How much do you think doctors actually get paid?

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I find it ridiculous for their level of skills. No wonder they’re leaving for Australia / New Zealand

That's the salaried GP's I believe @xogossipgirlxo - so more likely the junior end. Partners take home profits which are typically a lot more. (My GP friend is a partner and take home varies but was £97k last year).

Normal old banger, or Maserati?

I do agree that £50K for an experienced doctor is too low. But that does not meant that £80K is too low. Only in he public sector is it expected that everyone is entitled to an annual pay increase. That doesn’t happen anywhere in society except when people are living off the public purse.

Either stop gaslighting, or back your assertions with read data.

I do wonder if ChatGpt is being put to work by government shills

Based off OP's photo doctors get paid pretty crappy. I recently heard a group of friends on a resteraunt table say "let X pay, she's a doctor now." 😂 Poor girl.

And sorry @ElliF but you sound like an idiot to everyone. 😂 The public definitely support nurses and doctors more than other professions. We aren't all fake COVID clappers.

Lol. The contempt that the NHS had for the public during Covid was palpable. You’re right there.

@ElliF who is "the NHS" ... are you dumb? Do you know members of the public work for the NHS. Imagine people referred to me as "the Lloyds Bank" cuz I work in the dividends department 😂. I'm sure a lot of doctors and nurses died at the beginning of the pandemic. You seriously need to get out more. Bashing doctors and nurses on mumsnet is a real REAL low.

Only in he public sector is it expected that everyone is entitled to an annual pay increase. That doesn’t happen anywhere in society except when people are living off the public purse.

@ElliF Have you ever heard of....the private sector? Have you heard of inflation? Incidentally, you say you don't work, so do you pay into the public purse yourself?

Lol. The contempt that the NHS had for the public during Covid was palpable. You’re right there.

What's it like living on planet bonkers? Personally think MN should have been banned you for the actual fascism on another thread, and now for your outright fucking trolling.

@Vinvertebrate - doesn’t the fact that you said your DH chose his specialty wisely show that it is the exception? How many vacancies are there for consultants and senior registrars for the shortage specialities (often with onerous on-calls). It’s true that there is a variety in medicine for hours, on-calls, private work. Allowing more variation in hours and pay - to encourage retention and recruitment into shortage specialities (including gp, psychiatry, acute medicine) may be a sensible option.

What an extraordinary statement.
The NHS isn’t perfect and neither are all health professionals, but it and they treated hundreds of thousands of ill people and saved many lives during the worst of the pandemic, with many HCPs losing their own lives as a result of their endeavours.
Your opinions are themselves worthy of profound contempt.

We refer to Lloyd’s Bank as a collective, the same way we refer to the NHS as a collective. If it is a cause of friction or embarrassment to some to be associated with the organisation, that is entirely a matter for them. But referring to an organisation, it’s behaviours and it’s actions, is a reference to the people staff within it. The organisation does not waste money, the people making the decisions do. The organisation does not fail to check qualifications, the people within it to. The organisation does not misdiagnose or ignore symptoms, the doctors do. The NHS is the collective. I figured you’d understand that.

If, as many on here do, you are happy to refer to all nurses or all doctors, collectively, and say they are all entitled to and deserve pay rises, without knowing anything about their work practices, competency, integrity, diligence or care for patients - you are going to make a blanket statement about all of them across the board - then referring to ‘the NHS’ can hardly be a crime.

And I have made no reference at all to nurses, not have I ‘bashed’ doctors. I question the blanket statements being made that they all deserve pay rises. Clearly they do not.

Absolutely @namenic and that’s why I included that. But it doesn’t negate from the other points - the debate is far more nuanced than the OP suggests.

No. It shows that he learnt a skill that is currently valued in his work environment.

I think it should depend on what sort of doctor they are.
Hospital doctors on the frontline should be paid most, working long unsociable hours and dealing with all the difficult things they must have to.
GPs get paid WAY too much for sitting at a desk triaging patients and doing referrals.They don't have to deal with half of what the hospital doctors do.
Take covid for example, the frontline hospital doctors were the ones having to work flat out saving lives and witnessing all the heartbreak and trauma of desperately trying to save lives but not always being able to, and the resulting guilt that probably came from that.

Don't even get me started on the ridiculous amount nurses get paid! That is truly criminal. 🙄

This is the issue. The thread and the posters claim all doctors deserve a pay rise, which clearly is not the case. Some do. Arguably if you’ve been working for a decade and have demonstrated competence, a £50K salary is derisory. Arguably an £80K salary is not. This is not a simple thing of all band together and we all deserve more money.

