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MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?

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Whiterangey · 27/06/2018 19:38

Are charities being used by MLMer's to gain CC's, gain new leads, and get rid of stock?

Here is an example of a top Forever Living Business Owner in the UK taking advantage of a charity.

It may look like she is doing something good for the charity but she isn't. The charity will be getting 20% of profits. The business owner, the current UK number 2 in Forever Living, who recently picked up a $420,000 cheque at the Forever Living global rally in Dallas is just getting her Case Credits (CC's) up, and hoping to get new leads to sign up under her.

For everything that she sold Forever Living will have taking the biggest cut, then the business owners upline will have taken a cut, and then the business owner herself. Her profit will be very small and then she was only going to give away to the charity 20% of that. It could be as little as £10, probably a lot less, despite the members of the group spending hundreds of pounds with her. I hope she had the decency to at least add to it. For a 'charity night' where someone who has received multi-million dollars in cheques, and received $420k two months ago you'd expect at least 3 figures to be donated. 20% of her profits from that night will have been ridiculously small.

The charity will be getting even less as you can see she is running special offers which will come out of her profit, reducing the amount available to the charity even more.

As you can see in one of the screenshots someone in the local area of the charity attempted to warn the charity that the business owners motives may not be as charitable as it seems and the business owner wants to take the discussion away from public view, and then deleted the reply instead of giving a reply to show that the poster was wrong. She can't show the poster is wrong as the poster is right so instead chose to make it all go away.

The screenshot of a slide is one used by someone in the business owners downline, who correctly refers to the charity night as 'a launch' which is what it was, it wasn't for charity, it was for the business owner to sell her products and hopefully get some new recruits to her business.

The same business owner last year set up a justgiving page for donations to make up 'Positive Packs' to give to those suffering with breast cancer.

"The cost is 20 pounds which is non profit making and the pack value is worth far more. This will fund a Positive Pack containing Forever Toothgel, Aloe lips, Ever Shield Deodorant, fast break bar and some woolly socks and to every pack I will personally add a heat lotion, an aloe gelly and a herbal blossom tea sachet and an aloe to go."

So the donations will be used by the business owner to buy the items through her own account where she will make a profit from receiving a percentage of what is spent. She will also receive case credits from that. The case credits she received from sending out these Positive Packs will have gone towards her getting the $420k cheque in Dallas in April. So non-profit is not true as the business owner will be profiting in two ways.

The items can also be bought for a LOT less elsewhere, a tube of toothpaste can cost £1 from a supermarket, a stick of deodorant the same. I also wouldn't call toothpaste and deodorant something that anyone pampers themselves with, they are necessities.

The business owner will have used Forever Living products in the bags despite the recipients getting a lot less, and no luxury items, because she benefited herself from doing so. She also would have been able to, and did, use the Positive Packs to advertise Forever Living Products, and at least some of them were given out at a big presentation where the business owner would have been able to present her business opportunity there, some of whom are very vulnerable.

MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 16/08/2018 22:09

That's sick. That's a children's holiday they've cancelled, it's actually disgusting.

Spongebobette · 16/08/2018 22:09

Not nice at all and I hope it was no one on these threads.

Maranello4 · 16/08/2018 22:17

How would someone else have cancelled it?? Is this identity fraud?

Really horrible regardless :(

CatherineCookson · 16/08/2018 22:20

How can someone cancel a holiday this way (ie not their holiday to cancel?) - surely if it was booked online it can only be cancelled online (according to TUI)? Seems very odd - especially having to pay extra to rebook it?

ArbunneHun · 16/08/2018 22:23

It would be quite a difficult thing to do. I’m assuming she booked online, in which case you’d need all of the account details and the booking reference. From the sound of her post, the cancellation was done online - without all of her registration details, email address, booking ref etc, that would be extremely difficult - if not impossible. I know that sophisticated fraudsters can find ways to do this kind of thing, but not people who don’t know how to trick their ways through systems designed to prevent this kind of thing.

It’s either someone very close to her who has loads of personal details, a practised scammer or... a play for sympathy?

I know she’s made a lot of enemies, but this is just a bit odd.

BangingOn · 16/08/2018 22:35

I wonder whether she read on here where it was suggested as a joke and took inspiration.

NynaeveSedai · 16/08/2018 22:37

Could she have paid a deposit only and not have the money for the balance so made this up to save face?

ArbunneHun · 16/08/2018 22:51

I don’t know. It’s just odd. It’s not like anyone could just go to the website, put in her name and press the cancel button. It’s not that easy. You need all sorts of details, and if someone did manage it, then it’s effectively a breach of Tui’s security - possibly of GDPR - and they sure as hell shouldn’t be charging her to rebook. They should be paying her compensation.

