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Can't Stop Won't Stop - MLM Botwatch (11) Now Featuring MLMers who don't answer questions, jokes, posts by eyes, questions about Forever Living, Ariix, Itworks, Younique etc as scambralamas978

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Melaw21 · 01/03/2016 14:56

continued discussion of mlms!

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workingwithchimps · 01/03/2016 15:39

Twunk - what you do is what you do - what I do is what I do, you don't like what I do - feel free to leave my kitchen whilst I cook, it's that simple! Nobody is making you eat the food....

sminkypink · 01/03/2016 15:40

Twunk and I bet you can keep your privacy on the internet. I too manage to run a business and promote it online without a single selfie. It does frighten me the way their upline encourages women (often single parents), into unsafe practise online. At what price #aloeshite ?

Melaw21 · 01/03/2016 15:47

tumbleweed

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sminkypink · 01/03/2016 15:47

I think the answer, Chimps is , we don't like what mlm does, we don't like the laws that they break. We no likey.

workingwithchimps · 01/03/2016 15:51

Sminky - I don't like taxes - but I still pay them - until a judge or the law say no - the wheel will keep turning - whether indeed you like it or not! -

Melaw21 · 01/03/2016 15:52

Trouble is chimps, you (mlm bots) ARE in our faces constantly... Forcing facebook posts, group invites, table top sales, leaflets, selfies, sales pitch at the school gate, come out for a coffee as I havent seen you in years etc... On us constantly... Your 'business' therefore is our business... Especially as we have lost good friends and family into its deceitful clutches. So you ARE forcing us to swallow your 'food', 'gloop' 'supplements' or whatever other crap you need to pretend to sell to build the pyramid.

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lastuseraccount123 · 01/03/2016 15:56

marking.

Paddybare · 01/03/2016 15:57

Sorry to go off on a slight tangent but can anyone remember the name of the personal trainer with the ranty video on YouTube about juice plus? There have been so many threads that I now can't the references to him.

Melaw21 · 01/03/2016 16:00

Pointless naming the PT, he has his own agenda...

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Patzy85 · 01/03/2016 16:00

Paddy he is called Richie Howey.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?storyfbid=962292223861175&id=625379420885792&refid=17&&ft=topplevelposttid.962292223861175%3Atlobjid.962292223861175

Apparently he is going after Forever Living next.

workingwithchimps · 01/03/2016 16:00

Melaws - Firstly Pyramids are illegal, secondly if you don't like my posts unfollow me - or block me, thirdly - rule of any business is in order to succeed and have a healthy business you have to promote it - if people don't know you exist - you will sell nada. I know this is very true - any freinds you have lost were not friends - merely acquaintances, as friends stick together no matter what! - if it takes a few products to split you friendship up - then you were not friends.. family... well that's your business not mine - the day I hold you down and make you eat, drink, wear or dress in any product is the day you can say this thread was factual and correct.

Twunk · 01/03/2016 16:01

To be fair Sminky I don't look good in the children's clothes so I try and keep my ugly mug out of it Wink

Chimps you are being exploited and in turn you are exploiting others. I care about people being conned. Plus what Melaw said - Bots came to me, not vice-versa.

Do you understand what I mean about communicating risk? Do you tell your downline that they are taking a risk? Do you mention the failure rate?

If I came to you now and asked why I should take Aloe (if that's what you sell? I don't know which MLM you subscribe to) what would you say? What are the benefits of the gloop?

Patzy85 · 01/03/2016 16:02

He does Melaw, but still think the comment section alone highlight just how everyone really feels about MLM.

Eyespying · 01/03/2016 16:03

workingwithchimps asks, * what are we playing?

MN members are not playing any game here, but we are challenging the controlled reality of persons who have been trained to play a 'negative vs positive' closed-logic game of make-believe, which predictably they absolutely deny exists, because the denial of the game's existence is actually an integral part of their closed-logic game as well as an indication that it is being played.

It's very interesting that we can describe this two-dimensional closed-logic game perfectly, but people who have been trained to play it are incapable of describing our own multi-dimensional thoughts explaining how this game has been used to enslave and rob people, and prevent them from complaining.

Paddybare · 01/03/2016 16:04

Thanks, I remember him appearing to be very narrow-minded with his own self-gloss agenda but wanted to show someone the video as well as these threads.

sminkypink · 01/03/2016 16:06

I think what he does is very good, I can forgive him his ego for that.

