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MLM Bot Watch 21 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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Twunk · 02/05/2016 00:38

Links etc to follow!

Welcome all to the new thread

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prettyusefulsometimes · 07/05/2016 20:59

I do believe the cheques are real for LTW

Seenthelight MLM money could be seen to follow the law of conservation of energy - that is, it is neither created or destroyed it just transforms from one form to another! So your average new recruit's hard earned joining fee, training day ticket money and network marketing ephemera is transformed into giant wipe clean cheques, shiny red-soled shoes, giant bags with tiny handles and unfathomable white 4x4s. And there is no such thing as 'residual income', the CCs and points and dohickeys have to keep accumulating so the MLM money gets transformed again.

I've no doubt that there are people involved in LTW that have received a lot of money but that is because it is a pyramid scheme and relies on a lot of people paying over the odds for goods they have to pay an additional fee to buy.

LTW and the rest give those involved at the very bottom and lower levels of the scheme THE FALSE EXPECTATION OF FUTURE REWARD. Those higher up know exactly what they're doing.

I miss Eyespying. The Victorian State minister Jane Garrett, quoted in the Australian article, is channelling him though Smile when she says:

“Selling people snake oil is as old as the hills, but its devastating damage is as fresh today"

Thank you Bot Watch and Timeless Vie for keep on harping keeping on

cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 21:12

There's certainly a very strong folk memory of snake-oil salesmen round these parts. I even recall my father telling me a story of a street event from his childhood that featured one. He used that very term.

BSintolerant · 07/05/2016 22:28

It reminds me of the numerous Balm of Gilead ads which were all over the papers in the eighteenth and nineteenth century newspapers ... Along with mercury cures for the so-called French disease.

Oh la la!

kamchatka23 · 07/05/2016 22:38

Today was a very important day for my Ariix bot. She got to stand up on stage and be 'recognised' in Liverpool and she's going to Dublin tomorrow apparently. No big cheques there, just loads of backslapping and positivity mumbo jumbo.

Twunk · 07/05/2016 22:40

"You're an Ariix bot!!!" Wink

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cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 22:40

So people go great distances just to be Huzza'd?

cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 22:41

BS

Look up 'French Arsenical Complexion Wafers' if you ever have a spare five minutes. Grin

cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 22:43

Sorry.

Arsenic

Twunk · 07/05/2016 22:46

LOVE the conservation of energy analogy prettyuseful

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kamchatka23 · 07/05/2016 22:49

She's driven from Somerset to Liverpool today, I presume there'll be hotels to pay for, meals to pay for and flights to and from Dublin. It's a lot of money to spend just to stand up on a stage and be told how great you are - I just don't get the attraction personally.

HopefulHamster · 07/05/2016 22:55

I went to my first Forever thing this morning, at my lovely friend's house. I did buy a couple of things to help her out though I know I could buy similar much more cheaply.

I was struck by a few things. Main one: The design of the products is really amateurish. I genuinely don't get it. The logos and branding and even bottle design are weak. This makes it harder to buy. It's not like Neal's Yard, where the products generally look quite nice. I couldn't buy Forever as a gift. The make-up design in particular looks really early nineties. Am I the only one who thinks so? It's a clear sign they aren't bothered about the products and it's a shame. If they hired a good designer and it all looked better, it would be easier to sell and the pressure would be off recruitment so much.

The talk opened with a bunch of stuff about the company and how amazing it was and how much money it makes. I've been at other 'sell at home' parties and they've talked more about the products. Trying to sell me the company just felt weird. Why would I care about their growth when I'm looking at buying some fancy lotions?

I could go on but she might read this one day so I won't.

cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 23:01

What MLMs 'sell' is just wampum, though. It only needs to 'hook' people into looking at the organisation and provide a means to rebut allegations of .......triangulation.

BSintolerant · 07/05/2016 23:15

cozie - Wow! Dr Rose's Arsenic Wafers sound like a fun way of fixing disfigurements of the complexion.

We recommend ordering one dozen large boxes and then carefully follow our directions.

Only a dozen large boxes of arsenic pills? Lightweights! I suppose it would have increased Victorianbot's CCs. ;)

I suppose if you took too many you'd definitely achieve the goal of very white skin (with a blue tinge turning to green after a few days).

What was it with Victorians and arsenic? They put it in wallpaper, medicine, used it to poison rats ...

What does this remind me of? Grin

BSintolerant · 07/05/2016 23:17

kamchatka I was recognised in Liverpool once.

That is all.

LunaLoveg00d · 07/05/2016 23:20

Forever living having a stall at our summer fair. Anyone else had this? Did you say anything?

I am in charge of sourcing stallholders for christmas shopping evenings and other school events and always get enquiries from FL, younique, neal's yard, juice plus etc. I always decline.

cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 23:28

I imagine that MLMs have a checklist of likely places to recruit and that new adherents are steered towards them by their managers. (If they haven't already gone there themselves,) You'll,likely have the full range of enquiries, Luna.

AugustaFinkNottle · 07/05/2016 23:32

My Juice Plus bot has posted this on Facebook:

To my FACEBOOK FAMILY AND FRIENDS!
I need your help...
With your permission, I would like to post ONE post on your wall to help me expand my business.
You personally may not be interested in transform 30 right now, but your friends and family might be! My goal is to reach as many people as possible! If you would allow me to post on your wall, please comment "YES" in the comments.
Thank you for your continued support it is very much appreciated!

I'm trying to stop myself posting "NO NO NO"

penguins33 · 07/05/2016 23:35

I've just come across this MLM and am totally gobsmacked. Stun guns and pepper spray anyone?

damselindefense.net/

Clearly US only, but still ...

cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 23:43

What do MLMs call your friends and family - your 'warm list' is it? I guess that FB friends would figure in that.

cozietoesie · 07/05/2016 23:48

The sad thing, Augusta, is the impression of desperation that some messages from adherents seem to convey. Who knows what pressures they're under?

People should have a regular fresh look at Timeless Vie and Botwatch to remind themselves of the stories that some very stalwart ex-MLMers have posted.

HopefulHamster · 07/05/2016 23:53

Cozie - I know it's just wampum, but it seems like they would actually make more/it would be more legit very easily, if there was just a trifle more effort to make a decent product. It's one of the things that annoys me most, it was actually hard to find something to buy and despite my distaste for mlms I did want to support my friend. It was all so tired and naff.

LeafTreeRaker · 08/05/2016 00:02

Augusta, I got one of those from someone I'm not even friends with. She tried to add me, I questioned why (friends in common, it wasn't unthinkable I had in fact met the girl at a party sometime), and thought that was the end of it. I was wrong.

I didn't take kindly to the begging nature of the very scripted message.

MLM Bot Watch 21 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc
cozietoesie · 08/05/2016 00:25

It riles me how many of the adherents use/are told to use - quite ruthlessly - all the little social cues that we're brought up from childhood to observe. There are only very small steps, individually, from feeling sorry for someone/obliged towards them, to buying something, to signing something etc etc. And even if you only 'buy' with no intention of taking it further, you might be giving someone a false idea of their 'success' and contributing to their staying in longer.

Invidious stuff.

LeafTreeRaker · 08/05/2016 00:59

It's the ultimate way to brainwash people in to believing (in) something. It's angering to see people act that way and believe that it's ok to do it.

cozietoesie · 08/05/2016 08:33

Yes. The 'normalisation' of behaviour that people would likely never even have contemplated before.

Dreadful.

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