MLM Bot Watch 21 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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Welcome all to the new thread

Congratulations seenthelight definite celebrations in order #sackedtheupline
#sackedthdcult

I seen that post too Delurker. That woman is in LTW now.

It all seems to get very nasty whenever there is any negative reaction. #maybecozitsacult

It's funny that they were all so upset about people PMing names on here before when the private groups are so rife with that sort of thing. Bit hypocritical!!

What can people say that's positive and/or doesn't contradict what they've told to people in the past.?

Feeling you have to 'say something' doesn't really cut it.

It's funny that they were all so upset about people PMing names on here before when the private groups are so rife with that sort of thing. Bit hypocritical!!

Yep - saw evidence last night! I would say it was hilarious but it was actually rather disturbing.

It will definitely make it harder for newer bots no matter what spin they try to put on it. I've read a post this morning all about how now they will have to coach more and it's no longer going to be a revolving door like it is in 'some teams'.
Could hazard a guess which Team is being referred to.
As Managers are told not to work with anyone not 4cc active, after this change that number will definitely be less, managers will struggle themselves as they'll now need to sponsor 3 retail 1 I assume.
It doesn't really make sense to me, in one breath it's to coach more but then they will need to recruit more. I suppose they could retail, most managers don't though.

#sackedtheupline

Love it

It is disturbing. It's also deeply upsetting.

But seenthelight we have been told time and time again you DON'T need to stockpile. You mean it isn't true?

They are pushing the retail side heavily Delurker. They are actually saying everyone should be retailing 4cc and then sign ups should be additional to this. Scandinavia are number two in world and they don't have a lot of FBO's just a lot of retailers, great retention rate and customer care apparently. They want us to copy them. So 4cc through retail is going to be celebrated!

"Scandinavia" is probably a very different market to the UK. I've visited England recently and it's a bloody retail dream-world compared to Holland, and I suspect Scandic countries are more like NL than UK...

There's going to be a lot of aloe bottle houses built.

Anyone else seeing the 'the only way you fail is if you quit' memes?? I've seen 3 this morning.

#sacktheupline love it!!!!!!

Just added it up its about £700 worth of stock to go back
Thank God I make some money back!

Sounds like I got out just in time !

leaftree it was me who asked about the suncream. I'm going to dig further into this as I will actively stop any of my friends buying this if it is not tested to an acceptable standard.

Yes Twunk they tell you you don't need to stock pile but the reality is you do!
Will be glad to get rid of it all
I have kept some of the things I like but most is stock I won't use

cosie the chocolate ration part of 1984 is exactly what came to my mind! The party is so generous has increased the ration to 20g!

I almost forgot the Orwell Animal Farm debate, but that was about 18 threads ago now!

Well done seenthelight

For any Forevet IBOs reading and who want to quit but feeling nervous, maybe today's CC announcement may make it easier for you? It may be a blessing in disguise that means you can quit without too much negativity put on you. It means there is a definite thing that can be blamed (whatever your reasoning) and your friends in FLP are more likely to be understanding as probably concerned about their own position after this. If anyone is in this boat, good luck!

It's a very interesting development because the retail side of it has always been secondary in the past. We have all seen the script - first you contact someone with 'the opportunity' and if they say no (as 11/12 do apparently) then you offer them the products.

This means that there will be little reward in signing people up unless they're going to be 4cc active themselves, retention will be priority now but that will be difficult. Network marketers have become retailers overnight, but the market they have is heavily saturated and overpriced. Staying active will be much harder as more people push for sales, more people buy the products leaving less potential buyers for new sign ups.

The 'business builders' must be devastated. Their CCs will be halved. The marketing plan will be significantly harder to sell and people will be dropping like flies.

Whatever positive spin they put on this is disrespectful to those who have been sold this networking "dream" - there are no positives. Your time and efforts will now double and you have to be grateful, even if this isn't the plan you BOUGHT into.

I'm just on the DSA website now, only to find that other than LTW, the following MLMs are also nothing more than prospective members:

It Works!
Jamberry
Scentsy

I think there have been recent murmurs about 'saturation' among the adherents?

I've just received this from an optically aware non-bot who has asked me to share:

Yesterday, the discussion on the Mumsnet threads turned to why the sign-up fees for 'MLM' rackets have usually been capped in the UK at slightly less than £200.

MN members assumed that anything over £200 must be illegal and some began searching in the Trading Schemes legislation. However, they didn't find anything; because any payments to simply join a trading scheme are, in fact, unlawful in the UK.

As you may or may not know, it is a criminal offence in the UK to run any trading scheme which takes (significant) sign-up/renewal fees. What doesn't seem to be common knowledge is that even this ill-written technical law is not really enforced.

In recent years, UK regulators (Companies Investigation Branch) have tended to ignore unlawful sign-up and renewal fees under £200; only because these haven't attracted complaints; and because when CBI half-heartedly tried to close down 'Amway' for breaking this technical law, they failed.

After many years of well-informed complaints, 'Amway UK Ltd.' was finally prosecuted in 2007/8 under UK Trading Schemes and Lotteries legislation on the grounds that it had been taking unlawful sign ups and renewal fees for more than 30 years.

Yet these fees were actually less than £100. 'Amway's' false-justification at the time for these illegal payments had previously been that they were nominal and were only to cover administrative costs.

To dodge closure, 'Amway UK Ltd' immediately stopped all unlawful sign-up, and renewal fees and pretended to the High Court that its company officers had been completely unaware that these payments (and other practises) were unlawful, and that as soon as they were made aware by regulators, they had immediately reformed the 'Amway' scheme voluntarily, to bring it into line with UK Trading Schemes legislation.

The only people that use Forever products are forever business owners.
Like you've said, watch them all now build internationally. UK is done yo be fair.

Ho Hum.

The world is an awfully small place these days.

A quick question to those on here who were involved in FL, either as Managers or at the bottom of the pyramid.....I see constant references to 'training' 'and 'coaching' by bots on their professional pages, often through webinars.

Can you tell me what this training actually consists of? Is it mostly exhortations to do better? Is it PPTs full of lovely pics?

I am professionally involved in training and I am fascinated to know what goes on and how people can suddenly become a 'global business coach'.

Any insights gratefully received!

Thank you for that CAM.