Toobusytowee · 01/03/2016 16:06

I suspect RH will just be criticising the C9, Argi + and the other sporting regimes and making fun of personal trainers who promote it. It might do some good but I bet he'll miss out on the pyramid aspect and the scam element. It's bigger than he thinks.

sminkypink · 01/03/2016 16:07

any friends you have lost were not friends - merely acquaintances
Absolutely chilling.

Melaw21 · 01/03/2016 16:08

Fairplay paddy and patsy thats a fair point... 😊. As for chimps, you typically make it all sound so simple and benign, whilst still deploying the old attraction marketing nugget of suggesting that those here who have lost friends here are at fault, not the mlm...

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lastuseraccount123 · 01/03/2016 16:10

in other words, anyone who doesn't support my MLM is a hater

boom.

chuckingstones · 01/03/2016 16:10

chimps I'm going to make a very considered response. From reading your replies so far it's clear you're successful at what you do (or at least you consider yourself successful), however the line you do keep repeating is that MLMs aren't for everyone. The problem is the people who try, and fail, invariably lose money, sometimes not much, sometimes alot. This is always going to be partially dependent upon the person themselves, but also dependent upon their upline and other bots that involved. By dependent I'm saying it's how much of a hook the other bots provide.

Now, I suspect there may be bots out there who spell out all the risks as well as the benefits and tell their downline to do their research before fully committing to the MLM, however if that is the case it's really not apparent. The reason everyone on here is so upset is that more often than not, bots peddle a load of half-truths e.g. Look at me and my brand new luxury home I've just moved into (which is rented), look at the lovely new car I've been able to get (which is leased), look at this lovely cheque I've just received for all my hard work (are they at all real?). The thing is the naive and the vulnerable will get pulled in by these half truths, as well as all the "miracle" claims about the products themselves. The reason so many people have asked you to prove your income is just because of what I've laid out above. I could rent a £400,000 house in the country, I could lease a big shiny new car (in fact I lease a small shiny new car), but it wouldn't be commensurate with the income I had, it would be a falsehood.

Now I've seen many bots say that they don't make health claims about the products, however there are always alot of implications "it worked for me on my xxx condition". Now admittedly you can't control what everyone on your downline claims, however as they are your downline (and I say your, but I mean any bot), you have to accept some responsibility as to how they behave, what claims they are making etc. But I think that it's far too easy to turn a blind eye, claim "how can I keep an eye on 5000 people?" and just essentially sit back and let the money roll in.

Most people's objections to MLMs are the way they essentially suck in and spit out people with no regards to their wellbeing. We all know that most of the products have little or no effect above and beyond what's available on the open market at a much lower price from well respected shops. All the implied benefits of the various MLM products are not backed up by any real scientific evidence, therefore rely on hearsay and experiences to back up their claims (something which is explicitly not allowed!) - this again gets our backs up especially as recommending certain products without proper medical cautions could potentially lead to very serious outcomes.

So all in all, the practice is flawed, so many people lose out and it's not purely down to it "not being for them", others who are made so many promises or implied benefits about the products lose out because they're just not true. Meanwhile those at the top of the food chain (summit of the pyramid?) pretty much wash their hands of anyone who isn't "pulling their weight", but do this behind closed doors whilst promoting how great the opportunity is (when most likely it isn't) with others in public so as to attract more people in, people who can't really afford to be in but are lured by the untruths.

Right, I've had my say, now time to relax Smile

workingwithchimps · 01/03/2016 16:11

Twunk - there is no exploitation in any way, I make my money and offer those a chance to make theirs if they so wish, I don't gamble or take risks, my bills get paid honestly and ethically - those in my downline the same. If you can't do what I do - do something else as you will be better served.

Melaw21 · 01/03/2016 16:11

As for blocking people... Its constant, every selling group I am on, every sponsored post I get, yet another new friend joining, my details passed on by a friend without my consent who then adds me to a group, approached in the playground etc... You cannot block all of that realistically can you?

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Citaborca · 01/03/2016 16:12

Hi, I'm currently a Forever Living Bot, but have been in Scentsy and Stampin Up, and I'm about to start with Jamberry when it launches. Hopefully I'm very honest, got my eyes open (most of the time) and happy to honestly answer questions.

throwingpebbles · 01/03/2016 16:14

chimps reminds me (in intellect and attitude) of a grumpy toddler shrieking for attention....
Maybe we should just leave her to get on with throwing out random chunks of the "script" and stamping her feet and continue our own discussions?

On which note (although maybe chimps would like to answer this...) how on earth does anyone sell foul tasting aloe gloop without breaching the law as so helpfully set out here

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