But that’s the way the staff have structured themselves. All doctors know which side the bread is buttered on. None of them kid themselves that it’s harder to be a GP and it’s not worth the extra £50K a year pay rise. They choose what best suits their abilities, and they do so with eyes open.

A) This strike is just junior doctors. Not consultants, not SAS doctors, not GPs. Just junior doctors. So consultant pay doesn’t really come into it, except that it’s obviously not enough of a lure for all of those quitting the profession or moving abroad to work.

B) I honestly don’t think I could do the job a GP does, it’s incredibly hard work. The scope of the work they do is so broad, anything can come through the door and they need to be able to treat it. They take a massive amount of clinical risk (how do you pick out the brain tumour in a sea of migraines/tension headaches without any of the imaging/investigations we take for granted in secondary care?) and are experts in holistic care. I definitely do not agree that they are worth less.

Wages are never about who deserves what though are they, but doctors are highly educated professionals who often work in challenging and stressful roles with a high level of responsibility, they are also perform a role that is essential to society; to me yes I think they should get a wage which reflects this especially as we are facing a staffing crisis which is and will continue to affect patient care and ultimately cost lives.

A) Good to know the rest of the profession has their backs. 👏
B) Maybe that’s why they are so valuable a resource, and on top of that they need business nouse to boot.

Looks like the nurses gave up. I’m guessing they settle for less than 5%. But it’ll be spun by the PR people to make it seem like a win.

I agree Bippety.

Wages are determined by Demand and Supply. The Demand for any worker is the value they produce - difficult to monetise that, but given the high level of qualifications and skill, plus the value we place upon our health and having access to the NHS, and the limited supply of Doctors, their wages should be ‘high’ and probably higher than they are.

The fact the NHS is a sole employer for NHS staff pretty much is a factor which pulls their wages down.

Yes, their wages are above average by a significant margin. It’s hardly surprising when we consider the level of responsibility and skill and training needed.

I find some of the comments that ‘£50k is too low, but £80k isn’t too low’ really odd. On what basis have those posters decided that? Just a random sense of what is okay and what isn’t??

Of course £80k is significantly more than the median wage, but we could also consider that many equally qualified people who have signicant financial value can earn far more than this. Wages aren’t determined by what a survey of Joe Public thinks they should be paid, but by a mixture of market forces and things impacting wages such as how competitive those labour markets are and government legislation such as minimum wages.

The fact we have significant shortages of Doctors and they are leaving is a strong indicator they need to be paid more to retain them. Oh and of course the working conditions need improving. They aren’t the only workers these things apply to. Nurses and teachers are also leaving in droves and need improved working conditions and pay to remain.
The fact that others in other jobs are paid less, doesn’t mean Doctors should be paid less…it’s not a race to the bottom. Wage equality doesn’t exist - we don’t pay all workers the same, but largely Demand and Supply determine those wages. In the private medical sector, the reason Doctors can earn large sums, is because their work raises significant revenue for their employers via fees people pay for their services.

And yes there are inefficiencies in the NHS without a doubt…inefficiencies which we can easily recognise on here, but are extremely difficult to resolve in real life. The NHS undoubtedly has a number of problems, but Doctors being overpaid really doesn’t seem to be one of them.

@ElliF can you not see the salaries on OP's post. Nobody is talking about these crazy high Hollywood salaries. £14/hr is less than I earn with 2 years in a company I still know nothing about. Yeh ofcourse. It's all supply and demand that drives wages but I guess that's what is happening. They are leaving and I don't blame them. Idk how they do it. Think I'd leave the time wasters in the ambulance for 3 days if it was up to me.

Recruit from abroad.
Check their qualifications though.
There should be people in the NHS who are responsible, for things like checking staff are qualified, so you don’t have staff who said they were qualifies 10 years ago who no-one has bothered checking in 10 years. Cos they may have just made it up, and you’ll never know if you don’t check.

Did you misread £24 as £14? Or are you seeing a different graphic to the three at the top of the thread? I certainly do agree that a doctor on £29K is having the piss taken out of him. But the Majority of the posts on this thread have been upwards of £78K. Yes, a doctor on a salary that allows him to collect Universal Credit is clearly abuse by the NHS. But is that true? Is that actually happening? The figures presented by OP and the staff who have posted on here have not mentioned this. You’re the first.

Looks like the nurses gave up.

Or perhaps the Government did. Or perhaps neither has.