Can't Stop Won't Stop - MLM Botwatch (11) Now Featuring MLMers who don't answer questions, jokes, posts by eyes, questions about Forever Living, Ariix, Itworks, Younique etc as scambralamas978

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continued discussion of mlms!

Gosh.

I don't believe that Orchidnap.
Most large companies will have a life assurance policy, ie 2 to 4x salary payable on your death to nominated person.
So half pay for 10 years is probably similar, but paying a child a set amount each month would be an odd policy to have.

And FL doing this too? They're not even employees!

It's all been very quite from barnbot and our simian friend. I wonder if they are too busy throwing poop at their downlines to grace us with their presence.

We were specifically told a couple of years ago not to mention GOSH when advertising the aloe Vera gel. The hospital didn't want to be mentioned!

Someones upline isn't doing a very good job in directing that rep to what she can and can't say on social media.

The bushmans holiday of treats? A way of getting surplus stock bought to make up cc's? I don't get it.

And FL doing this too? They're not even employees!

We know all about this and it's not at all as represented. the children can take on the downline income if they maintain the monthly CC requirements.

orchid I can entirely believe this, however the obvious question is what wage?. As Fast says though someone else has to take up the gauntlet though, it's an utterly ridiculous claim and an attempt to provide some sort of "pension", when in actuality fact what you really have is a job with zero security!

AbolishFlobots the set amount for kids would be an annuity bought by the deceased pension fund, this benefit is common within final salary pension schemes.

the fl claims are shameful :(

i have woken to a flood of yonique bots on the local selling pages

orchid I think this person is very confused!
Can we just deconstruct this spiel for a moment .... Google's employee insurance "when an employee (note that word) dies (note that word also) they receive half pay for ten years and their children .... Etc.
Compare with Fl. "We get full pay (I would very much like to hear fl's definition of that) for the rest of our lives (well yes, that would be you working then, no mention of death or dying) all legal (how would it not be?) and willable (discussed previously on this thread - you can will someone else to work in your place)
But the bit I like best is the typo/Freudian slip money isn't everything but it doesn't give you piece of mind
(Apologies for length of post!)

LeanneBattersby what a great idea about FOI requests. There are many avenues we could take with that. Could we even FOI request FLHQ asking how many people have signed contracts in the last x number of years? How many active members there are?

We could even crowd fund the requests. On that note lazy man and money did eventually set up his go fund me page to fight his legal battles but does seem to be having some moral quandaries about it all. I'm sure le-vel has no such moral concerns about trying to destroy the guy.
www.lazymanandmoney.com

Good idea, ambler, but I'm not sure that commercial entities are subject to FOI legislation which is designed more for official and quasi-official organisations. (Someone could usefully check that one out before loads of people put finger to keyboard - I would need more caffeine before I checked.)

ambler21 In respect of 'MLM' racketeering, I have often posed the question:

What do we pay regulators and law enforcement agents for in the UK, when they clearly haven't regulated and they haven't enforced the law?

Some FOI requests to UK regulators and, but particularly to senior SFO agents, might be in order. I attempted to file complaints with SFO years ago, but the SFO ignored all the evidence that the 'Amway' racket alone had stolen hundreds of millions of £ from hundreds of thousands of UK citizens, and pretended that 'MLM' is a form of business which was already regulated and, therefore, does not come under its remit.

cozie
They aren't unfortunately, but perhaps as eyes says a few requests to regulators would be in order.

ambler

FOI requests are free to make and it is free to receive the information up to a cost limit of £600 for central government and £450 for all other public authorities

Thanks, Love. The regulators are in the frame fair and square though. You just need to identify the right organisation and contact - and make the request very plain and factual - it's potentially playing a pretty long game.

Thanks all. What a well informed bunch we have

Apart from campaigning to have the Fraud Act 2006 rigorously enforced in respect of 'MLM' rackets, I also think that we ought to start a campaign to introduce common sense Trading Schemes legislation, making it obligatory for all sponsors of trading schemes to disclose the actual overall results of their activities and making it a criminal offence to disclose any information in a form which cannot be easily understood.

If 'MLM' front companies, like 'FLP UK Ltd.,' had been obliged, on pain of closure, to publish the overall number of individuals who have been churned through these so-called 'income opportunities,' far fewer UK citizens would have fallen for them. That said, with access to this key-information, it would have been immediately obvious to the authorities that so-called 'MLM income opportunities' have, in fact, been economically unviable and, therefore, unlawful.

Blimey. Talk about playing long games!

You really need a legislative 'sponsor' for that one, Eye. You may have someone in mind of course but if so, it probably wouldn't be appropriate to disclose their identity here. At this stage, anyway.

Just discovered that Juice Plus are having their "National Leadership Convention" in my town this year. Because of the nature of my work I'm having reoccurring bad thoughts about crowds of bots trying to recruit me.

It is £40 ish to attend this charade.

cozietoesie If certain free advice had been heeded by senior DTI officials, and their political masters, common-sense measures could have been taken many years ago, and countless millions of £ would not have been stolen from millions of ordinary UK citzens. In reality, the UK legislative process has long-since been infiltrated by the de facto agents of US based 'MLM' racketeers and, consequently, no common-sense measures have been taken. According to its own documentation, this type of complex, high-value, international fraud and corruption is what the SFO was set up to combat, but according to the evidence (in the form of the SFO's own cost/ performance/ recovery figures), the SFO might as well not exist, because it actually costs more to run than it recovers and it has, therefore, effectively acted as an expensive advertisment for criminals to come to the UK. The chances of 'MLM' racketeers being held to account in the UK, have remained effectively zero.

The SFO has become a vast intelligence gathering agency mainly staffed by lawyers, but which does nothing with the intelligence it has gathered except sit on it.

My Tropic Bots are at the "Glammies" weekend. Have had lots of photos already of this Midsummer Nights Dream themed spectacle.
Rather amazingly you have to "win" the opportunity to attend. My bots must be special because all four of them won the opportunity.
I have asked one of them how much they paid but have not had a reply

That's as may be, Eye. I'd nonetheless recommend starting off fresh. Seemingly.

Did anyone not win the opportunity, flame?