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MLM Bot Watch 25 - Powered by Twunk's Yazoo: Tragicomic cultic wampum flogging scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus, LifeTreeWorld (RIP)

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MyCatsHateMLMtoo · 02/08/2016 09:48

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Squaddielife · 19/09/2016 09:49

Hi
Apologies if this is the wrong place to post but wondered if anyone had heard of / been involved with Saivian ?
Thanks

cozietoesie · 19/09/2016 10:21

I seem to recall that they actually earn a mention in Botwatch's list. Have you checked there? Smile

Squaddielife · 19/09/2016 10:36

Hiya
I did do a search but nothing came up Confused

smiinky · 19/09/2016 10:41

Saivan seems to be the next mlm that the bots are leaping to, well the ones that leapt from Forever to LTW anyway. And LTW is going very badly wrong as we all predicted months ago. The usual b.s.about it being more ethical. The mlm merry go round never ends.

cozietoesie · 19/09/2016 11:29

Hi Squaddie

Yes - it's there. You obviously had some good instinct going there. Smile

Here's the general link for Botwatchblog. There are so many good articles that it's worth scanning the lot but if you keep on going you'll find pages on 'specific MLMs' to look at. Some of the links are a little iffy these days but I'm sure you'll overcome that once you get into the swing of things.

cozietoesie · 19/09/2016 11:39

PS - if you're having any difficulty, a good starting place can be to put the name of the company into a search engine and add ' MLM' or other words. It would get you started anyway. Smile

fitgirl26 · 19/09/2016 11:51

Shopping Sherlock and SBC (Skinny Body Care) seem to be cropping up a lot if you click on the profiles of anyone who actually makes positive comments about all this crap!

cozietoesie · 19/09/2016 12:24

Some interesting search results there. Wink Some companies may try to make their websites 'private' or 'invitation only' but they can't really avoid 'dedicated investigation'. Smile

Spongebobette · 19/09/2016 17:49

That fake FL plane photo is popping up everywhere.

Toobusytowee · 19/09/2016 19:17

Squadielife, Saivian is on The Botwatchblog list. Look it up here botwatchblog.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/directory-of-mlm-information/ It is in alphabetical order.

ShiroiKoibito · 19/09/2016 20:54

anyone got any info on 'Natural Beauty Slimming' ?

I've done a search and theres nothing here?

fitgirl26 · 19/09/2016 21:09

www.naturalbeautyslimming.com

www.naturalbeautyslimming.com/become-an-nb-stockist

They say they don't operate a multi level system but I would be highly suspicious of a company that talks about "loosing" weight on their website. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence!

Spongebobette · 19/09/2016 21:13

Total MLM

ShiroiKoibito · 19/09/2016 21:21

thanks - i thought it was, but only seen it a couple of time on facebook from a single person

DollyTwat · 20/09/2016 06:53

Twunk could you pm me the justgiving details, thanks

LTW seem to have exploded with the top bots people leaving to do something together.

Traffic monsoon completely done for. One of the guys seems to be peddling Coinspace, which is the scammiest thing I've ever seen. Some kind of bitcoin currency

MyCatsHateMLMtoo · 20/09/2016 07:40

Quote "Our research team has worked on our weight loss supplements, making micro alterations to the formulation bringing you maximum effectiveness when it comes to loosing weight". Taken from the naturalbeautyslimming page.

It's all bollocks, isn't it? "Research team?" "Micro alterations?" "Formulation?" and the doozy "Loosing weight" Grin

Let's see the EVIDENCE in the form of official peer-reviewed research (don't hold your breath though) rather than believe a company whose grasp of basic grammar is so poor. Doesn't bode well Hmm.

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MrsRaymondReddington · 20/09/2016 09:15

I've just had to unfollow a couple of FB friends due to being bombarded with guff about Lipsense.....first I've heard of it.

xenu1 · 20/09/2016 09:29

Hi all. Great legal update (USA) - IBOs cant use MLM losses against tax.

Amway tells members they can offset "system/tools" expenses against tax from "J.O.B" working. No longer. (And note the losses...)

"Court denies tax deduction for Amway losses

The U.S. Tax Court has ruled that losses sustained by a pair of Amway distributors were not tax-deductible as business expenses. IRS regulations hold that for losses to be tax deductible, the underlying activity must involve credible efforts to earn money. Activities that comprise a hobby or merely provide products for personal use do not qualify. Noting that from 2005 through 2011, the couple reported gross receipts of only $5,098 and a total net loss of $99,000, the Court concluded:
Petitioners did not create a business plan, budget, or estimate of revenues and expenses; nor did they introduce records demonstrating the amount of product they sold, who their customers were or how many customers they had, or who their downline distributors were or how many downline distributors they had. Although petitioners carefully maintained receipts, they did not use those receipts to maintain a general ledger, create profit and loss statements, or improve the performance of their Amway activity. To the contrary, petitioners used a document that merely explained Amway's payment structure as their business plan and operated their Amway activity in the same manner each year despite consistently generating losses. On these facts, it appears that petitioners maintained receipts for substantiation purposes only rather than to monitor the income and expenses of, and ultimately improve, their Amway activity. Accordingly, the Court concludes that petitioners did not operate their Amway activity in a businesslike manner.
In 2011, blogger Peter J. Reilly, CPA, summarized 23 other unfavorable rulings and concluded: "If the reason you want to start a business is so that you can deduct money you spend anyway (something I advise you not to do), Amway is probably one of the worst things that you could pick." [Reilly PJ. Selling soap as a hobby - Amway IBO’s in Tax Court, Passive Activities and Other Oxymorons Blog, June 15, 2011] MLM Watch has an article on Amway's origins.

hat tip Dr Barratt's excellent Quackwatch site: www.quackwatch.com

Tacitits · 20/09/2016 10:08

I've just seen a flurry of Facebook likes for an ex-colleague's Imperial Candles page - MLM?

Spongebobette · 20/09/2016 12:12

Bloody hell not another one!!

Tacitits · 20/09/2016 12:27

They appear to be those candles with jewellery embedded in the wax - "worth anything from £10 to £2000!" Sure....

inaclearingstandsaboxer · 20/09/2016 12:56

I wonder how Eyes is? Any one heard from him?

Toobusytowee · 20/09/2016 13:12

I just looked up Imperial Candles. They have a starter kit, back office, minimum monthly spends, bonuses and the promise of fun. At first it looks like an MLM but there is no recruiting. This makes it a direct selling company, not MLM.

Eyes is ok. He's still fighting MLMs. He's still there if anyone needs him.

Tacitits · 20/09/2016 13:21

Thanks, Toobusy!

cozietoesie · 20/09/2016 14:59

Just keep a weather eye on minimum quotas. (From Month 3 if I recall?)

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