MLM Bot Watch 35 how to lose friends and alienate people with Younique Forever Living Juice Plus Arbonne Crypto currency and tea and coffee MLM cults

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Thread 34 may be no more;
Thread 35 is quite alive.

Let's make sure it stays that way.

This thread is here to expose the garageful of lies pedalled by multi level marketing (network marketing) schemes, i.e outrageous health claims, unlimited wealth and residual earnings, to name but a few.

#sackthebot

Hi, I have an acquaintance that is wanting to join Younique. I can't currently pursuade them otherwise, they are going to go ahead with joining. Remind me of the websites/basic information sources which tell them about losing money in a pyramid scheme, as they think they will make money by only buying products for orders. Thanks!

@NotBeingOuted Elle Beau's blog is specifically targeted at Younique and definitely worth sending to your friend. She may not want to hear what is being said but at least she'll have the information stored in her mind when things start to unravel.

Indeed.

Here's a quick link.

Elle Beau

Good luck.

Thanks, she’s already into the whole it’s about empowering woman and getting out and about bit. Nothing I said would change her mind. Will send her the blog. I think she’s going to sign up anyway. She thinks as long as she breaks even that’s great but she wants it as a sideline tonher full time job to get more independence. I tried everything. She responded with an article by someone clearly working on Younique about the negative people.

Sorry to hear that @notbeingouted

She sounds like she's in the honeymoon period, being love bombed by those in her 'team' and it's very seductive and comforting. Not a lot you can do at the moment as any argument you put your get will get a scripted response (this happened to me when a friend got sucked into Forever Living "people who are negative about the business opportunity are those who failed because they didn't work hard enough" etc etc

That’s exactly it, everything I say her person who’s getting her into it has a response for. And the person signing her up is pretty crap at it looking at her Facebook feed, her makeup videos do not make me want to buy her makeup!
But I’ve suggested she add up her hours and money spent travelling and on promotional materials as she goes along, but I don’t think she will. She’s not a close friend, friend of a relative type thing and I was worried she would pull the relative in with her. But relative has seen the light and won’t be signing up so that has been good. I can see the draw for them if the empowering women and love bombing shit.

It really is shit

Have you seen Youniquefail on Instagram?

It's hilarious but shows the reality when anyone but anyone can call themselves a makeup professional

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Might I suggest giving the link in any case to the relative who didn't sign up? (Just in case she's at all shaky about her decision. )

Do go and have a read of our very own Barnbot Shingles post on her FB today. It’s about FLP, the barn and the utterly relentless pressure in MLM once you reach a certain income. She’s completely frank about her own experiences & what that’s taught her about MLM and herself.

Brilliant, Tash. Thank you for sharing xxx

I can't see the post. Is it friends only? I see her other posts, but not that one unless i'm missing something.

Posted 6 hours ago on her FB page, Rangey. If we ask her nicely, she might post on here? I don’t think it’s my place to do so as she does drop in on the threads.

I think it must be friends only

Will look up the instagram.
Thanks cozie, I have sent her every link as well and will keep an eye on her, as I'm still worried she'll slowly be worked on. acquaintance has already started spamming her Facebook feed today with the positivity quotes and makeup selfies. The only person liking them is her Younique sponsor. And no one is liking her Facebook posts either. I've never had a real life bot on Facebook before. Apparently I am a negative person and it's very British to not like that people make money from other people. Eh? That's how every business works! Every single one.

Natasha has made the post public - do read. It’s such a good insight into how once you pass a certain level you are trapped by the system into all sorts of stressful, awful situations

I’ve read it now, it’s very good, it’s important to get the message across to the lower down bots that it’s not as easy as it seems when you reach the dizzy heights of a top bot. As so many drop out within the first year there must be huge pressure to keep recruiting

I’m sure I’m not the only one to sense the quiet desperation of a particular shill bot who is relentless in her FB posts, veering between mentioning new members of her downline and boastful posts about her house and lifestyle (choosing her new lease car is the most recent theme). It’s absolutely shameless, persuading her followers that she is living a perfect life and they can have it too. All the while knowing that they will spend their 200 quid, buy products but eventually give up.
I don’t know how she copes, the pressure she puts herself under is intense. And she can NEVER stop, she’s trapped.

I've noticed that too sponge. I wonder what it's actually like for her, and other bots in that position.

That’s exactly it, Sponge. You are promised freedom, but what you get is a financial prison. I’m sure that car plan & the encouragement to lease big houses, ‘retire’ your husband etc is all part of a deliberate conspiracy to trap you economically and ensure that you keep on recruiting & selling to be able to pay the lease/rent. Once you are ‘living the dream’ you will be on a constant, relentless, stressful treadmill, terrified of losing it all again.

