MLM BOT WATCH 9 - NOW FEATURING DESPERATE COUNTER PR BY MLMs who don't answer questions- lighthearted chat and posts by Eyes about NuSkin, Forever Living, Ariix, IT Works, and (insert name here)

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Note for newbies: "Downline" means people who are the lowest level of the pyramid/MLM scambralamabra.

Well this is rude, I asked Natasha and working my question directly and they both ignored me. I've been nothing but polite and interested.

What did you ask LM?

I have a question, to anyone who understands how it works, not necessarily natasha.

I keep seeing people say about paying money to you up line. How does the commission work? I assumed the company paid the commission.

So, in its simplest form, if bot 1 sells a bottle of gloop (my phone autocorrected gloop to gloom, which is also appropriate!) for £10, but wholesale price is £8, bot 1 keeps the £2 as their gross profit.

Bot 1's up line, bots 2 and 3 also make a cut of bot 1's sales? So bot 2 gets 50p and bot 3 gets 10p. Who pays bot 2 & 3 that money?? Surely it doesn't come out of bot 1's £2???

If it is the company paying the commission, then how is bot 1 paying money upwards??

Respect to eyes for putting up with this crap from "MLM adherents" for years having seen first hand the damage they have done to his family.

Everything he has said they would do and say has happened, it's amazing anyone would think they have been brainwashed!

Hello vego, I'll not bore people by posting it a third time, but if you scroll back to 21.31 yesterday it's all there. Thank you.

I also have a question for vego. You've said your downline is roughly 5000 people. You've also indicated that your monthly earnings are ballpark £8.5k. Thus each team member earns you roughly £1.70/month. Either your commission rates are really really rubbish, or most of your team don't contribute.

Morning everyone. Can I just say that our resident little claque of self-righteous 'MLM' shill Bots are typically tragicomic. They have proved that they are little better than wide-eyed children who take everything fed to them by their MLM handlers parents as Gospel, but who clearly don't know what they are really involved in, because they can't answer the most basic questions concerning the hidden overall quantifiable results of their respective 'MLM' cultic rackets. Furthermore, these child-like shill Bots don't want to know the truth, because the truth would destroy their group-related self-esteem. Their cult alter-egos have become dependent on absolute unquestioning belief in an unoriginal, reality-inverting, 'negative vs positive' totalistic narrative which constantly tells them that they are the 'positive' good guys who represent the truth. Sadly, these shill Bots are unable to recognise the truth, even when it falls on their heads.

It is absolutely fundamental to the full-understanding of what is really going on here, to know the exact number of ill-informed individuals who have been churned through any 'MLM' cultic racket since it was first instigated. Currently, the 'FLP racket is churning in excess of 2 millions ill-informed individuals annually, and it is estimated that at the very least, 40 millions ill-informed individuals have been churned through the 'FLP' racket since it was first instigated. The hidden overall rolling loss/churn rate for the 'FLP' racket, has been effectively 100%. Virtually everyone who is deceived today, will have quit five years hence.

Our resident shill Bots' non-rational reaction to these irrefutable facts, is to pretend that they can't possibly be true, and that, therefore, I am non-rational and filled with hatred. This reveals that external evidence-based reality has become quite literally unthinkable to these unfortunate persons, because their self-esteem, and related psychological function, have become dependent on a lie, but this predictable child-like reaction is absolutely classic of chronic cult adherents.

The fabulously wealthy US-based 'Mormon MLM' bosses who control these ill-informed British shill Bots' thinking and behaviour, set up their rackets behind mystifying jargon, mathematics and corporate labyrinths, designed to prevent, and/or divert, investigation and isolate them from liability. In other words, if there is an investigation in the UK, these shill bots will be dropped in the shit.

pinky

You're paid directly by Forever and not your downline. If little worker bee sells something, say £100 of products. Your sponsor is paid a % of that but to make it complicated it depends on what level both of you are at.

eg Sponsor is manager, worker bee is assistant supervisor (entry level with business in a box) The manager will be paid 13% of anything they sell/recruit

another example sponsor is manager, worker bee is supervisor (one above assistant supervisor) The manager will be paid 10% of anything they sell/recruit

another example Sponsor is manager, worker bee is assistant manager (one below manager) The manager will be paid 5% of anything they sell/recruit

Then it also changes once you break managers in your team too

eyes I have a little drinking game going where I have to have a shot of vodka every time you say 'tragicomic'. It's only 9am, go easy on me today, please

Yeah, total respect to you eyes! I see you in a whole new light! You must have the patience of a saint! Btw, does any have the tv stats? Would be fab to know what this little storm in a 'gilded teacup' has done to them! 😉.

