Botwatch 83 ! Research shows 99.6% of participants in MLM schemes lose money and much more. From Forever Living to Arbonne and everything in between - all scams

[YouOKHun]

New Fred

None of the FL photos she's shared do much for her except show how much she heavily filters the photos she takes of herself. The black and white one isn't a good pic, and she's used it as a promotional pic too.

Castle has posted another vacuous post in her dressing gown. She’s the CEO of absolutely nothing. She does seem to have renewed energy so I guess she is pushing hard to sell this coaching package thing that I’ve seen a minion of her’s selling.

More alarmingly, and I realise this is off topic and I shouldn’t remark on physical things, Castle needs to stop the fillers now. She doesn’t need them and it looks odd (in the dressing gown post). I just don’t understand why these attractive women distort themselves; it’s a very slippery slope.

I think if FL goes, these bots will jump quick to another MLM, taking as many of their downline with them as they can. Not sure which, maybe JuicePlus or Synergy? I can't for the life of me see the likes of Yawn getting a job.

@definitelynotabot or try to go down the coaching route like Castle? I could see Yawn, Tractor Bot, £22 bot trying to rebrand as NWM coaches rather than suffer the indignity of moving to another MLM. I can particularly see Yawn trying to do this. For some reason I imagine exBBF and 2Jags going to other MLMs, perhaps because they seem to have better relationships with downlines. The likes of headband will go straight to FM, Oriflame or Farmasi (whichever is flavour of the month at the time).

Having a coaching front makes it look like you’ve moved on and it’s more nebulous and easier to obscure the fact you’re kicking about at home or quietly back in a J.O.B. In the case of Yawn not losing face or appearing not to be choosing to “move on” will be the priority. She’s already setting out the groundwork with her simple life/dog sanctuary/pared back life.

I know a lady who was pretty much at the top of BSAH - immediate up line was the top bot - she had an incredible down line. When they folded it her world imploded and she jumped pretty quickly to Temple Spa. The problem is the products are aimed at a different market, £95 for a face cream compared to probably £10-20 on average at BSAH. She's having to really work it now, back to pamper evenings, parties and so on, and I think she's struggling to recreate that immediate success she had with BSAH 15 years ago when she just happened to be right place right time. Sometimes she just comes across as a little too positive about it all and it just smells a bit off.

@PieonaBarm it’s really hard for the “successes” in MLM to accept that it was timing rather than talent that got them fairly speedy success isn’t it? It must be uncomfortable to realise that nothing in NWM is really in their control.

There were quite a few top bots at BSAH who were leaning on their downlines to do their bit so the uplines could qualify for the much anticipated South African trip. Like all MLM when they fold it was really telling how little information or notice any of them had, including the tippy top bots. BSAH tried to keep them on message by dangling some kind of affiliate scheme but in the end they all had to get on FB market place and try and flog product and/or sign up to Oriflame for another rinsing sometime in the future.

When BS was bought by that asset stripper (forgotten the name) in 2023 it was absolutely clear they were going to dump BSAH. A number of MLM critics politely mentioned this, suggesting caution about signing up or staying involved, but of course were told to #bekind.

I’d almost forgotten about Temple Spa. I’m always surprised people in the market for a £95 face cream are drawn to TS (if indeed they are) as there seem to be so many brands to choose from. Perhaps Temple Spa is in every mid-high priced hotel bathroom and business class complimentary airline sponge bag or selling like hot cakes in Harrods as they claim (though I’ve never seen it there)?! Your TS lady is finding out that it’s almost impossible to replicate MLM success in 2024 isn’t she?

@YouOKHun absolutely. Me and another friend regularly dissect her posts, she was struggling for the SA trip at one point and you could tell, COL had obviously hit her downlines and their sales and she started to hammer her own sales which she hadn't really done since pre-Covid. She had her core sales base who would go to her for their regular items but her FB group was fairly inactive, until it became obvious that she wasn't qualifying through her downline alone. Then boom, offers galore.

When they folded BSAH she sold off most stuff she had (there was A LOT) at less than half price. It was obvious how she'd qualified for the SA trip, but at her level she had to be seen to qualify.

Me and Mr Pie have no kids, decent jobs, so a good income. She offered me some TS samples and whilst it would have been nice to try them I refused as I'd never buy from her, not just because MLM, but even I draw the line at £95 for a face cream (tbf I washed my face with plain old Pears bar soap last night 🤣). She jumped too quickly into something which is far too expensive for her previous market, and even her most botted downline didn't follow her.

I had no idea Temple Spa was an MLM. Recently went on a holiday where it was TS products in all the rooms and the on site Spa used their products for massages and facials. The products were lovely but, yes, very expensive!

