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Thread 34 may be no more;
Thread 35 is quite alive.

Let's make sure it stays that way.

This thread is here to expose the garageful of lies pedalled by multi level marketing (network marketing) schemes, i.e outrageous health claims, unlimited wealth and residual earnings, to name but a few.

#sackthebot

Toobusytowee whilst I agree with some of the things you say about MLMs the constant generalisation of them all in every post does make what you say less credible.
I don't agree that all MLM products are unsaleable. I personally buy Avon, Bodyshop & Phoenix cards products and can tell you that plenty of individuals & schools buy Usborne books. There are some MLMs where the product is almost irrelevant but please understand that there are many many people buying MLM products out there who are genuine customers not just sellers buying stock. Yes, sellers will make more money if they also recruit others but it doesn't take away from the fact the products are not unsaleable, people are buying them!

Ex Vida Bot I mentioned has launched his newest opportunity (what it is actually selling is clearly a secret but it’s probably more body shaming) with a super bot that likes showing off his muscles. My ex Acti, Ex Vida, back to Acti, teeth detox Bot is one of the first to join him. The one who is permanently dieting but then never losing weight. This will be her 3rd weight loss MLM. Still the same size!
The ex Vida Bot was also with Wig’n’Sleaze last weekend presenting about Crypto.

Took me about ten minutes but I found it.
Ex Vida has gone in with the PTbot who brought Xerveo into the uk and they will soon be peddling sabaforlife.com . Tea, shakes, pills, blah blah blah. yawn

Is Salon pregnant? he latest post seems to me she is

I must be the most unsuccessful Bot in the world as I have never recruited anyone - that was not why I joined. I am a therapist and use the products in my work, and people also buy from me. I have never had any pressure to recruit or to expand. There are no sales targets. I don't recognise any of this behaviour in my company.

Is it because the company that I work for is ethical, perhaps?

In terms of saleable products it does feel like there is a difference between those companies that were not originally mlm ie: usborne, Avon (OK that''s always been direct sales but at least affordable) and those that were founded as an mlm. That said I would buy usborne from my local independent bookshop (also sells them for more than smiths etc) not a rep because that way I am supporting the book industry as a whole not just propping up one publisher.

Been there over 3 years, and never had pressure.

I think trying to find nefarious reasons from every action, however innocent, must be exhausting.

I also make a point of buying from small businesses, whether home made or an mlm. Most of the people I've met through usborne, papier flamingo, et al have been lovely, not pushy at all.

I didn’t have to find reasons. The treasons found me. Friends who changed into unrecognisable robots who cut everyone who questioned their “business” out of their lives. Their customers made seriously ill and often hospitalised by taking a bot’s unqualified “health and weight loss” advice. Already poor people dragged further into debt by liars selling them the dream that one day they will be able to buy Louboutins.

It needs to be exposed and fought.

As an ex MLMer (FLP) I have really seen the ugly side of the industry. But there's a reason it's so successful and it angers me that no genuine companies are taking advantage of this need.

People NEED flexible work. Work needs to be changed from past eras where you have to turn up at a certain place at a certain time until a certain time in order to get paid. It should be judged on the actual work instead. Apart from the retail and catering jobs I had in the past, every job I have done since could not only as effectively be done from home, in my own time, but more effectively without the time-wasting activities found in offices, the politics and so on.

I think bosses need to adopt a new way of thinking and give their employees the work they need to do with the flexibility to do it wherever they need to, when applicable. MLMs would go out of business, people would be less stressed and I'm sure the quality of work would skyrocket.

Considering 99.7% of people who join MLM's don't make any money, I do think that some who believe they have made money don't add in their expenses and what they have had to spend themselves on product.

Yawn bots husband is working as manager for a company that Yawn's BFF set up. Though it doesn't appear to be doing well.

Lot's of house selling going on at the moment, I wonder if Yawn will be next. Her BFF has her house on the market, as does another close friend who is also a Networking Mummies affiliate.

Considering bots show off about every single aspect of their lives there has been no showing off about new homes.

