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MLM BOT WATCH 9 - NOW FEATURING DESPERATE COUNTER PR BY MLMs who don't answer questions- lighthearted chat and posts by Eyes about NuSkin, Forever Living, Ariix, IT Works, and (insert name here)

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lastuseraccount123 · 23/02/2016 17:38

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Note for newbies: "Downline" means people who are the lowest level of the pyramid/MLM scambralamabra.

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CubicZirconiaBB · 24/02/2016 00:33

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workingwithchimps · 24/02/2016 02:33

Melaw21 - took me a while but finally figured out who you are - especially as you dropped some self appreciation clangers along the way - the tech guys slip up also helped with the clues as well - so obvious now why there's a gate in the path.... Thank you Wink

Melaw21 · 24/02/2016 05:59

Gosh darn it chimps sounds like you got me! What shall I do! 😱

Melaw21 · 24/02/2016 06:01

Eeeeek! chimps Does this mean you will be popping over for a cuppa #bestie? Sooo excited! Must have kept you busy that one!

Toobusytowee · 24/02/2016 07:16

Last, I will put up the email addresses for reporting bogus health claims to the government body, once I know that it is actually a useful exercise. Once they get back to me about the prolific poster I reported and something is actually done I will put the info out there.

stopfaffing · 24/02/2016 07:20

Good morning all ,

Do you remember how this all started for a lot of us, with thread 1, a plaintive cry from kindergartenkop, on the 3rd June last year about being sucked into foreverliving?

How our collective disquiet grew as we delved into the murky depths of FL and then onto MLM business practices generally. How we came to understand the truly monstrous nature of what was standing and functioning across most of the world as well as the UK, in plain sight.

FL operates like a pyramid scheme but how the hell can pyramid-type schemes still be operating in the UK, apparently successfully sucking in downlines left, right and centre?

Where are the business regulators who should be protecting consumers?

How can FL get a Investors in Business Award?

What exactly is the Direct Selling Association? (that FL are a member of and which they say gives them legitimacy Hmm)

These questions and more began to be researched by individuals reading the thread and eventually we began to find answers. They threw up even more questions though and, before we knew it the first thread spawned a second one, then a third, fourth and, well you get the picture.

To Natasha and Emma and others who have come on this thread in an attempt to justify their businesses, the fact is that, since the first thread was started quite innocently back in June 2015, quite a lot of knowledge and understanding has been gained about MLM business practices, none of it good for almost 100% of adherents, I regret to say.

This is why we are here today shining a light on these dubious businesses and is precisely why you have failed to use your usual persuasion techniques that work so well when you are talking to prospective bots;they don't work here.

We know too much.

We know more than you, in fact.

We see the whole picture, and it's pretty dreadful no matter how you view it Sad.

couldn't on the previous thread stated that we were not making a difference and that MLMs were still active and thriving in the UK and worldwide. If that is the case, what's the problem? Leave us alone to waste our time raising awareness, we are not harming anyone, are we?

vego at one point on the previous thread raised that old chestnut comparing the general business model hierarchy (CEO, directors, regional managers, area managers, managers, supervisors etc hierarchy) with the MLM pyramid type model that we so abhor. He/she cited that the MLM model was better because any bots could climb the hierarchy and make more money/be successful.

However, we cannot compare the two models because they are vastly different. Pyramid schemes rely on recruitment of bots to recruit other bots to recruit other bots etc all. These recruits all pay money to their uplines. Therefore only those uplines at the top stand any chance of making any net income (after all expenses are taken out). "Upper" downlines will also make an income from their downlines but sadly their expenses will often mean they are left with a negative net income.

Only those downlines with other residual income (either from their partner or other businesses) will stay the course and attempt to gain that just out of reach future income they are continually promised from their MLM bosses at the top of the pyramid.

This is all beautifully, if horrifically, illustrated by Merchants of Deception a book written by a very "successful" member of Amway.

I was very surprised to read vego's comparison of these two vastly different business models to be honest, because he/she came across as someone with some intelligence. However, I remembered that this comparison is always used to try and persuade doubters who have been introduced to MLM. It probably works for people who have not had the opportunity to do their own research, and also, if a 'friendship' has been forged by vego and their prospect, their prospect will assume that vego is being honest and would not exploit their friendship.

Oops, MLMs exploit friendships and familes all the time Angry.

throwingpebbles · 24/02/2016 07:29

How many times do I have to tell you stopfaffing.....it's not a pyramid scheme it's a reverse funnel Grin

MLM BOT WATCH 9 - NOW FEATURING DESPERATE COUNTER PR BY MLMs who don't answer questions- lighthearted chat and posts by Eyes about NuSkin, Forever Living, Ariix, IT Works, and (insert name here)
throwingpebbles · 24/02/2016 07:31

melaw if chimps does pop round, don't forget to invite ALL of us Smile

stopfaffing · 24/02/2016 07:32

Bugger off, throwing Grin.

