Botwatch 83 ! Research shows 99.6% of participants in MLM schemes lose money and much more. From Forever Living to Arbonne and everything in between - all scams

[YouOKHun]

New Fred

@thetemptationofchocolate and @ticktock19 TBH I wouldn’t have the resilience for it either. I know so many rescue places desperate for money and struggling with really negative and thankless situations. It breaks my heart. I’ve been putting animal feed in my food bank donation but should do more. There is the problem of all the lockdown novelty purchases too ☹️

I think Yawn has a romantic idea of drifting around with a trail of adoring creatures following in her wake while everyone tells her how marvellous and caring she is. Much like being in FLP; similar income potential and shit shovelling. As always her motives are questionable.

Meanwhile I keep seeing the same sponsored post from Castle. Apparently she is doing something Never Done Before! She is offering a TOTALLY TRANSPARENT masterclass about how she has built her success. This time she is really sharing how she’s done it! She will be totally transparent!

She’s wasting her time as we can already see straight through her. Nevertheless, in the interests of transparency I have some suggestions for the masterclass contents, if she wants to be truly transparent!

How my parents coughed up hundreds of thousands of pounds so I could position myself as successful within FLP from the off.

How I was economical with the truth (either a sin of commission or omission) about many things, for example owning a “Castle”.

How all of this gave people a false sense of hope and encouraged them to sign up only to discover just how ruthless some of us are prepared to be

How I have muddied the waters about whether I fell or was pushed from FLP

How I ran up huge debts trying to run a planner business and tried to hide the disaster using the Bank of Mum & Dad.

Running an effortless AirBnB business - how you can harness your pensioner parents to do the donkey work while they pay you for the privilege.

How I continue to half-heartedly try my hand at other businesses from logo sweatshirt production to worthless coaching and certificate printing.

Collaboration with other crooks in the NWM world. What I did when I realised they were only sniffing around because they thought my pool of victims was much bigger. How I posted vaguely passive aggressive posts and “victim of other sharks” type posts before rebranding using a Zara jacket, cliched “laughing with salad” type pics and a visit to the parental ATM.

How I exploit my children for SM engagement, their privacy comes after my self promotion. Ditto, how any family event can be harnessed.

How to use emojis, big fonts and exclamation marks to expand your SM reach beyond botwatchers and all five paying customers.

lol...that is perfection @YouOKHun, can we tune in to your presentation instead, it'll be far more useful

And palm your kids off on your parents as often as you can

Oh yes @Spongebobette, good point:

How I achieved success in business and still found time to babysit my mum and dad’s grandchildren with very little notice so they could have an hour to clean the AirBnB. Family time is important! Never lose sight that your (sic) not just a successful business person, your (sic) also the most important person in your family.

If Yawn can't cope with rearranging a flight then the emotional grief you get daily in animal rescue will break her quickly

Exactly, I think she imagines running an animal sanctuary will be a breeze, the animals lazing in the sunshine, maybe the odd request for rehoming and then go and play with animals and then her day is done! She won't have any idea the workload involved and the crap from the public you get, she's only looking at the good things without a clue about how to run a sanctuary. She'll crumble, she's not made of strong stuff.

Yawn will crumble for sure as soon as she no longer has FLP. She must be very worried about where she goes from here. She must know, even if she tries to ignore it, that the NWM good times are over, never to return.

Yawn also has romantic ideas about running a business and believes she has transferable skills from NWM that will enable her to run any business/organisation. I doubt she has ever been near Excel and having spent so long focussed on being a cog in the FLP machine she won’t have any idea at all. That kind of delusion could prove very expensive. She also throws her hands up at the merest challenge that does not immediately give her obvious benefits/recognition, she has zero frustration tolerance. She’s shown herself to be a medium sized fish in a tiny murky MLM pond but without much ability outside it. She can’t lose face and take a JOB either, besides she has no legitimate track record.

Still, dreaming of running an animal sanctuary and sharing that dream is a great way to distract herself and importantly, those downlines.

PS Yawn has studiously avoided responding to the idea that she uses her present time freedom and financial freedom to start a sanctuary on ‘part of her land’ right away!

The animal sanctuary is up there with the glass extension and holiday home....

Castle is really struggling to get engagement in her free Lives let alone any paid for content. If no one can be arsed with the free drivel then it’s dead in the water. She posted last night 20 minutes before the start of it and got a few comments from two or three different people but clearly she is reduced to sitting there with her fingers crossed hoping that people will bother to watch her free live/training whatever. Today she is spamming my FB messenger with an offer of a free rerun of yesterday’s free event which is a desperate first even for her.

How long does it take these people to admit defeat?

