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Look rich but very poor

413 replies

greyfoxy · 12/01/2025 10:38

I live in a lovely house in a nice area, I wear nice clothes and I know people perceive me as being well off. The truth is I have absolutely no money. It's 2 weeks until pay day and I have £15 left. I will end up using credit cards to buy the essentials which is why I'm in this mess - my repayments are huge.

Anyone else relate to this?

OP posts:
Monsterstogo · 12/01/2025 18:01

iamnotalemon · 12/01/2025 17:55

It's only a tough month as people go absolutely mental at Christmas which could be avoided!

People want to have fun at Christmas. I’ve never been in debt, mortgage free and save significantly each year.

It’s good to socialise with friends and family and people on mumsnet are quite strange with finances. If this is just one month it’s really quite normal and will be ok by pay day. People just need perspective. If in debt that’s another matter, I can’t tell from the OP.

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 12/01/2025 18:02

scandista · 12/01/2025 11:45

I'm a less extreme version of PPs.

We earn ok, £120k in London, get a bonus £15-20k every year. We own 80% of our £1m house. We have 3-4 holidays each year. We dress well, we eat extremely well. We have about £10-15k savings.

But we have about £12k of cc debt and live in our overdrafts.

We both suffered significant bereavements at a young age and I wonder if that's why we have this mad attitude to money. I wish we weren't like this but can't seem to stop.

That doesn’t sound too bad? Can’t you just add the 12k to your mortgage? Or use the savings to pay off the debt?

Lungsonfire · 12/01/2025 18:03

@iamnotalemon yeah, I’m foolish and I would like to have cash than these items, however I keep selling and re buying a new items, that’s how it buy more clothes, by reselling my old ones which still have label on..
it’s a pure madness, I mean who needs 30 jackets and 50 bags?
I think it’s comes from the times when I was young child and I longed to have nice clothes and nice items and there were not clothes/ items available..so now I’m buy all these to satisfy what I never had..

MissDeborah · 12/01/2025 18:06

Lungsonfire · 12/01/2025 18:03

@iamnotalemon yeah, I’m foolish and I would like to have cash than these items, however I keep selling and re buying a new items, that’s how it buy more clothes, by reselling my old ones which still have label on..
it’s a pure madness, I mean who needs 30 jackets and 50 bags?
I think it’s comes from the times when I was young child and I longed to have nice clothes and nice items and there were not clothes/ items available..so now I’m buy all these to satisfy what I never had..

I think this type of childhood issue can resurface as you say and cause overspending issues.
Unless you get to the bottom of it then it never stops and you end up on a cycle of spend-shame-spend
Can you seek counselling??

Monsterstogo · 12/01/2025 18:06

iamnotalemon · 12/01/2025 17:55

It's only a tough month as people go absolutely mental at Christmas which could be avoided!

Apologies just re read it and said repayments are huge, so my mistake here.

iamnotalemon · 12/01/2025 18:07

Lungsonfire · 12/01/2025 18:03

@iamnotalemon yeah, I’m foolish and I would like to have cash than these items, however I keep selling and re buying a new items, that’s how it buy more clothes, by reselling my old ones which still have label on..
it’s a pure madness, I mean who needs 30 jackets and 50 bags?
I think it’s comes from the times when I was young child and I longed to have nice clothes and nice items and there were not clothes/ items available..so now I’m buy all these to satisfy what I never had..

I guess we all have deep rooted reasons for our behaviour - I'm not perfect. Just a shame if you have these assets that could make your life a bit better and give you more money to spend.

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 12/01/2025 18:07

I cannot believe the amount of people who live their lives this way. I see them in work, neighbours in debt up to their eyeballs just to have that car or that house or those clothes.
This lifestyle would give me the fear, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
Status is everything these days I suppose, at any cost.😮

LittleDeeAndME · 12/01/2025 18:28

pinkyredrose · 12/01/2025 12:46

Some people on this thread don't know what the word 'poor' means.

Just what I was thinking - being in mortgage/rent arrears arrears, being on UC and just about getting by, needing to use food banks - having a holiday is a distant memory and unreachable - choosing eating or heating - that's poor
NOT holidays, high earnings and high spending.

Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2025 18:29

Jollygoodtime09 · 12/01/2025 11:26

We are the same OP. We have several holidays a year. DC have expensive hobbies. A decent sized house. We bring home £7.5k a month. But we have £20k on credit cards. We pay the minimum each month. All on no interest rate offers. We also have a credit card we use and pay off in full each month (we correct avios so we can fly business class). This bill is around £2k a month. I would rather we didn't use it but DH racks it all up. After credit cards, mortgage and bills we are left with around £1.5k a month for food/petrol/social/DC. I've said to my mum a few times in passing that "we can't afford X" to which she replied "you've got loads of money". She doesn't know the truth. I've taken a second job in years gone by, she has never known this. Yes we should pay off the credit card debt and not go on holiday. But life is short and the DC are only young once.

This year we're skiing, I have a holiday with friends abroad, then we're off on a 3 week holiday to USA. None of this will go on credit card. We're not adding to the £20k but we're not making a debt in the balance either

If we had 1 year of no holidays and I took a second job for the whole year then we could clear a hell of a lot of the debt. But DH won't do no holidays and I don't know if I could do a second job for a year (would mean 50hour week, with my FT job)

You significantly live beyond your means yet go on ££££ holiday by business class. Facade of affluence without the means
Stop the holidays,downscale to a air B&G in uk
Get a second job and address your dysfunctional relationship with money
Your DH has a dysfunctional pattern and you both go along with it. Maddness

TorroFerney · 12/01/2025 18:40

scandista · 12/01/2025 16:09

And if you died tomorrow would you feel you had lived your life well?

Well she wouldn’t feel anything being dead!

MikeRafone · 12/01/2025 18:42

I can't relate to this but would say-what can others do to help? what type of advice do you think you might need to alter your situation?

It must be very hard but is there a way of breaking the cycle of debt? so you get to the end of the month, then not only get to the end of the month but start paying the debt you're in

TorroFerney · 12/01/2025 18:45

Zone2NorthLondon · 12/01/2025 18:29

You significantly live beyond your means yet go on ££££ holiday by business class. Facade of affluence without the means
Stop the holidays,downscale to a air B&G in uk
Get a second job and address your dysfunctional relationship with money
Your DH has a dysfunctional pattern and you both go along with it. Maddness

Agree, we earn £8k after tax plus perhaps another £700 in interest and have no mortgage or car loans . We’ve been business class one way to Asia and this year going both ways to New York it’s bloody expensive. Unless she means short haul where you can get some good deals.

to that poster- going business class but having to have a second job , do you not see the other people in the lounge at the airport and think this lot are not funding all this by a second job! And doing a second job you don’t need when you could be spending time with your children .

Upstartled · 12/01/2025 18:47

You just never know when the next curve ball is coming. We've been told that we'd start seeing mortgage rates begin to drop again in 2025 and now they expect them to climb back up to 5% again. You can't just cross your fingers and spend to your limit and hope that you'll get a fair wind.

Ger1atricMillennial · 12/01/2025 18:47

The most expensive thing to buy is money.

If your paying for essentials on credit, its a sign you need to get some help. Please make it your focus for this year.

It happens to alot of people, there is no shame in it. If you have good quality clothes/shoes you don't need to buy anything new this year and noone will notice.

There is a terrible YT channel called the Financial Diet. The guy who runs is the anti-christ when it comes to therapy, but he asks the hard questions and you can see where people have tripped up in the past.

Tontostitis · 12/01/2025 18:56

Jollygoodtime09 · 12/01/2025 11:26

We are the same OP. We have several holidays a year. DC have expensive hobbies. A decent sized house. We bring home £7.5k a month. But we have £20k on credit cards. We pay the minimum each month. All on no interest rate offers. We also have a credit card we use and pay off in full each month (we correct avios so we can fly business class). This bill is around £2k a month. I would rather we didn't use it but DH racks it all up. After credit cards, mortgage and bills we are left with around £1.5k a month for food/petrol/social/DC. I've said to my mum a few times in passing that "we can't afford X" to which she replied "you've got loads of money". She doesn't know the truth. I've taken a second job in years gone by, she has never known this. Yes we should pay off the credit card debt and not go on holiday. But life is short and the DC are only young once.