Btw Chimps the way you just revealed your character took me right back... Fanks for the memories hun! Ahhh.. The good old days, they were fun right?

Pinstripey that is correct. I have nearly 5400 team members but not all of them are active, that is quite normal for MLM.

rayofhope I've had loads of puerile abuse directed at me over the years, but I don't let that worry me. Our resident 'MLM' shill Bots keep saying that I'm cold towards them and I treat them as if they not human. I above all people realise that they once were free-thinking individuals, but they have become controlled by a totalistic fiction. Once you understand this fiction, it is a mistake to take anyone controlled by it, too seriously. You will observe that I generally try to avoid addressing 'MLM' shill Bots directly, but the moment they indicate a willingness to return to reality, I'm ready to help them as much as possible and treat them with kindness and respect.

Clear as mud ray as expected ☺ how are they paying a % upwards (no idea if you have said that btw, but thank you for answering :))

throwingpebbles Steady with the vodka. It's a good word to describe this though, and I'll try to be more sparing with it for the sake of your liver.

I'm not sure how people can get to the 'top of their game' and still not fully understand the company they work for. "I don't know enough to answer that" is a rather poor response.

In other news, local bot (has full time job and has been doing FL for 4 months) now wears suits.

Suits.

To be fair to you eyes the performance of our visitor bots last night was tragicomic. . I would have assumed they would have researched their organisation a bit and come in with some intelligent answers rather than jumping straight into the throng with nothing more than a carbon copy sob story and their tired scripts for ammunition

In other news... Ok, old news... But just came across this old telegraph article about herbalife, doesnt it pretty much describe all the other mlms in one form or another? Intersting read even though it is a tad old.

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/10935129/Herbalife-boasts-big-rewards-for-sellers-but-is-it-a-pyramid-scheme.html

Pinkandstripey, a purchase is made by a customer, the difference between wholesale and cost price is kept by the bot. The money paid to FLP for the product is then shared about to various uplines. The bottom bot doesn't physically give the money to the uplines, FLP do it. It is the bot paying their upline via FLP.

They aren't pink! they are chucking it down down down into the "reverse funnel" all the way to a homophobic Mormon in Utah

Ps. Have you forgotten about all the costs for training/websites/ more training/success days/leaflets/brochures?
And who did the work to sell that product on which über bot is getting paid commission? Oh that's right, the downline!

Thanks Melaw21.

LM I remember seeing your post now. If I am honest, I have no idea what my hourly rate is. There are so many variables, and like I said before I do everything from social media, so I have no travel expenses, don't go to events, no childcare fees. I only purchase products, that have already been bought beforehand by my customers. My expenses are very low for this reason.

For the last 6 months, my income has steadily been increasing. I work silly hours, so my current hourly rate probably doesn't average out to be that remarkable if you was to look at my 2015 objectively (I started Jan 2015). But, I am only mid twenties: No one in my social circle earns what I do so I dont feel hard done by with the situation at all. I would do it all again.

The income disclosure I posted from ItWorks (for example) did quite clearly state most people make around 600 dollars (?) in their first year with the company. And one of my friends who is a presidential diamond with Itworks, posts that at the bottom of every single Facebook recruiting post she makes. But even with that income disclosure, she is still a top recruiter.

And another about arbonne... Sorry if these have been osted previously, but they might be a useful read for any newbies who are interested 😊

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/andrew-penman-arbonne-looking-people-3052814

throwingpebbles Remember, these 'MLM' shill bots are absolutely confident that they can get the better than anyone on these threads. They are used to being surrounded by unquestioning believers.

vegodoll " so I have no travel expenses, don't go to events" I find this very hard to believe. Do your downline go to events? They will be strongly encouraged to do so as that is where the money is made by the MLM/upline. You would be expected to lead such behaviour such that your downline duplicate it.

(As I have stated, if you have 5k downline and they all pay £30 a quarter for the SuccessDay, that's £600k pa! That's where the money is and you and I and everyone here knows that.)

Everything that VegoDoll keeps repeating, is revealed as puerile BS, when you know the real hidden results of the 'NuSkin' racket. Exactly like 'FLP,' there have been quite literally tens of millions of ill-informed individuals who were deceived into handing their money to the mob of 'Mormon MLM' racketeers who control 'NuSkin.'

'VegoDoll' is just a shill pretending that anyone can make money in 'MLM,' when self-evidently, that's a big lie.