MLM Bot Watch 16 - Chat about the Scamalasmical cultic racket of MLMs Forever Living, Juiceplus , Ariix, Younique, (insert name of Utah MLM here) now including hunpreneurs, cheese, posts from eyes

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Botwatch
botwatchblog.wordpress.com
www.facebook.com/liestopper/?fref=ts

Timeless Vie
timelessvie.wordpress.com
www.facebook.com/timelessvie

Eyes Blog:
mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.nl

Hommetepreneur:
www.facebook.com/hommetrepreneur/

😂😂😂😂 £4K a month in rent???

Wasn't the right move post put in here? With the rent amount on it?

I'm actually crying with laughter! 😂

Thanks so much for the numbers Natasha. You have given us how many people you personally have signed up. But what about the people they have signed up? How many of those are there and how many have dropped out?

I really do appreciate your time and insight Natasha. But please don't write us off as 'people who know nothing'. Some of us have spent a long time researching this so actually, for example on stuff like pointing out 'willable income' is not worth anything, please believe us, or at least check with critical eyes.

I did say...

or what ever it was

Still more than average

Can anyone (Natasha?) explain the structure that Natasha has posted in laymans's terms? Ie what is a frontline? A generation? A line of managers? A non-manager team?

I genuinely don't really understand it all.

FLhahaha The closed logic of the 'MLM' shill bot, won't allow challengers to win any debate.

It's classic cultic verbal trickery - a slightly more sophisticated version of heads I win, tails you lose.

The closed-logic shill Bot script, systematically says outsiders can't know anything about MLM, but at the same time, anyone who has seen the effects of MLM and spent time researching MLM, is dismissed as an obsesssed hater with distorted views etc., who refuses to look at the truth and understand how 'MLM' functions.

if I had a £1 for every time Natasha had flounced and returned, I'd be rich enough to fund a 'shill-bot rent-a-lifestyle' existence ....

throwingpebbles I thought it was flounces to pound, and not pounds to the flounce?

Clockwork you might be confusing Natasha's rental costs with another FBO who was prominently featured in the recent Sunday Times article. Her monthly rental figure was nearly £4K.

Clockwork it's another Uberbot with the £4K per month rent.

To be fair Natasha you're not in that league.

Going back to what you said before, something along the lines of whether people are expected to research the company they work for (to which the answer is a categoric YES - before you've even gone to interview). Did you look up Forever Living before you signed up yourself? Did you not see or care about all the criticism?

eyes

or maybe it should be more complex, maybe we should have an obscure conversion system that no one really understands so that it is easier to fool them. we could attribute so many 'cc's to each flounce perhaps....?

I think a flounce should get an entire CC, though it depends on the dramatic qualities

Going back to what you said before, something along the lines of whether people are expected to research the company they work for (to which the answer is a categoric YES - before you've even gone to interview).

quite twunk . I read up thoroughly before an interview and on occasion have decided not even to go to the interview based on that research. Admittedly it was a concern about the stability of the company not the ethics. But I would have not got involved with something if there were a lot of indications it was morally dubious. and I would give any friend or family member a good shake if I found out they were flogging quasi-medical products without questioning the veracity of the claims! I think there needs to be a campaign to introduce much better critical thinking in schools if so many people are accepting assertions like 'supports immune system' so unthinkingly

In fact, based on what we have learnt here, I think it would be good to get a campaign going to encourage education in schools on the following:

• not believing everything you see on the internet. How easy it is for a facebook account, say, to be manipulated to make someone look significantly more successful than they really are
• good sources of information to assess whether claims made by a product have any foundation in science.
• how to spot the difference between a genuine 'business' and one where all the money flows to some guy in Utah
• how to analyse how your 'business' is going - how to include all business costs including training events (and associated expenses), the rental of items purely to 'attract' new recruits, hosting events, fancy pants car plans and house rentals, purchasing products for 'personal use' etc etc etc
• maybe that 'dot com' charity FL like to support would be keen to help with this campaign

My sister has joined the fight. Quite unknowingly since she is unlikely to be a mnetter ( whole different story). I noticed that she posted on a friends FB thread after someone had advise using Aloeshit to treat his cracked feet. In her inimitable style she completely dissed the advice and gave her own professional opinion - she is a university lecturer/researcher in both podiatry and microbiology you know! I She is ace when it comes to scientific argument. She would wipe the floor with Natasha. I suspect that FL bots have really pissed her off with their lotions and potions.
I might message her and see if she wants to join the ranks.

maybe the amount of CC depends on the gap between the flounce and the return?

oh do encourage her wonderful - she might particularly like bot watch who is doing some sterling work on that side of things.

I suspect (knowing mumsnets core followers). I have shown some of the FL claims to medics and scientists and they veer between hysterical laughter and utter fury that their patients might be exposed to these products.

With half a mortgage to pay I once left a job when I discovered they were dodgy. They were a perfectly normal company and no warning signs from the outside - I picked up the issues from overhearing a couple of phone calls. I could not stay there once I knew.

good for you Twunk.
and I had v sharp words with someone who brought me a project proposal, I think I said something like 'that might be technically legal but it is not in the slightest bit ethical..... " . Think they quickly worked out the answer was a huge big no!

I missed off half a sentence up there! It was meant to say "I suspect (knowing mumsnet's core followers) that there is a substantial range of professionals commenting on or lurking on this thread"

Natasha. I don't think you're evil or that you mean harm. I can't think of any way that does not sound patronising to say this but I really hope that when you shake this fakery that currently controls you that you find your place. I know that you will think I'm a hater and that I don't understand but maybe, just maybe there's a chance that the haters actually have a point. I wish you well.

I know. I kind of plucked it out of the air because the explanation of the hierarchy/structure seemed to be.

In fact, all explanations of the pay and hierarchical structure by MLM participants read like gobbledygook to me.

I agree re critical thinking in schools - I know schools are expected to deal with so much but surely this is fundamental to how you approach all information you receive - establishing who is giving that info, why they are giving it, what bias(es) do they have, following the money, assessing scientific and health claims etc etc etc

Agreed clarinsgirl - I think Natasha sounds like a nice person, but even a nice person can make bad choices. The trick is recognizing that.

especially in this internet era twunk. I spend a lot of my job doing research on the internet, the key is to know which sites are actually trustworthy and even then to think critically.

agree clarinsgirl I would hope Natasha will find a way out in time and a way forward from all of this.

I think we all know that Natasha can't be honest on here, this is how she's making her living, I would think some FL bots are reading these threads and are in denial as to the amount they're really making

I would say to those FL bots, when you are sitting doing your accounts, to think very hard about your PROFIT. So, once you've taken all your expenses out, your start up costs, travel etc. What are you left with?

If the only way you can get your hands on that oversized cheque for £77 is by recruiting your friends of friends, then it's just not sustainable

Eyes sent you pm earlier today - received?