How much do you think doctors actually get paid?

[Hayley37888]

I find it ridiculous for their level of skills. No wonder they’re leaving for Australia / New Zealand

Yes. That is what the government have done with £4 billion. Not healthcare staff.

That’s medical students. We are talking about qualified junior doctors. They do not “shadow”, they see patients independently. Yes there is somebody to phone for advice if they need it, but that person is usually supervising 5-6 junior doctors, they are not double-checking every decision.

I honestly think that the term "junior doctor" is half the problem here. It makes them sound like students with no real responsibility.

The thing is on-one cared back in 2008/9. We inflate our money supply and something has to get more expensive. The trillions have to go somewhere. So house prices and the stock market went up. No-on complained and everyone was happy because their home equity was going up and their ISAs and pension pots were going up.

They didn’t see it as inflations of the money supply (depreciation of the pound) because all the other countries were printing money too. They saw it as increasing value of their assets (as opposed to their assets staying the same and being measured in pounds that we’re losing purchasing power.)

It doesn’t really matter if people understand inflation of not. They have spent 15 years ignoring the inflation. What they can’t ignore is the consequences of that inflation. Now they have to pay the piper.

Higher interest rates, falling house prices, a falling stock market, higher food and energy prices, destruction of the service industries, restructuring of small businesses, mass layoffs in larger companies, and a big squeeze on the middle classes.

There will be more and more handouts for the lower rungs on society, because that’s where a good chunk of the middle classes are headed if they choose not to protect themselves. Greater division in society.

We can always blame Putin though.

Anyways, that’s a different issue. Most people on this thread don’t understand the link between the economy and their pay packets, and they aren’t interested.

Yep I’d agree with that. The North American terms are much better: intern, resident and fellow. Makes it clear they are qualified doctors.

Yes.

Yes. But would the NHS adopt terminology from abroad? Or would it be looked down upon with derision and distain?

I'm an NHS consultant.

My pay has been frozen to the effect of a 30% real terms cut over the last 15 years.

My pension has been detrimentally changed twice , some estimates are to the tune of £1m over a career and retirement.

Those weren't the conditions advertised when I started the path to medical school and weren't even the situation when I qualified in 2005.

So I'll be striking to have both put right.

I complained, because as a junior doctor I had to move once having left uni and bought a house, then had to move again, 3 years later and sell it for a £30k loss...

Many of us have worked overseas, or originally come from overseas, or have close working relationships with overseas work groups/professional organisations. You seem to have some very weird ideas about UK medicine…

I've been a doctor for 14 years, in A&E training, work 45 hours a week, mostly evenings weekends and nights and I make about £73000

@OnOldOlympus That is appalling and just shows you how little respect this society has for Doctors. Unfortunately it seems like private healthcare is now the only solution. You should really be earning 200k mimimum.

Unfortunately a system that devalues Doctor's like this needs to be abolished.

How much of a pay rise could you get is you paid staff with it instead of feeding it into the incinerators for heating?

An example of emotive language so absurd as to defeat its object.

feeding it into the incinerators for heating. Get over yourself.

One was having Honda Jazz, other Kia Rio 😂

@arghtriffid Absolutely right.

Although on second thoughts, if you are saying that doctors poor experience justifies getting rid the the NHS, I disagree.

Maybe if he’s misbehaving at school, acting up or acting inappropriately you need to deal with those issues at home.

Outside of that, you obviously know that you can find out exactly what happened just by asking the school. Why haven’t you done that before venting on MN?

You can’t very wall ask MN for sympathy or advice without providing the whole story. At the moment you’re playing ‘he said’ with a 4yo. It’s a simple question at the door, or a telephone call. MN doesn’t know what happened but I’m betting the school does.

This makes zero sense….

This is the typical salary of a doctor in london working 40h weeks after 9 years of uni at cambridge and a phd. This includes ‘London weighting’

(monthly salary)

For reference, this is only £200 more than doctors were paid for the same job 25 years ago AND they were provided with free hospital accommodation AND no tuition fees.

When my DS is finished with his residency he will be making around $400k gross PA, in the US. Annual salary as a resident (learning his specialty, in a hospital setting, after medical school) is approx $60k.

So s/he is 28: has spent six years studying and is still in training. It costs around £250,000 to train a doctor: that's £250k we've invested in her/him.

Look again in 5-8 years when s/he has attained consultant level and can add some private work to the portfolio. And they can keep working at that level of pay through to retirement with the job satisfaction that comes from knowing they're doing something positive for society. It's a long-term package. The early years are hard, the pay off comes later.

They pay back £100-150k in student loan debt. I guess that includes the living part of the loan as well, but even on just £50k they will pay back £75-80k of that 190k (international fees start at £38k pa so I can only assume that's a minimum of cost price)

That's based on five years study. If they intercalate that's a much cheaper year for actual study costs in most cases.