botwatch 81. The latest thread in a very long series about the deceptions practised by mlms. Unbelievably people are still being hooked in by these schemes where 97 of those who join lose money?

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Thread 81! The scam that keeps on giving! MLM, network marking, social selling or whatever else you want to call it. It rinses you of your money, time and friends for the dream of wealth, which never happens. Why? The business model ensures that only those at the very top of the 'pyramid' stand a chance of wealth, all the rest of us just "pay to play". The dream is a nightmare. Tell your stores here.

Just seen the Total Volume top 20 pics that the FBO page uploaded last night -
Yawn missed the top ten and came in at number 11 so proof there that her diamond team aren't actually doing very well
2jags came in 9th
Yawns ex BFF came in 7th (which I can imagine delighted yawn)
The couple whose surname is the pieces of paper in a book - 5th
A youngish man (first name is well known cat food) was 4th - not sure who is his upline
Uber came in 3rd
Month manbot - 2nd
Bloodsucker 1st

@ticktock19 the 5th placed bot’s husband is quietly doing another job. She’s the one with £22 in her company. There’s no way the current flurry of activity is going to turn things around for FLP, it’s all just noise isn’t it? The top three bots on that list will be OK financially but the rest are kidding themselves.

@YouOKHun crikey, they're hitting the heady heights of success with £22 in the company accounts. What an absolute sham of a company. As you say it's all a deception and I feel so sorry for all the downlines that have been conned in to this. If all of Yawns diamond team are bringing in so much easy monthly income then she'd be a lot higher than 11th.
Yawn has written a load of spiel about collagen this morning - including the amazing line (of what collagen helps) -
"The vessels that transport oxygen round your body". I think she means red blood cells 🙄

Is that a synonyms fail? Like when Joey writes 'from Baby Kangaroo' in Friends?

When Yawn received her prize for being second in nothing, she was waving a bouquet of flowers. There were three blooms. And a bit of tissue paper.

The really fascinating thing about collagen supplements is that they have to be broken down by our gut into amino acids in order to be ingested. The amino acids are then used where an our bodies need them. They are not specifically tagged to repair skin it doesn’t work like that.
Very little research has been done on collagen because it’s naturally occurring in our diet.
Anyone who persistently uses the FL magic boxes to control weight may well have amino acid deficiency ( ie they are just not eating enough). The collagen supplements also contain other nutrients and it’s unclear exactly what,in fact, benefits the skin.

I am amused that yawn actually admitted in her stories that they use people’s details from the ‘prize draw’ as potential new victims

Where have you found the top volume info? I'm struggling to find it.

Thanks 💐💐

If you go on to the 'Forever UK, Ireland, Iceland FBO page' facebook page then they have uploaded numerous photos of the 'winners'

Can you Imagine that every time you desperately needed someone to buy from you, you had to bring out the long elaborate sob story. Yawn sounds very desperate on her insta. At this point we know more about her than l Imagine her own family do.

I do love how someone in Yawns comments on Facebook has put about £8,000 a month must seem like a drop in the ocean to her nowadays !!! 🤣

Thank you. Was looking in wrong place x

How obvious it is that the top ten are almost completely unchanged in years!! How do people not see that they're never going to get up on that stage, even if its tiny.

And being in the top ten doesn't actually mean anything if no ones making much. Leechbot is only there because she hoodwinked the untapped African Market early. Nasty piece she is

Also all that time wasted on a Sunday preparing content to post. It really is an all consuming pastime.
It makes you wonder if head office have threatened sanctions if you don’t keep up the effort.
I know what reaction my boss would get if he asked staff (some of us are self employed) to work on a Sunday.

Not only on a Sunday but also if you're on holiday, or it's Christmas or you're ill .....

A couple of weeks ago we saw Uber, post-surgery, desperately posting like her life depended on it and more recently "positive" bot (or should we call her "knitted headband" bot .... does she wear anything else?!) also churning out the posts immediately after what looks like unexpected/emergency surgery.

No chance of paid sick leave for your recovery!