This year we're skiing, I have a holiday with friends abroad, then we're off on a 3 week holiday to USA. None of this will go on credit card. We're not adding to the £20k but we're not making a debt in the balance either

If we had 1 year of no holidays and I took a second job for the whole year then we could clear a hell of a lot of the debt. But DH won't do no holidays and I don't know if I could do a second job for a year (would mean 50hour week, with my FT job)

You are very foolish

AlwaysRight1985 · 12/01/2025 19:00

I'm still half laughing/half crying over the poster who said 'we don't live in an expensive house - over £500k, less than a million' 😂

Viviennemary · 12/01/2025 19:01

You are not poor. You are a spendthrift living beyond your means.

Margorett · 12/01/2025 19:02

MissDeborah · 12/01/2025 11:31

This is insane
How do you enjoy the holidays, just reading this makes me feel sick?

DC are only young once and for me financial security comes way before holidays
What if one of you became ill, died or couldn't work?

I would haul my DH to counselling tbh

Edited

What an awful way to live !

RedToothBrush · 12/01/2025 19:02

Jollygoodtime09 · 12/01/2025 17:07

So much judgement. The cc debt could be anything and not necessarily fruitless spending. I have an SEN child who only leaves the house to go skiing. He learnt for free and loved it. We don't know any 'jones's' , none of our friends ski. It's up to us if we choose to take our DC on holiday/ have multiple holidays/go on holiday knowing we have debt. For my SEN child, a holiday is the only thing that gets him away from the house for a period of time.

We're comfortable with the level of debt and don't stress about it. We're chipping away at it.

Holy shit.

I've heard it all now.

MissDeborah · 12/01/2025 19:03

Margorett · 12/01/2025 19:02

What an awful way to live !

Do you mean me or the PP?

RedToothBrush · 12/01/2025 19:06

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NewYearStillFat · 12/01/2025 19:11

I’m surprised people with a take home of £7.5k are struggling so much with debt. Ours is more or less the same. We have expensive gym memberships, mortgage is around £1300. But we have about £2k left a month after all our regular spending, we spend about £8k on holidays a year and manage to save and overpay the mortgage. The biggest thing I guess is I drive a car we own, paid £10k for 5 years ago. I can’t justify dropping £30k on a new one. DH has a company car which sounds great but costs us about £600pcm on tax - he does 30k miles a year though so it’s essential to his role.

We don’t have credit cards and it’s only been 4 months since we stopped nursery fees.

iamnotalemon · 12/01/2025 19:22

NewYearStillFat · 12/01/2025 19:11

I’m surprised people with a take home of £7.5k are struggling so much with debt. Ours is more or less the same. We have expensive gym memberships, mortgage is around £1300. But we have about £2k left a month after all our regular spending, we spend about £8k on holidays a year and manage to save and overpay the mortgage. The biggest thing I guess is I drive a car we own, paid £10k for 5 years ago. I can’t justify dropping £30k on a new one. DH has a company car which sounds great but costs us about £600pcm on tax - he does 30k miles a year though so it’s essential to his role.

We don’t have credit cards and it’s only been 4 months since we stopped nursery fees.

Bet you feel like you are rolling in it now the nursery fees have stopped! I can't believe the prices of nursery fees.

FedUp2025 · 12/01/2025 19:25

This has got me thinking.

I drive a kia. Have 1 holiday a year within Europe as I don't like flying. (And I don't find a holiday with young child relaxing).
Household Income of about 70k
310k of equity and 16k in savings.
No debt.
I don't think the fancy life appeals to me. I like cheap and cheerful

ShanghaiDiva · 12/01/2025 19:27

Jollygoodtime09 · 12/01/2025 17:07

So much judgement. The cc debt could be anything and not necessarily fruitless spending. I have an SEN child who only leaves the house to go skiing. He learnt for free and loved it. We don't know any 'jones's' , none of our friends ski. It's up to us if we choose to take our DC on holiday/ have multiple holidays/go on holiday knowing we have debt. For my SEN child, a holiday is the only thing that gets him away from the house for a period of time.

We're comfortable with the level of debt and don't stress about it. We're chipping away at it.

But you’re not as in your post you stated you are not making a dent in the £20k balance.

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