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MLM Bot Watch 51: the Cult of multilevel marketing

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BSintolerant · 22/05/2019 18:17

Lies, creative accounting and the Law of Reaction. Network marketers, we’re onto you - and so is the BBC:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p076n2hg

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Jigsawpuzzle · 25/05/2019 17:15

If FL income dries up and they can’t get J.O.B.S will they have to do a habitual residency test before they can claim benefits. They probably still get child benefit but they will need to watch NI contributions . My DD and her DH pay voluntary contributions , it is only a few £ a week .

Whiterangey · 25/05/2019 17:58

Their parents have sold their home to go do retirement type stuff. I'm guessing it's them funding the private school. Castle needs to sell her house and can't afford to rent in Spain anymore.

Sis has had to sell her home to pay the charges against her doll company. Says she has a new build home all paid for and ready to move in but Castle said about giving her money for a deposit.

No idea about Bruv.

Sis and Bruv are definitely spending much more than they earn on FLP,I think their parents have been bailing them out. Sis husband has a J.O.B.

It's very possible that Castle isn't on track for a cheque this year and might not make it to 5000cc's. With a huge loan meaning to be paid back I can't see how she can carry on much longer. Things suddenly changed after Stockholm. I can't help wondering if she thought she was going to get a bigger cheque, about the same as last year.

We know bots are useless at budgeting and she may have been relying on that cheque desperately to keep afloat.

Twentytwentyhindsight · 25/05/2019 18:12

@Whiterangey - what need is there for maths and budgeting, when all you have to do is touch your business and visualise the cheque for the universe to manifest?

Fables1003 · 25/05/2019 20:09

Due to Brexit and the PM leaving, the Valentus article will not feature this weekend. Look out for it next Sunday.

Ohmygoodness101 · 25/05/2019 21:09

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MoominMantra · 25/05/2019 21:13

Why can't castle afford to pay her own private school fees? In the years when she was earning so much, did she not save?

gotmychocolateimgood · 25/05/2019 21:50

Castle was too busy spending on first class flights and renovating her house (not the castle, the one she can't now sell). I don't think she saved much. Plus subbing her sad siblings. I'm intrigued to see what she does next!

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Teddy1970 · 25/05/2019 23:28

To be fair, Castle's parents put their property on the market when Castle was doing very well in FL so Castle's nose diving income was unlikely to be the reason for them selling, that's not to say the won't help them out now though.

Jonsey32 · 26/05/2019 01:11

There’s a lot of surmising going on here and presenting guesses as fact which then people run with.
There’s nothing anywhere that proves the parents are paying for the school so that’s not a fact.
There’s nothing to say the parents had to sell their house to bail the kids out, so that’s not a fact.
Castle never said she gave a deposit to her sister , she just said she’s helped someone with a deposit so it’s not a fact that it was her sister.

If we start writing our own narrative isn’t that just making up bullshit?

Whiterangey · 26/05/2019 02:37

The parents sold their house to do bucket list stuff. They have helped Sis out financially with her doll business. They bought shares.

Given the lifestyle shifts and Bruv lead and that neither of them are earning, someone must be paying for their lifestyle. Sis husband is working but nothing that could pay for regular Dubai trips. He wouldn't travel there for work either.

Sunshineandshowers81 · 26/05/2019 08:04

Agree no evidence at all that castle isn't paying her own school fees. Is castle the new 'yawn' to make things up about now her profile is private.

UnapologeticallyUnhinged · 26/05/2019 08:29

Talking of podcasts, I was hanging washing out yesterday and heard my neighbour in her garden attempting to pitch Body Shop at Home to her friend. It was absolute cringe.
coincidentally, my kitchen door is directly next to where they were sitting and I thought it a good time to let some fresh air in and catch up with the ScamWow podcast (the doterra/YL ep) whilst I did the dishes. I do love those bluetooth speakers for phones, don't you? The volume can go up pretty loud!

Teddy1970 · 26/05/2019 08:36

Exactly, there is quite a bit of guessing going on here! All I do know is that Castle's parents put the property on the market sometime in 2016/17.

BSintolerant · 26/05/2019 08:47

I agree with Jonsey. It’s impossible to know the ins and outs of someone else’s finances. For all we know bots’ ill gotten gains could’ve been invested wisely or saved.

Companies House and social media only show part of the story. There’s been a lot of hype stirred up in previous posts by people who don’t understand how a directors loan works. Thankfully someone else explained how they do work - I can’t recall who it was though but it was a recent post.

We do know that Yawn didn’t get a cheque this year and she didn’t get one last year.

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ClubSandwich · 26/05/2019 08:52

Not sure if this one has been asked before so apologies if so!

Just seen a sponsored ad on my Facebook for Perfume24, some of the comments from the page indicate you can become a rep and earn commission. Is this one an MLM? Not heard of it before

DoraExplorer99 · 26/05/2019 09:13

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OhMyGodTheyKilledKenny · 26/05/2019 09:37

I also agree with Jonesy that things are being posted about situations that we don't know are the truth, just speculation.

What we do know is that there's something strange going on in FL, especially since Stockholm....Yawn has gone private in a business that relies on putting yourself out there on social media, Bruv has virtually disappeared since hobgate (not even seen him linked to very often on his family's posts), Castle has moved back from the Canaries after a very short period of time, they seem to be selling houses/buying houses/taking houses back off the market and bots seem to be posting far less on the whole.

fromdownwest · 26/05/2019 11:22

I agree on financial speculation not being helpful to the focus of this thread.

What is helpful, is that a family who were living and breathing FL, have stepped back. This is the old poster girl of FL, and if people can see how she has been treated and how her income has fallen, then that can only reinforce the view that this is not a sustainable business.

If we stick with facts and not speculation, it gives this thread the credibility it deserves.

Jigsawpuzzle · 26/05/2019 13:49

Just been looking at some of various bots old FB photos to see if some of the friends are still in the bizniz.
Some have not posted for some time
Some have no bizniz type posts
Some also show last real J.O.B in the 20th century or early 2000s
Unemployed/Unemployable springs to mind.

FranceTeam · 26/05/2019 15:59

To be fair to people speculating, please remember these bots all describe themselves as public figures, leading business people and mentors and entrepreneurs. They portrayed a lavish lifestyle and claimed to be earning millions. They have lived their lives in public and shared everything about their bonuses and earnings on public forums.

So you can’t then expect people to notice the changes in their postings and not speculate about what is going on.

BSintolerant · 26/05/2019 15:59

Are there any real business owners / managers reading this thread? If so, would you consider employing someone who had been involved with MLM?

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 26/05/2019 16:39

Someone's bribed got Salon to do a review of the TS Shite eye cream. Looks remarkably like an eye before and after a hefty load of concealer but I'm sure it's the magic CBD really.
Cue a load of bots requesting samples. Which they have to pay for at £11 a pop. Messiah may be a weapons-grade twat but he's definitely not stupid.

DownThePan · 26/05/2019 16:51

How many samples does £11 buy? Sounds pricey!

Jigsawpuzzle · 26/05/2019 17:26

The cynic in me suspects Uber is looking for fresh meat. Why would you ask for a yoga guru when she does gym and has a personal trainer, this info would be readily available .
She wants to check if there is any new kids on the block.

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