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Melaw21 · 24/02/2016 07:39

Totally pebbles you are always welcome here at the pink windmill! Dont forget I will be throwing a success partaii for my teamies soon, you can all come and bask in my glory, admire my rented dream home, drink tea from my gilded tea cups and imagine yourself living MY dream! It will be a fab little thank you for all your hardwork and worship of me!... You #inspire me everyday huns, if it it wasnt for you I wouldnt be where I am! Wait... What?

fastdaytears · 24/02/2016 07:44

working you have quite the stamina. Online on FB at 2.31 this morning and you're up already.
Are these normal hours for your business?

throwingpebbles · 24/02/2016 07:45

chimp could you try saying that again in a comprehensible sentence please?

Melaw21 · 24/02/2016 07:47

Oh thats a shame chimps! Would have loved a proper catch up too! Pleased its all going so well for you though 😉

nextyearrodney · 24/02/2016 07:51

Morning all. Catching up on the chat I missed yesterday I see everyone has been busy. Funny how Natasha didn't answer certain questions no matter how many times they were politely asked.

I think it would be a good idea to list out those questions all in one nice helpful post.

nextyearrodney · 24/02/2016 08:01

Its interesting reading back over Natasha's posts and watching the tone change as she gets flustered when her answers don't convince the audience. She clearly had not read all the earlier threads or she would have realised that only 100% truthful answers are wanted here and we can't stomach smoke and mirrors fluff AND we can see right through it.

I prefer Natasha's more polished style of delivery to chimps rough edged rants though. Probably says something about the different approaches they take when looking for new recruits.

chuckingstones · 24/02/2016 08:02

Delurking here...working I genuinely think you need to go back to bed and get some more sleep, that last post didn't make too much sense and if anything sounded a bit threatening! Whereas Vego and Barnbot did at least try and provide some helpful answers, you seem to have stuck around to do the opposite.

So, back to bed with you, maybe you could use a #parslai incense burner to help you sleep? disclaimer whilst this works for me it may not work for everyone #justsayin'

Annie65 · 24/02/2016 08:07

Phew, go out a couple of hours and come back to a new thread on page 13. What!!!!!! Anyway, marking my place on page 16. #gottabearecord.Grin

fastdaytears · 24/02/2016 08:14

Don't mind chimp she's upset because someone used her hashtag and didn't get her permission

Melaw21 · 24/02/2016 08:15

Whats the betting we get some new bots along today to fill up this thread! Come along folks it'll be good for s#ts and giggles! waves* 👋

Melaw21 · 24/02/2016 08:15

fastday 😂😂😂😂

rayofhope · 24/02/2016 08:28

I'm not sure if Natasha will be back? It was nice to see that she came forward but feel there are a few of the questions she could have answered although the thread was moving extremely quickly!!

I have a few......

I know that the 1cc through your account can be personal and customer sales but during all my trainings (and I'm in the downline of one of the top cheque earners) why are we then taught to personally use 1cc?

I really struggled with this (after all its approx £160) was it all a lie from the top ones, that they don't even use this much as you said yourself you only spend £60 per month (which to be fair is still a shitload on toiletries and drinking gel) or do you class your £60 as the total amount your family uses?

When you plan your new recruits to manager and volume map them, how much do you get them to put down as their personal use?

I see you qualified for SA, you're in the 1500cc bracket. Is this your first year?

Also, I'm not sure if you've hear of this guy, but please do read his story. His (ex) wife is still in Forever though. Not sure if there is a connection (wouldn't want to jump to conclusions) but I don't see her on the qualifying global rally list this year. Wonder if that's because Craig isn't funding it anymore?

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throwingpebbles · 24/02/2016 08:32

You are probably right melaw Grin

Well I'm feeling kind, so to help any new bots out here are some tips for success here:

  1. don't make veiled/overt threats - it doesn't exactly help your company image
  2. don't throw personal insults at eyes...he's our friend! And what's more according to Melaw rumour has it he looks very hot in his magic pants
  3. your whole "story" about how FL saved you from penury/ a stressful life as a police call centre operative officer is just a bit . It's clearly been practised to tedium
  4. it would be best not to say "ask me anything" if you are then just going to repeatedly ignore the tricky questions. If you keep choosing not to answer these that tells us an awful lot....
  5. I know it is obligatory to have a glass of wine by your laptop at all times ready for those #workingfromhome selfies, but learn from chimps and don't slowly chug your way through several bottles worth or you just come across as deranged
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Mootpointer · 24/02/2016 08:36

Wow, I pop away for a long weekend ( no, not Success day) and come back to all this ( extends arms) thank you.
Catching up big time. Carry on...Grin

rayofhope · 24/02/2016 08:36

eyes over the years you must have taken some abuse from all the mlmers