Welsh Bot is pitching her patches to a very well known high street chemist today (so she says). I doubt anything will come of that. Even if they liked this rather pointless product they would be doing their due diligence. Her accounts don’t look too pretty. She owes CH two confirmation statements and accounts for her property and FLP companies. Even if she got the high street retailer to take her patches would she be able to manage the costs, what they’d be prepared to pay and how long they’d take to pay. Unlikely. I hope her business partner has deep pockets.

This is Welsh Bot’s equivalent of Yawn’s dog sanctuary dream isn’t it?

Did Welsh Bot ever sell up and move? She never mentioned it but I think someone spotted it on her husbands fb.

Nurse is putting the coaching on hold at the moment so she can concentrate on finishing her book....I'm guessing that is code for her big relaunch has bombed!
Not sure why she thought that narrowing her market would attract more clients than her previous foray into coaching!

Perhaps Nurse’s book is taking her forever to finish because she’s not very good at colouring in between the lines.

@BSintolerant if it’s anything like her Insta stories I’d say she is having trouble with the plot. I can’t remember what the book was supposed to be about? Does she see herself as the next Rhonda Byrne or is it about her “journey” [around the Lidl BOGOFFs]? Or, is it rather like Yawn’s animal sanctuary, an exciting cover story to obscure things suddenly or slowly going tits up as you suspect @DeliaDeetz.

If the book ever appears I’ll be amazed. Has anyone ever read Uber’s book or Fierce’s book? Didn’t Ninja write a book too? The Bodleian
Library staff must be kicking themselves getting lumbered with the Codex Ebnerianus
when they could have had a first edition of Miss Moneybags by Fierce. At least Miss Moneybags isn’t in some forrin language and Nurse’s tome will be a vague approximation of English. The Bodleian really missed a trick there.

Nurse says her coaching had taken a back seat so she can finish her book
She clearly had no clients and the coaching academy she’s paid so much to has probably asked her to think how she can prepare for an influx of people wanting IVF coaching and she’s had the bright idea of finishing writing up her own IVF journey
This will keep her busy for a while (or at least give her something to tell people she’s doing) and will stop her questioning why she parted with so much money for no clients
She’s also trying to manifest a second job which she can do from home which is easier than the job she’s qualified to do. She’s looking for something with minimum effort, basically. Why not resurrect her nail technician business which never really started?

Once you have been suckered by an MLM and have internalised the belief that you can work for a few hours a week and replace a full time salary, you end up chasing that unobtainable life even when your own lived experience proves it’s impossible. Tragic.

And FFS what sort of help is this to anyone????

Can someone please tell yawn to stop doing that lip smacking thing. It's so annoying. She sounds like she's sucking a wurthers constantly 🙄

As a legal deposit library, the Bodleian does have a rather eclectic collection. If you really wanted to read Thomas the Tank engine you could order one of several editions (though you would have to wait a few days for them to find it and get it to Oxford...). Whilst I believe that the rules about depositing have been expanded to cover digital material, I have to assume they don't have to receive a copy of self published books. That would be an inordinate amount of cross! But on the other hand they may be missing out on the occasional gem as there is some good stuff. And I wonder where companies like that belonging to ex bot turned publisher fall?

I can actually answer my own last question. The Bodleian does hold a copy of ex bots book on self publishing and copies of books published by her company (mostly self help and business advice books). It is actually quite fascinating the range of books Bodleian readers can access - I wish I could sit there and call up all sorts of strange and weird books.

Ubers book does not seem to be deposited so I assume they don't take pure self published books.

What a range of knowledge and expertise there is in this thread!!

I’d forgotten about Publisher Bot @terrywynne and there she is, lurking in the Bodleian catalogue. I can even see Osborne Books so that’s another disappointment for the those caught in that MLM. As for Thomas the Tank Engine, someone at the Bodleian can pop across the road to Blackwell’s and pick up a copy (worked in there as a Youth so I can tell them where to find it!).

Anyway, I await Nurse’s book with anticipation but I suspect she just wants to take the summer holiday off with her DS so has to come up with a reason not to post Lives on her Insta. I won’t hold my breath.

Writing a book is the sort of thing Yawn would say she’s planning to do. I wonder if it will be in Spanish? It would definitely belong in the Fantasy section.

After some digging on hubby's account it would seem they sold the barn for 1.25million and brought a 'new project' for 1.1million

Ah, that rings a bell.

I seem to remember it being something like a caravan park/campsite

Yawn says she backpacked across India. 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭

With her trusty yellow case? In a hotel next to an airport? Erm. I think not.

The most she managed was a dusty bus ride to glimpse the Taj Mahal.😭😭😭

Please may I request a clue for Welsh Bot?! Thanks! ☺️

She's brilliant is Yawn. Backpacked 🤣🤣 although she did also get on a coach to a convention centre and she's done a bit of backpedaling in her time, so maybe she's confused.