Look - I'm not saying that all mlms are good or bad. I am saying that the one I chose to do business with works for my business model. I use product in my business as a legitimate expense, I sell at retail value to customers and I don't have the need to spend £££ on travel or keeping up with the jonses posts on facebook

My business is not unusual, and my products are not that special. But they work and suit my ethics. All of the stuff that you say go on in mlm's look like "some" mlm's not all and therefore I call bullshit on tarring them all with the same brush.

It was explained to me how the recruitment works, and how money is made. There's an awful amount of work in "managing" people - which I can't be bothered to do. But that's just me. I also think that the time commitment on here has been exaggerated. It was made clear how much time is needed in "growing" a business, no-one lied to me, I went in with my eyes open.

PS My "Avon Lady" met at work (when I was PAYE not SE) is still a friend and I still order sometimes from her. It's the personal service that I get that makes the difference, from all of my network of people selling things.

@louiseaaa

What MLM is it you are working for?

I'm guessing Neals Yard.

If it is Neals Yard then it's another one that can be sold via traditional routes so I can believe that using and retailing the products than some. Of course as Mielabel says it does open up questions about how we work in society in general, why these more traditional companies are going down and mlm route and whether they should be (I'm sure from a business point of view they should but ethically?). There's a lot of interesting questions around work and productivity that our society doesn't seem to have fully embraced.

It's just a business decision, and a good one. The consultants are the customers so their profits increase.

Most bottles of Aloe drink yuck end up being unused and stored, bots need to sell a certain amount of CC's per month and if they can't get someone to buy it they have to buy it themselves. FL don't care, they already have their money.

If you were a customer browsing the internet and were after some aloe products you can find them much cheaper elsewhere, so FL wouldn't be your first stop to buy.

It's smart, not moral, but a sound financial decision.

I am against all MLMs because it is the ‘business’ model that is the problem. It is the foundation for all the problems we see.

The products are always overpriced and not competitive, because of the model. Usborne is different because the products are in the normal marketplace. There is only a section that is MLM (in the U.K. anyway). AVON are bought by people on the products’ merits, as they are new to MLM. They are still mostly direct selling I think.

Even if I found an MLM product that I loved and decided it was worth the markup, I wouldn’t buy it. I would not want to be damaging the individual person selling it or to be supporting the massive corporation behind the scheme.

So Utility Warehouse have topped the Which best energy company survey. Thoughts? Is it because customers are also Bots so will not say anything negative? Or are they worth a look? I've always been put off by the MLM connection.

I completely agree that the basic business model is unfair, corrupt even, and that the odds are completely stacked against the vast majority of participants. I also agree that most people who make it past a certain level are sucked into a system that forces them to exploit their downline in order to maintain or advance their own income and position.

However. We can’t ignore the fact that some people have had/are having a positive experience in an MLM. It doesn’t make that MLM ‘good’, it just means that one individual’s experience of it is/was positive.

To acknowledge or accept that doesn’t mean we accept MLMs. But it does make this thread more inclusive and will give us a better chance of making sure that women come here, read, learn and protect themselves.

But, Arbonne, I am coming at it from an angle that MLMs are a form of fraud. People are joining up and being scammed.

If you compare it to other crimes, you can see my point and your objection a little more clearly. Let’s look at burglary. We know that it is wrong and should be stopped. But there are burglars out there who make a lot of money and enjoy it. They can feed their families and learn new skills doing it. There are people who will buy the stolen goods, supporting the burglar and they might be happy. But stealing is still wrong and is still harmful.

Sorry, I typed Arbunne, my phone autocorrects to MLM names now.

NY has one of the worst comp schemes of all
If you run a massage/beauty business, look into ordering directly from them or a comparable company as a traditional wholesale, you'll be better off!

I still can't believe that Neals Yard are using the MLM approach. There was Neals Yard shop in my university town 30 years ago and I loved going in there. Wouldn't touch any of it with a barge pole now.

MLM just screams bad quality and/or over priced to me. (Not saying that their products are either of those BTW, just that now it's an MLM that's how I see it and I'm sure many others do too).