Christ, those pictures of yawn are shockingly unflattering. I'm amazed she's shared them.

@terrywynne TS has always insisted it isn’t an MLM and the wording these days would be fairly convincing to someone thinking about signing up. It says it’s all based on rewards for sales to real customers but I have definitely had more than one TS person trying to recruit me in the not too distant past.

I have other questions about it. It says it’s 100% cruelty free yet in its parent company (Rhythm & Blue Inc Ltd) accounts on CH it says that it sells its products in China and has done for a while. Unless China has changed its stance on animal testing their trading in China throws up Avon and MAC-style concerns about how free from cruelty a company has to be to call itself cruelty free.

On CH the key performance indicators section of their latest accounts also says their business to consumer trading has taken a hammering which isn’t surprising given the price of it and its relative obscurity.

Castle showing off the rental property that her dad seems to be doing all the work in

her role seems to be walking round filming

Walking around filming and pointing at expensive furnishings and white goods and saying “I want that one” @Spongebobette and then telling her followers how to have a property business just like she does because it’s so simple! All you need is wealthy and over indulgent parents is to sign up to my property biz coaching certificate course to learn 20 easy steps to property millionaire!

Meanwhile Sleaze posted on his FB yesterday and received a bit of pushback. He is doing his usual of telling his followers they’re all suckers and should lead the life of financial freedom he says he has in his hired BMW (hired with current victims’ money). There is a flaw in this method as it doesn’t really get potential victims on side and some previous victims and botwatchers pipe up. He’s being asked where the 3D printed houses are. Good question! The way he answers people reveals what a nasty little fucker he is. He’s so ridiculous that it’s easy to laugh at him but both Wig and Sleaze deserve a comeuppance. They just need to hope that when it happens it doesn’t come from some of the shady people they cosy up to.

My god look at this poor person reaching out to Sleaze

‘In meetings’ my arse

He won't hear from sleaze, he doesn't have the money to buy into the scam despite spending their lives 'helping' others to enjoy their lifestyle.
Odious pair

Just reading sleaze and how people are calling him out. Where is their investment return? Can we see where the money is going etc. How he preys on people in poor countries. Ponzi scheme. And he leaves all the comments up!! He can't even cover his own dirty tracks.
I feel time is running out for them!

Castles rental is going to be on Homes Under the Hammer she posted about it when they bought it

Catching up on Sleaze and Wig…this post comment was so so sad - just shows how they prey on vulnerable but suspect they won’t follow up with this chap as unlikely to get ££ from him.

Having said that, read some way back about a them hooking a vulnerable young person with autism and getting called out for it. Apparently the family had to intervene… just shows how this pair really are pond life.

In other news, seems Sleaze has reunited with his son and met his new grandson. I’d say how lovely but can’t help but feel sorry for them having a charlatan like him for a dad/grandpa!

I saw that Sleaze had a day out with Son of Sleaze @SunflowerVibes and it prompted me to have a look at Sleaze’s input to Son of Sleaze’s posts about his cardiac event a few years ago. Not one comment from Sleaze about legalised murder, about evil NHS staff, or any conspiracy theories about evidence-based medicine. How odd.

Has Uber had to take her dd out of prep school? Or is it just that they're moving?

Nurse has taken time off from social media. I wonder if its all got too much. So much money and time invested in coaching, no interest no matter what she has done to 'attract' clients. Starting and detesting yet another job. The constant positivity to attract success, wealth whatever just hasn't worked. Why? Because it is a pile of rubbish concept which is actually toxic. Hope she has friends and family around who can kindly point this out.

@hurlyburlygirly not sure but she hasn’t sold her house. She’s certainly spinning a lot of plates. She may owe her former spouse a chunk of that house sale too. VAT on school fees in the pipeline. Everyone in FLP will have to tighten their belts at whatever financial level they’re at.

She's been flagging recently I noticed. Her FB group is deathly silent and I noticed she hadn't gained any new members and had lost a few since the 'niche' switch

I can't imagine anyone going through fertility issues being attracted to a coach who uses social media to smugly talk about her own fertility experience, gush about her child, winge about how she hates her job, talk about love island and who provides detailed accounts about how she slept, state of the traffic and her chore routine for the day

Anyone who isn't going through treatment is also unlikely to be delighted about being subjected to minute details of her 'cycle'

I had a horrible dream last night.

Dreamt I had quit my job and was going for a career in FL. Dawning realisation that I wasn't going to make any money as no way would I want to sign anyone up, and I wasn't going to sell enough to live on. It really was a horrible dream and I was pretty glad to be woken up by the pouring rain!

It's going to have to be quite the mental gymnastics if she has as "kids in private school" has been a key part of her FL success story.

Castle needs non stop treats, doesn’t she