MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?

[Whiterangey]

Are charities being used by MLMer's to gain CC's, gain new leads, and get rid of stock?

Here is an example of a top Forever Living Business Owner in the UK taking advantage of a charity.

It may look like she is doing something good for the charity but she isn't. The charity will be getting 20% of profits. The business owner, the current UK number 2 in Forever Living, who recently picked up a $420,000 cheque at the Forever Living global rally in Dallas is just getting her Case Credits (CC's) up, and hoping to get new leads to sign up under her.

For everything that she sold Forever Living will have taking the biggest cut, then the business owners upline will have taken a cut, and then the business owner herself. Her profit will be very small and then she was only going to give away to the charity 20% of that. It could be as little as £10, probably a lot less, despite the members of the group spending hundreds of pounds with her. I hope she had the decency to at least add to it. For a 'charity night' where someone who has received multi-million dollars in cheques, and received $420k two months ago you'd expect at least 3 figures to be donated. 20% of her profits from that night will have been ridiculously small.

The charity will be getting even less as you can see she is running special offers which will come out of her profit, reducing the amount available to the charity even more.

As you can see in one of the screenshots someone in the local area of the charity attempted to warn the charity that the business owners motives may not be as charitable as it seems and the business owner wants to take the discussion away from public view, and then deleted the reply instead of giving a reply to show that the poster was wrong. She can't show the poster is wrong as the poster is right so instead chose to make it all go away.

The screenshot of a slide is one used by someone in the business owners downline, who correctly refers to the charity night as 'a launch' which is what it was, it wasn't for charity, it was for the business owner to sell her products and hopefully get some new recruits to her business.

The same business owner last year set up a justgiving page for donations to make up 'Positive Packs' to give to those suffering with breast cancer.

"The cost is 20 pounds which is non profit making and the pack value is worth far more. This will fund a Positive Pack containing Forever Toothgel, Aloe lips, Ever Shield Deodorant, fast break bar and some woolly socks and to every pack I will personally add a heat lotion, an aloe gelly and a herbal blossom tea sachet and an aloe to go."

So the donations will be used by the business owner to buy the items through her own account where she will make a profit from receiving a percentage of what is spent. She will also receive case credits from that. The case credits she received from sending out these Positive Packs will have gone towards her getting the $420k cheque in Dallas in April. So non-profit is not true as the business owner will be profiting in two ways.

The items can also be bought for a LOT less elsewhere, a tube of toothpaste can cost £1 from a supermarket, a stick of deodorant the same. I also wouldn't call toothpaste and deodorant something that anyone pampers themselves with, they are necessities.

The business owner will have used Forever Living products in the bags despite the recipients getting a lot less, and no luxury items, because she benefited herself from doing so. She also would have been able to, and did, use the Positive Packs to advertise Forever Living Products, and at least some of them were given out at a big presentation where the business owner would have been able to present her business opportunity there, some of whom are very vulnerable.

I'm worried about that kitten too.There were posts galore about him and then nothing.

The way she thought the dogs had accepted him in such a short space of time was very concerning.

Fret not. Cat is on Instagram and seems pretty happy and a bit of a character. 😁

Phew!

I hated the way she was like "I want a cat", was turned down by a rehoming charity yet 2 minutes later had a cat. Also the fact the poor cat had apparently come from a home that had dogs that had terrorised it.

Just seen an old school friend of mine who lives in US post about her ongoing treatment for cancer and how she is going to run a marathon in October to fundraise.
The first comment she got from one of her friends was:
I’d love to help with fundraising! Let me know if you’d like to set up a Stella & Dot fundraising style session! I’ll donate 20% of sale towards your cause!!
Total shark. Makes me so angry. Grrr.

What is it with bots and that instant gratification with pets?

Broke's ex recently posted about impulse buying a puppy, and admitting in the same breath that she hasn't got a clue about dogs...

All the bots in our area have dogs. I think it's to show off their working from home status. People who work full time in office jobs can rarely have a dog, but when you're a bossbabe you can have babies, puppies, kittens...a whole menagerie because you can always be there for them.

I think it may also be boredom. At home all day for the most part doing nothing, when your kids are at school it's nice to have some company.

Yawn doesn't seem to do a lot with her husband, they are meant to be business partners but they are never together when Yawn works her business. While at home it's always just her working the business, selfies of her, never of them together. I think she is really lonely. I think Bestie has probably got a job, a proper job as the amount she earns from Forever won't be enough to keep those boys at private school and put food on the table.

Dogs and cats are company, I think that is why Yawn has so many, I think she is lonely. No real friends other than Bestie, she only has people she has used for money.

Is it tru that a new FL Manager will have a baseline income of £2000 a month? That’s what Yawn is claiming

@Doratheexplorer

I've been spending the past 30 minutes reporting people for using personal accounts for business, doubt facebook will do anything, but if they did it would make a huge difference as they would have to switch to a business page which is then harder to 'network' with.

Could save a victim or two if anyone cares to do the same.

What bots do with their personal accounts is against facebook t&c's regarding use of a personal account.

@Spongebobette - my OH 'made manager' in June 2013. At the time, FLP were equating this to 'an income' of £800- £2,000 a month.

In reality, since then, her monthly income reached £800 twice, with much optimistic ignoring of her expenses.

As she has been extremely secretive about her accounts, all I have had to go on is her tax returns, which, expenses passed on to me taken into account, show she was clearing less than £500 a month (and I'm being generous).

I.e. a third of minimum wage- well worth crowing over my mother's death for!

The reality has been more like £4K a year, st the cost of working full time, being absent from many significant family events, alienating many friends and relatives, and living in a cultish 'mindset' where she is bound for the stars...