I've just read Natasha's post, I'm out of the loop and haven't been on these threads for over a year, I had forgotten who's who. I'm guessing she's no longer in an MLM and that's a very honest and brave post.

I read her post.

Wow! I had tears in my eyes.

She walked away from all of that just so she could be true to herself.

Natasha, although I wasn't posting here when you were a bot, I was reading. I thought you left because you weren't making enough money. I felt bad for your kids that you had given them the barn and then taken it away from them because you made bad choices.

I couldn't be more wrong, you gave your kids the best example of the type of person that we should all try and be. You gave up fancy stuff for what was right.

Having seen some of your lives with regards to Valentus I believe you could have gone on to be one of the ones receiving 6 figure cheques on stage and you gave all of that up.

You are pretty fucking amazing.

I hope people read your post and take what you have said to heart.

Ahh thank you for the lovely comments. @rangey I made the decision to stop recruiting in June 2016. I knew by doing that my income would eventually disappear. There were lots of reasons I walked away, I had become unhappy and had started to see things I didnt feel comfortable with. FLP took a lot of bad press and as a result some of my team lost income, one of my managers spoke to me and said she had to go back to work as was struggling financially, her exact words were "but will that affect you Tash?" In that moment you are torn... Me or her? I just told her to do whatever she needed to do to provide for her family and I gave her a reference. I knew I would never be able to live with myself if I had encouraged any of them to stay. But of course by doing that I also knew I would be leaving that house and my kids would be back in a cramped, damp shit hole house in a town full of drugs and troublemakers. I never wanted money! I wanted to give my family a great life, but not at the expense of others. I was never bullied or pressured by upline, its just the higher you get the more you're exposed to the hidden darkness of it all. I thank these threads...... because although I felt personally attacked it made me watch more closely and made me question more. I am still one of the lucky ones though, I had choices. I've never been attacked by anyone for leaving either. Shame so many don't have the same story. I lived and breathed it and I loved every minute, would I do it again ? Not if you paid me £10 million!!

Thanks for #poppinon Tash xxx

@arbunne anytime hun! ;) xxx

Thanks tasha for showing us the other side. I first started to look into forever when my sister in law got into it and invited me to a launch party. I had a nosy on the lady who got her into it and forevers prices. She had asked me to bring my work friends to the party too. I remember thinking there was no way my friends would ever pay those prices and I made an excuse not to go. When I first looked more deeply into it and found these threads right from the beginning, I thought once you got to manager you had it made and pushed and bullied the down-lines, while living the life of luxury. What I know now is quite scarey. My sil went to one of the presentation days in London, I thought she had made it to Supervisor and was getting an award, but no, she went there, spent money on the Hotel, money on the fancy meals, money to get there and money on the ticket. Probably money on books tapes etc too. What really got to me was when her recruiter announced on her business page that sil had sacked her boss and was now able to stay at home and work while being with her kids. She actually packed in work a month earlier due to childcare issues, nothing to do with forever living. Now 3 years later she has another Job and sells the odd item of forever. Thank god she didn't spend too much money, but I cant ask her about it as she is still slightly in the loop. It is thanks to people like Tasha, who come along and tell everyone their story. I do emphasise with some of these topbots, because they are trapped, but there is always a way out and only they can find it.

How does your SIL feel about it all now? (As far as you can gather, not being able to ask her directly.)

@annie its such a complex industry. I spent money on events etc but I also retailed genuinely to customers and was earning good money from that alone! That more than covered costs and still left me with good income. There is always an element of investment to gain with anything self employed but many dont earn first before they invest. Upline arent always nasty, quite often they dont know what they are doing either!! I do think its important though to show the things people dont think of. MLM can be done morally and it can be really enjoyable but it can very easily be manipulated. For example instead of telling downline "you're just sharing products you like" tell them "its a sales job and you will need to learn how to do it".
Take the "nice, positive, cult" bullshit away and effectively you're left with a job you need to strategically market products for! I can remember when these threads were sent to me and I read I was a bully and a liar.... the first thing I did was show my team!! Not hide it! I wanted them to read it and decide if thats how Id made them feel. Leaders were hiding it and that made me think there was more going on than I realised. People stay with you when you are honest, when you are clear on what it is they are signing up for. Pretending its all one big unicorn filled magical experience is just soul destroying when the reality is presented. It angers me! I know many top leaders looked down on me because I swore and wasn't a "professional" but I wasnt fake either and too many feel they must be like the leaders.... polished sales people who are masters at the art of manipulation. Fact xx