital art, music, and more. These products can be easily distributed and replicated, making them an attractive choice for MLM companies.

One of soft focus’s current downlines that I follow and who has had a bit of a run in with the It’s the Fizz page over the last week (surname is an old bbc sci-fi tv series ___ 7) is all about TikTok and digital products and selling her ‘expertise’ through digital downloads now linked through our old friend the Stan Store. Sci-fi bot as I’ll call her was previously in Revital U and then it’s uk spin off Amagen Life ??. Apparently, the reason why she’s gone so hard into TikTok selling since January is because she’s learnt not to have just one source of income alter the collapse of the coffee empire even though she’s earning multiple 4 figure sums from FM 🤥🤥. Anyway, even though she makes a big thing about not having done well at school, she’s written multiple guides on TikTok for online digital marketing/ selling in record time…I’m presuming ChatGPT did the work for her.

Its the fizz page has shared another couple of interesting lives / posts from an ex FM bot who has posted lots about the state of FM and screenshots of how cheap the new make up is

It’s the logical extension of MLMs isn’t it?
Selling something that’s not tangible. Much easier than trying to sell fake perfume, aloe gloop or diet shakes. Just sell something downloadable.

Agree @Spongebobetteand so much easier to hide from those attempting to impose some kind of regulation.

Yawn would like to remind us that friends should be proud of her not jealous. What she means is that everyone must constantly boost her ego and if they are neutral or even politely critical they are jealous (envious). I wonder who has crossed the line? I see all the noise she has been making about weight loss and signing up to the Unluckly club has made no difference whatsoever, apart from losing one person.

What, you mean the pick’n’mix assortment isn’t attracting new clients? 😂

Oh dear, feeling a bit hurt yawn???

Yawn is clearly very triggered by her lack of friendships. If you feel the need to put up not one but two posts stating that people should be wary of you for having little to no friendships then that's a real issue for you as the person. You do not have true friends because you are extremely toxic. You are a self obsessed narcissistic bully who is reaping years of your own behaviour. Own your mistakes if you have the emotional and mental capacity. It's unlikely for yawn though.

@Sugarplum48 i think one thing they forget is people don’t want genuine friendships if they think you are going to be trying to sell them something or rope them in on some scheme - they avoid you like the plague.

Exactly right

Yawn and her ilk advise new recruits to inveigle themselves into groups and make connections in order to ‘offer them the business opportunity’

basically pretending to be friends in order to exploit them

it’s so cynical

@Spongebobette it reminds me way back in the very late 80s when a school friend who was also my bridesmaid invited me round to their new house - hadn’t seen her for 6 months so was looking forward to seeing her - when I got there her husband was sat down with her and within 10 minutes they had given me the hard sell on Amway. I felt incredibly awkward and couldn’t wait to leave - and she never contacted me again, nor did I contact her - a good friend list through plain desire to’get on ‘ -

It’s one of the many steps MLMs get you to take on the road to full on lying

You start with pretending you are interested in someone and befriend them (with an ulterior motive)….. invite friends round to your house for a face pack and prosecco party (and your upline is there prospecting them all and they have to at least buy something to avoid seeing rude)

until one day you find yourself claiming your side hustle paid for your holiday, your diet shakes made you lose 7 stone and you are financially free with a willable income and living your dream life

At least she isn’t starting an interior design business. Bloody hell.

Give it time!! Isn't one of her :clients: doing mortgages and some other scam along side mortgage advice??

@Sugarplum48I saw mention of her mortgage advisor client the other day and immediately thought about the consequences of taking advice on the biggest financial commitment most of us make from a person who thinks Yawn is credible. Terrifying.

It's terrifying isn't it!!

Something similar happened to me and my DH. We had very young children and were friends with a couple who asked us to meet a friend of theirs with a proposition they had recently got involved in. We went and it was Amway. I knew nothing about MLM but instinctively knew it wasn't for us and said so. They never mentioned it again and we continued to be friends for some years.

Sleeze is quiet on his mate Andrew Tate and brother's 21 charges, not the Top G now is he Wezzie Boy?

OMG I have JUST REMEMBERED

in the very early 80s we had some posh friends (him Eton and she Roedean) who we saw occasionally for dinner and they got into Amway !!!

They tried to persuade us to join but we had zero spare money and I got a weird vibe about it and we didn’t get sucked in

we lost touch with them (much easier to do in those days before smartphones and social media)

I was Amway-ed too, it was probably 1993/4? I went to see a friend in Wales and the entire weekend was presentation after presentation. It was as though the entire town was doing it.

They really pushed the make up (Artistry??) it was the "hook" to get the ladies in, the big bucks talk was the hook for the menfolk!

I wasn’t Amway-ed but my Aunt was via her terminally stupid husband. This was c.1990, my aunt’s husband had a friend from the US that he used to work with who popped up and started grooming the husband. Suddenly my aunt’s kitchen was full of Amway product and she wasn’t happy. Then one day my dad phoned the friend up and had a word and within days he’d picked up the product, reimbursed my attention aunt and disappeared. I still don’t know what my dad said to him but he clearly scared him off.

I would never have got involved in MLM even back before I was really aware of them, not out of any knowledge about them but just because I’ve always had an aversion to monitising friendships and I’m sure I’m not alone in that! It’s interesting to recall how one responded to MLM before it spread thanks to the internet and before it was in one’s awareness as a scam. When I was about eighteen in the mid-eighties I was invited to drinks at some woman’s house and when I got there it was a NuSkin event. The pressure was on to buy and being eighteen and yet to mutate into the bolshy old woman I am now, I felt I had to make a purchase so I bought the cheapest thing on offer. A cheap looking plastic bottle of facial spray that still represented a sizeable chunk of my available cash. It lurked in my cupboard unused for many years. I didn’t know anything about pyramiddy things then but I knew I’d been ripped off. These were the days when the party “host” would hand over everyone’s phone numbers and addresses but at least it was harder then to bother people.

The next time was c.1995 when Cabouchon Jewellery (remember them?) was absolutely rife in my workplace. It was not my scene so I never bought it and I didn’t like being hassled either. Then the company crashed in 1998 leaving the distributors out of pocket. I think the owner ended up in the dock for starting up a new company of the same name as an undischarged bankrupt. She was found guilty but I don’t know what happened to her. Last heard of shilling some magnetic wellness product. Cabouchon gets a mention in this 1997 article about fine tuning the regulation of trading schemes and so called “legitimate” MLM ‘like Amway and Cabouchon’. Did that fine tuning ever happen?! Did the DTI stop calling the likes of Amway “legitimate”. I fear not. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/dti-to-target-pyramid-crooks-1276475.html