botwatch 81. The latest thread in a very long series about the deceptions practised by mlms. Unbelievably people are still being hooked in by these schemes where 97 of those who join lose money?

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Thread 81! The scam that keeps on giving! MLM, network marking, social selling or whatever else you want to call it. It rinses you of your money, time and friends for the dream of wealth, which never happens. Why? The business model ensures that only those at the very top of the 'pyramid' stand a chance of wealth, all the rest of us just "pay to play". The dream is a nightmare. Tell your stores here.

Yes, have seen that popping up all over - Mr Messiah just cannot help himself! All the minions piping up like it’s the best thing since sliced bread! Laughable they’re claiming it’s not an MLM… Mrs S (the anti MLM) activist will be doing a live on it tonight so will be worth a watch. She’s such a force to be reckoned with - even with the unfair proceedings she’s facing thanks to their malicious allegations - she’s still focused on calling out all their bull crap - totally awesome woman.

That comment on Weird Willy’s ramblings is glorious.

What happened with Messiah being arrested in Dubai?

Not entirely sure but Messiah was offline for a while and then returned so was perhaps questioned and let off/cautioned. The rumours suggest it was linked to the old Colombian Marching powder as opposed to scamming. As is evident, Dubai is the mlm capital of the world so that side is sadly probably encouraged.

Messiah did recently spend some time bullying a couple of older former ex mlm ladies - charming man!

I wonder if he ended up meeting with Sleaze at all?!

A shame that it didn’t come to anything. He’s so slippery and vile.

@SunflowerVibes yes, he got in trouble for something along those lines. Dubai is happy to be scam central as long as the damage is being done overseas. I hope Messiah’s spot of trouble didn’t cause him to miss Sleaze’s “yacht party” which looked like THE society event in Dubai. Actually, it looked like a pre-Christmas drinks party at Wernham Hogg, only without the style and enthusiasm.

It would seem that Messiah might be using one of his principle TSL/Rem bullies to sell in the UK - name: first name same as singer Stansfield, middle name as in Dean’s ice skating partner and last name; where Amy Winehouse went back to. They are using Royal Mail for mailing product so it is probably in the UK, so I wonder where it’s being made and/or distributed from? Another warehouse belonging to Acti? The UK bot mentioned above claimed they’d be selling in Ireland in a couple of weeks. I assume she means NI because even Messiah surely can’t be bold enough to appear in the Rep of Ireland!

Yawn no matter how much you try to hype it up....you are in a large (and probably cold) tent which looks far from buzzing!

@YouOKHun , yep, completely agree with your assessment of Dubai - my company has an office out there and I’m due to fly out over the summer for first trip but doubt I’d trouble myself otherwise! It’s not really my cuppa and the mlm side does nothing to add to appeal… those frequent identikit yacht parties that Sleaze has been attending just look well, sleazy and depressing!

As for Messiah, hilarious how he’s having to stay at arm’s length from his new venture, sure that’s hurting his ego! Yep, saw that Bot and her presentation was a car crash, she could barely pronounce the ingredients and was just reading from a slip of paper - scraping the barrel…! She seems like an unpleasant one - just get those vibes from her - far to try hard being “real and relatable”!

I was just watching her stories and thinking exactly the same 🤣. Even Bloodsucker has got her coat on

Yawn’s hair is absolutely massive. Maybe it’s all the humidity in the tent as Warwickshire is wet and freezing cold today, perfect marquee weather!

Interesting how Yawn is now positioning Bloodsucker as her mentor, it smacks of performance management from above.

Yep, not the most inviting set up - tent does look cold! Bloodsucker seems to have the charisma of a bat!

The one thing you can say about Bloodsucker is that she practises what she preaches - consistency

her message and ‘training’ has never altered in 20 years

prospect, build a team

And it’s served her well, as well as her expansion into African countries, exploiting those with low incomes absolutely mercilessly

bet she arrived in a new Rangey whereas Yawn can’t afford to run her old one. No wonder Yawn is sucking up to her

Whenever they pan around a “packed and buzzing” event to show the dynamic entrepreneurs in the making I always think they look like a lacklustre bunch, a bit confused, often rather glazed looking or scribbling down the same old soundbites that will do them no good at all. Sometimes they look like they’re mystified by the whole thing. There’s a strong sense that they’re in that tent because it’s their last hope and you can tell that almost all of them are not going to be able to exploit anyone. It’s like a room full of “Nurses”. Yawn description of the tent being “buzzing” isn’t what I’m seeing.

Yes that’s what I see when they show a room full of ‘prospects’ or bots aspiring to be more than the one at the bottom of the pyramid

did you notice Blooducker’s clever way of talking to the poor saps in the room

‘imagine you are all managers’ - plants a seed that that is likely

(clearly none of them in a room is a manager, they are all newbies copying down her words of wisdom and ‘making plans’)

i expect they all went home with homework - to create a goal board to keep them busy dreaming

They must be getting desperate at head office to bring Bloodsucker in. She is FL royalty and hasn’t been that visible over the last few years. Even Yawn gets all of a dither when she’s around.

So correct me if I’m wrong , but Yawn proudly stated on Thursday afternoon that she had finished her working week , yet on Saturday she was out all day regurgitating her usual rubbish in the Tent and then on the Saturday evening she was launching some new saps “Business “ over video call , so that’s a good 12 hours of work !!!

It makes you wonder what she does count as work doesn't it.

Interesting that she's now doing new business launches remotely via screen. It's clearly not worth the time, effort and petrol money to go in person anymore ....and, even if she's still got the white Rangey and could afford the petrol it certainly wouldn't impress anyone parked outside the new FBO's house being so old and tatty.

Yawn's also stopped bringing prospects round to the thatch (or rather the shed with its bot potty annex). I expect there would be too many telltale signs that she is not as loaded as she claims to be, the mangy roof being top among them.

I've not driven past the thatch for a while (I'm not a weird stalker honest, it's just I live nearby and occasionally use that road).

The thatch has needed replacing for a long, long time and I suspect the rest of the exterior is looking tired and desperately in need of some TLC too (and not just by Mr Yawn on his stepladder or Yawn and her French Chic paint, gold leaf and cheap tat either).

Yes @Twentytwentyhindsight I expect you are right. The red flags being:

• Mangy roof
• general shabbiness and bodged DIY indicative of not having the spare cash for a long time to get general repairs done properly
• Small ageing cars in the drive
• glimpses of Mr Yawn in his cupboard working away at his J.O.B or clearly absent from all discussions
• other subtle but clear indicators that what she presents isn’t true: abandoned Spanish course book, abandoned nutrition coursework, cupboards full of FLP, Saxenda prescription on the sideboard, a full booze cupboard, McDonalds packaging in the bin, a pile of final demands on the kitchen table, that kind of thing.

That's exactly what I had in mind @YouOKHun

Don’t forget the sign language course

Law of reaction to response to our posts about the manky thatch?

(Yawn's fb post of the gate to The Thatch, her "little oasis". No glimpse of the rundown thatch though)

The thing is. The stuff she does at head office... does she actually get payment? I suspect not. I reckon she gets a discount on products or a gift. That's why it doesn't feel like work. 🤣🤣

Any training I do is part of my working week. And if I had to work a weekend, I'd at least get TOIL.

Just found weird willy. Oh my days. He is a real gem. Drove past the thatch the other day. It's looking rough to say the least. The white painted walls look awful and the roof is in dreadful condition. Any money made in profit l imagine went on the tax bill to stave of paying the massive 200k owed