So in 5 years she hasn't gone any higher. How does she feel about those who got in after her now being higher than her in promotions?

That is so sad that she has spent so many years chasing after a dream that is never going to happen.

Has she ever bought a promotion or bought CC'sfor herself or a member of her downline just to keep her rank for a certain month?

Am I right in thinking that becoming a manager got easier in January? That you need a lot less CC's to get it?

@Whiterangey - since I joined this thread earlier this year, her 'biznis' has become more and more of a 'sideline' to the real work she now does.

That may be a good thing, but I think she still believes that her lack of success was due to her own 'failures' and being surrounded by 'unsupportive/negative' influences.

When she was smashing (!!!?) £800 a month, pointing out that she was spending over half of that on attending various events, delivering products, paying 'mindset coaches' and filling our house with 'substitute products' we didn't need was the height of negativity.

I have no doubt she was encouraged to 'invest in herself' (buy a bit more stock to ensure promotion), and 'be her own best customer'.

When we met in the 90s, she was earning £400 (+ holidays, sick pay etc.) a week working in catering.

She has been convinced that JOBs are for losers and the £70k extra she'd have earned on the minimum wage over those years would have been an admission of defeat (not that she would have been on minimum wage for long anywhere, as she is diligent, a quick learner and hard-working).

It is mainly down to the brainwashing.

It really does seem to be brainwashing @twentytwenty

This poor new manager underling of Yawn’s has had all her FB friends told she’s going to get 2k a month minimum

At some point she’ll realise it’s not actually true, but by then she’ll have drink enough Kool Aid to pass the brainwashing down a level, to her ‘team’

And then she’s trapped

I struggle to understand it all, which shows how effective the brainwashing is. If I worked my tits off and got to a level where I was told i'd get at least $2k a month, and onward from that to the 6 figure cheques, i'd tell everyone to F Off as soon as I realised it wasn't going to happen.

As @Twentytwentyhindsight has said, his OH is still in, although luckily recently seems to be doing less forever.

That is a long time to lose money, friends, and self respect. Someone on the outside just wouldn't do it and can clearly see it for the scam it is, the brainwashing and cult tactics they use are super effective.

Is manager different to being and Eagle Manager? What rank comes above manager?

Am i right in thinking it goes like this:

Assistant Supervisor
Supervisor
Manager
Eagle Manager
Then multiple Eagle Manager with lots of stupid precious stone related names.

Does anything come between Manager and Eagle Manager?

What is the Eagles team then? I thought that was Castle's down line name.

(I'm not obsessed with her- I just don't know who the other bots are!)

@Whiterangey - The one thing I never factored in was the speed and effectiveness of the whole brainwashing thing.

When my OH started getting sucked in, I did 'due diligence' research into FLP and MLMs in general, and expressed my concern that it was a 'product-based' pyramid scheme, and that simple maths (no market is infinite) meant she would not make money, let alone the 'six-figure' being dangled and met steadfast hostility, I thought 'well, even if we end up down for a bit, the cold facts will speak for themselves and she'll move on'.

Little did I know the war had already been lost and that her sponsor/upline had by then identified me & my concerns as 'negative' influences to be ignored/overcome, and provided plenty of 'positive mindset training' (at a cost, of course) to arm her against reason & reality.

It is this realisation that has led me to the handle I use on this forum.

That’s so scary

I see the keen and positive faces of new recruits on Yawn’s posts and I feel deeply sorry for them

It's deeply personal for me, especially FLP, but the whole exploitative preying on (especially women's) hope and disregard for the ruined lives that is behind all MLMs is something that really needs to be fought.

I think many here have rightly commented that a world where people feel devalued/hopeless/short of opportunities will always breed the predators who will exploit this.

While women, especially mothers, are denied a sense of belonging in the 'real world', either through lack of decent affordable childcare or through shaming them for having to make a false choice between 'being there for their kids' and 'having a career', the predators will have plenty of potential victims.

This is a societal problem, which needs to be addressed. We should not, however, wait for a perfect world. There are many fronts in the battle, and MLMs are one.

If I can stop one family going through the crap we have, it will not by any means have made it worthwhile, but it will at least have made a difference.

Very well said @twenty

I hope that someone reading this thread right now might be prevented from getting seduced by the false promises

Surely these income bands (also on castle bro latest post.... team leader (supervisor apparently gets £800-£2000. Is this illegal to claim that?
These bands also haven’t changed from the posts of hazy days of the 2015 heyday, despite the uk CC rules totally changing. They are just made up numbers which cannot be backed up.

I would be interested to hear your full story @Twentytwentyhindsight There have been quite a few stories from bots who have seen the light, but I think a partner who saw just the facts all the way through would be a fascinating read from beginning to now.

It's insane how quick they got to your partner to alienate her from you and the truth she was telling you.

I do wonder if this is why Bestie and her husband split up, he couldn't deal with the fakeness, they were never on a 6 figure income, she still isn't. I get the feeling that Yawn's marriage could be next, they seem distance and their finances must logically be a mess now due to overspending. I wonder if their arguments about how this isn't going to work out and the bots just won't have any of it and won't make any changes to their spending habits or think about quitting while they are ahead.

Sacked By Ariiiiiix posted a massive bragging post about how NWM has given her a great big house/posh car/chance to be at home with her kids etc etc.

Looks impressive, right? Only the massive house is rented, not owned, and when Ariiiiiix terminated her she had the stress of making her rent payments, just after she’d had a baby. And the car? She posted a month or so ago that she couldn’t afford to keep it and was putting it up for sale.

Still, you’ve got to admit that pictures of your big house & flashy car must encourage people to jo J your new MLM hun. Even if you’re not entirely telling the truth.