Hiah. I'm new around here. Is there anywhere I can get a background explanation of what you are all talking about without having to read hundreds of previous posts? Ive heard of mlm and pyramid schemes but what are Bots and Yawns etc? Are you talking about these life coach people that seem to be everywhere? Can you not say for legal reasons? Sorry - I don't do much sm so am a bit naive on this sort of stuff but am interested as your thread seems interesting despite being very cryptic to me.

Oh is knitted headband bot the pbm or is her name positive bot?! All very criptic about her surgery but posting those boxes of product the day after surgery, and how she's glad she has her business so she can be off to recover. Rather than a job where she could actually be off with sick pay, instead of taking pictures of her child with the products delivered. It must have been emergency as a few days before she was posting that she was excited for the afternoon tea with the American.

@Superlambaanana these threads follow the day to day antics of bots - people signed up to MLMs who start to behave in ways that demonstrate they have either set aside their critical thinking or their moral compass or both. They will do anything to try and make MLM work for them, but they are ultimately doomed, even the financially successful ones are now in terminal decline. By following some of the long term bots in various MLMs it’s possibly to see the lies they tell to their recruits about their own success and the lies the MLM companies tell to all the bots. It causes people a lot of financial damage and heartache. Forever Living is a particularly good example of an unethical PS hiding behind product.

We don’t refer to bots by their names but you may find clues in some previous threads, it’s only by reading a few threads you work out who some of the bots are and get a feel for what’s going on with these MLMs, but you don’t need to read all 81 ;)

Coaching scams are everywhere. It’s the perfect product to hide a recruitment device. No need to bottle aloe Vera or shite make up to act as the product, you can just create a coaching method on the back of an old envelope and recruit people to go and coach others with that method, for a fee. There are lots of coaches “specialising” in the network marketing industry, mainly because they couldn’t make NWM actually work for themselves but have identified the desperation and gullibility of others also unable to make it work, so have moved over to scamming them with promises of training that will turn their NWM fortunes around. Often they look successful because they happen to have another income source which they position as income from NWM. Castle is an example of this.

Every year she earned more and more and she rose to £8k a month! And now …. Drumroll …now …. She’s earning virtually nothing living her best life. Yes, Yawn, best to keep things vague.

The top bots are all being much less specific, the other thing many of them are doing is turning off comments on FB so there can be no active disputation. I reckon if you’re using FB for commercial purposes you shouldn’t be able to make statements or imply something that isn’t true or be able to turn off comments. Even better, Meta could enforce their policy banning MLM.

@MaybeItsJustTimeToStop yes, that's the one. She's quite new on our radar but think she might have been referred to as PBM before.

@YouOKHun thanks that helps a bit ! Still all quite bizarre to me but I am quite fascinated by how brazen many people are on SM and IRL and how some of them appear to actually believe their own hype. Desperation to 'be someone' in a lot of cases.

@YouOKHun oh my goodness exactly ! Why if you are vulgar enough to put what you were earning a month , would you only go up to year 4 of a 15 year career 😂 if the useless new victims can’t see that is a major red flag then they are beyond help .

Could I have a clue to knitted headband bot please?

Every year she earned more and more and she rose to £8k a month! And now …. Drumroll …now …. She’s earning virtually nothingliving her best life. Yes, Yawn, best to keep things vague.

Exactly, why stop the bragging at £8000 per month? If you're showing off then why not go the whole hog and say what massive amounts you're earning now? That's because she's not earning anywhere near that amount and her downlines are too stupid to see it...

Yawn is now calling herself an “Academy”. She has obviously been following Castle closely, I wonder if FL will be happy. I’m not on any of her groups so can’t check if she is charging members of her academy.
Also hoping that FL follow this thread😂

@YouOKHun first name female version of ex this morning presenter schofield. Surname security xxxxx or King's xxxxx.

She's been going for 10 years, she's connected to yawn and specsaver, is usually on the Wednesday calls as she share very similar screenpics to yawn, I can't work out if she's in yawns downline or not though.