BangingOn · 16/08/2018 23:04

Actually, thinking about our booking with TUI when we travelled with them earlier in the year, to log in and view/amend the booking you just needed the surname of the lead passenger, the booking reference number and the departure date.

ArbunneHun · 16/08/2018 23:07

Oh FFS... just read through the comments: she posted the bloody booking reference online. Ok, yes cancelling someone’s holiday is a really low, mean thing to do. But how can you be so stupid as to post the booking reference on a completely open FB profile? That’s just idiotic.

I take it all back: it would be really easy to cancel her holiday. She made it incredibly easy for anyone to access her booking .

cozietoesie · 16/08/2018 23:17

I imagine that, regardless of the circumstances, the company's IT and fraud people are on the case.

ArbunneHun · 16/08/2018 23:19

If she made her booking ref & other personal details public, she has less of a case.

AfternoonTeaIsLovely · 16/08/2018 23:19

Over on AIBU, the group was to do with 'Worcester Women'....

MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
Paddy1234 · 16/08/2018 23:23

For the children's sake I am glad it has been rebooked though

Paddy1234 · 16/08/2018 23:28

Why did she up the cupcakes - she was genuinely talented. A fast buck I suppose

ArbunneHun · 17/08/2018 06:24

Not making enough money fast enough. Plus, once you have a profile and enough followers s on social media you become a recruitment target for MLM - ready made downline of people who already trust/admire you. They come at you with big promises...

ArbunneHun · 17/08/2018 07:07

I’m shocked: it would appear that the Total Shite crew are infiltrating other MLM group chats etc and then trying to poach people! I KNOW! We all thought that MLM was such an honourable industry...

Rumour has it that there are cash incentives available if you bring enough of your downline with you.

Apparently Valentus reps are one of the main targets, being both greedy and guilliableand therefore perfect fodder for Messiah/Mint choc chip “wellness” shakes.

moose23ishungry · 17/08/2018 08:44

Interesting article - husband apparently killed his wife due to jealousy over her new mlm "career".

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6069607/Was-Colorado-killer-husband-jealous-pregnant-wifes-new-career.html

OhMyGodTheyKilledKenny · 17/08/2018 10:26

Oh my goodness, I've just read that article.

Knowing what we know from survivors of MLM it makes you wonder about what the financial reality was. Social media shows one thing but the truth behind it is something else.

Spongebobette · 17/08/2018 10:47

I've just read it.

What a terrible tragedy.

I wonder if she had got them into huge debt through her MLM then he confronted her about it? I suppose it will all come out. It's desperately sad, those poor children.

fitgirl26 · 17/08/2018 12:48

"Dont be dying before your dead" Words of wisdom from Wig 'n' Sleaze #powercouple
If they want to be seen as less of a joke then sorting out the grammar and punctuation in their "inspirational quotes" would be a start.

Spongebobette · 17/08/2018 14:10

Or not mixing sheep and hamster metaphors!!

BSintolerant · 17/08/2018 16:20

Very interesting article, as are the top rated comments. How very sad.

Tizzlebizzle · 17/08/2018 17:30

I just read the article about the tragic murder. Those poor girls. In it it said the family were declared bankrupt in 2015. I just looked at her Instagram and in 2015 she was doing Younique.

She's just returned from a weekend in Arizona with Le-Vel and the article says how much her work was taking her away from home.

I can't help but feel MLM has played a part in whatever terrible circumstances have led to this tragedy.

Whiterangey · 17/08/2018 17:53

I don't think sacked did get her holiday cancelled, I think it would be impossible to do. Plus, if it was online, she would have received an email straightaway. I imagine she had to make an account to book the holiday in the first place, we had to when we booked our recent holiday. To make payments on it we had to log in and everything like that.

Plus, if that actually did happen, i'm fairly certain that they would have made it right somehow. It would also be a criminal offence. She could find out no information with an IP address, just a general area, TUI can only find out the same. The only people who can get the IP address from TUI and find the person would be the Police. Why go to CAB over a criminal matter? They can't help. I'm guessing she either lost a portion of the money, or the whole lot, given it's not long until the holiday, that would be theft or fraud or whatever, a criminal offence.

I don't think this was about getting money from people via gofundme, I think this was more about trying to get more people involved in her bizniz, she mentions about how instead of giving her money people should try her 'awesome products' instead.

Yup, you need an account to make changes to your holiday, I just had a look www.tui.co.uk/destinations/your-account/login if someone cancelled her holiday they would need a login and password.

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