So it’s going to work out cheaper to run petrol/diesel cars than it is electric

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My engineer DP predicted this exact scenario when he replaced our old petrol/diesel cars with newer petrol/diesel cars. Plus there is now a supply issue with batteries which is going to cause a huge issue down the line.

Honestly it’s a scandal that these new cars are hugely expensive. People have locked into lease/hire agreements that are costing a fortune per month and now running the bloody things are going to be exorbitant.

Op didn’t come back then?

I wonder if the dh and Dps of the mumenetters that love to announce ‘well my Dp/DH is <insert job title> and says <insert something entirely wrong or irrelevant>‘ knows their partners do this.

i do often wonder if anything was said by the men at all. Or is just women that think it sounds more feasible if they claim the man in their life said it.

It's just a 'thank you, random man' situation innit!

Those that top up during the day at work will soon find that this perk (should it be taxed?) is withdrawn.

I agree with a PP if there is so much energy available at night everyone should be able to make use of cheaper energy, not just those with electric cars.

People that need 24/7 heating/electricity because of disability should not be paying more in the night than those who have a EV. If this makes me 'judgey' then I will take it, yes I judge they people think they should have cheap electricity to power a vehicle when people on breathing machines/requiring heating pay more. But then that is Tory Britain for you.

I have a fuel card for business and private use. I can use it at public charge points. So yes I already pay tax on it. But the hybrid I drive (company vehicle) and fuel card BIK is much lower than when I had petrol or diesel. why would it be withdrawn. Because you think it should?

Do you really believe the average employed person gets away with dodging loads on tax? Is this really a huge concern for you?

So much hate for EVs when they are cleaner and less-polluting - no-one has to drive one (yet) but those who do are benefitting everyone! We all breathe less toxic air as a result, how is that not a good thing? Are people just scared of what is unfaniliar (I get the cost of purchase issue but really, many people with equally expensive ICE cars seem to think like this too).

FFS, nobody thinks they should have cheaper electricity for their EV!!! As has been explained, there is very little demand for electricity overnight which is why they sell it at a cheaper rate. EV drivers are just one of the few areas of the market that can actually make use of it at what is a pretty inconvenient time for most people.

And I take great offence at being lumped with the Tories. I am far from. Other countries with more centre & left wing governments than ours have far more generous EV 'perks' than there are in the U.K. You're linking two unconnected things.

Agree 🤣😂🤣

When people do the comparison do they also take into account the initial cost of the car or are most people leasing or doing PCP?

My diesel car can do around 700 miles on a tank and I plan to keep it another 5 years minimum but if I was to replace it now I find a lot of the electric cars are very expensive so would have to decide how much I would save in petrol/diesel along with the initial outlay of the car as I buy them outright.

This is what annoys me about this country (or maybe it's just life everywhere) that if you have the money to buy or lease an electric car then your use of that car will be subsidised by the rest of rest - who would love to be able to afford a new and efficient car...but can't afford one

Discussion about a subject is not 'hate'. How immature.

Unfortunately it is almost impossible to have a discussion anymore if your view is different to the prevailing acceptable one. No nuance, no discussion just throwing insults because someone dare challenge what is perceived as acceptable.

I own my petrol/ diesel car outright. Tax is minimal and insurance is ok.
With the current situation of raising costs all round, I rather stick with my car. Adding an extra £100- £200 in leasing or loan repayments isn't an option. I currently pay £200.- / month for my car (= petrol / Diesel, insurance & tax).

I'm also not convinced an electric.car is that much better for the environment. Firstly it does have to be produced whilst the old one is scrapped. Batteries are NOT environmentally friendly nor the other materials used to produce the car ... maybe using something that is already here is better in the short to mid term than buying new every 3- 5 years...

Once technology can provide me with an electric car with a range of 600+ miles and a solution to the battery problem, I'll definitely buy one!

Have to agree, are we going to have an obsolete car mountain

Also we can't produce/import enough electricity as it is for the UK and there are threats of blackouts

Boo hiss those wicked EVs

I’ve had an EV since Feb this year, just a small, cheap 2nd hand one. I’ve not been able to get an EV tariff at all (or cheaper vehicle insurance either).

I’m with EDF and can’t even get them to provide me with a smart meter (I’ve been trying for 1.5 years). I don’t have Economy 7 and pay just under 30p per kWh.

We will be getting an EV once the charging times and the range is equivalent to our current cars, it will come i think. At some point you'll be able to charge up in 10 mins (and even that is much longer than filling it with petrol) and the range will improve for the more basic and cheaper cars.

But for now it doesnt work for us

What utter twaddle.

My EV costs £3 to fully charge overnight on an EV tariff and I also benefit from using the 7p/kwh rate for everything overnight.

Soon I'll also be able to fill up my battery storage and run the house solely on 7p/kwh when I get solar and battery installed. This wouldn't be possible if I didn't have an EV as these rates are only available for EV users.

For a cost purchase comparison it costs me £50 more than my diesel old car and saves me £250 @ month in fuel. And that's at 2019 fuel rates!! More like £400 now.

Stop believing the bollocks put out by the oil companies.

@bellac11 our tesla charges in 10 minutes on the super fast network and had a range of over 300 miles.

Granted the Zoe isn't quite as impressive but it still has rapid charge and a good range of over 200 miles for a decent price.

You don't have to have an EV to go on these tariffs. If you have solar panels and a battery you can benefit from octopus go because you fill your battery at night when it's cheap and then use it during the day. Of course some people can't afford a battery so won't be able to do this. But those that do have a battery are helping everyone by taking their energy at a time of low demand.

We don't have different rates as it wasn't available when we our fixed rate run out.

Despite this it is still cheaper for us to charge both cars at home than put petrol or diesel in for the same mileage. Based on the forecasts for our energy company it will continue to remain less to charge at home.

It will be roughly the same cost if we charged using a super fast charger in the motorway, but we don't do this very often. Our normal driving means charging at home.

For a cost purchase comparison it costs me £50 more than my diesel old car and saves me £250 @ month in fuel

A year ago I bought a small 2 YO petrol car for £8k. The same car in the electric version is NINETEEN THOUSAND POUNDS.

I only do about 6000 miles a year. By my calculations, even if the electricity was free, it would take me about 12 years to break even compared with the cost of running a petrol car. Even if I said 10 years to account for lower road tax and servicing costs, it still doesn't go anywhere near making sense economically for me any time soon.

My current plan is to keep my little petrol car for another 10-15 years and when it's ready for the great scrapyard in the sky, hope there's a decent scrappage deal on offer to make an electric car more affordable to me.

We've got two EVs. My dh charges for free at work. And I charge mine at Tesco at a pod point. Also for free.

This. The cost to upgrade to a EV car far outweighs any benefits to me.

@bellac11 immature is preferring to destroy our only life support system and pollute the air we breathe because “boo hoo, it’s too hard to make positive changes”. Every EV thread goes this way. THAT is immature. And the tone of those discussions with the same old names over and over is never ‘genuine’ but loaded, don’t be so coy.

Im glad you were able to come along and disprove my view that people are immature in discussions like this..... oh wait