MLM BOT WATCH 7 - lighthearted chat and posts by Eyes about Younique, Forever Living, Ariix, It Works, NuSkin, Stella and dot and [insert name of new MLM from Utah here]

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Kathy, don't worry too much about eyes, he is a deep expert and he just likes to keep us all right and correct us when he thinks we've misunderstood something. He doesn't mean to upset anyone.

We all understood what you were trying to say and I do agree that not all of them seem to have the cult element or the crazy cancer curing products. They do all steal from the distributors however, which I suppose is why eyes is saying that in his opinion it is still dangerous.

Well put darcey , hear hear

eyes we think you are great but please be gentle with people as well, kathy was just sharing her personal experience. And I think it is a fair point that there are differing shades of grey and some MLMs are marginally less awful than others

I've been reading (lurking) for a long long time, so I know how passionate Eyespying is about the subject, as well as very knowledgeable.

Just frustrating to be shut down and patronised in that manner (whether it was meant to be patronising or not, and I suspect it wasn't meant.

I will go back to lurking and supporting via the TV FB page instead. I have nothing else to add anyway!

If we're not careful we are going to sound as brain washed as the MLM bots

I know there needs to be a bit of the serious, but we have a separate thread for it. Maybe a link to it when someone wants to post a serious post?

Stay Kathy. You were just giving an account of your experience with your friend. Nothing wrong with that at all.

throwingpebbles Did you look at the 'Jamberry' propaganda video I posted previously, featuring the succession of rapturous core-adherents breaking down and weeping, because they believe they have found salvation?

The key-test as to the danger of all these so-called 'MLM income opportunities,' is what would be our reaction if someone we care about, suddenly came to us and announced that he/she was just about to sign up.

Essentially, all I'm saying is that from the evidence I've recovered (not what I've been told by an anonymous third party), 'Jamberry' has exhibitted some of the characteristics of a cult, and on that evidence alone, it shouldn't be touched with a barge pole.

A classic.....

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Jeez, Eyespying, it's just nail wraps and I bought some from a friend.......

That video I found no different to many corporate style videos, although it did get a bit much when it got to all of the tear-jerking stuff. But, I've worked for several major corporate companies in the past, and about once a year we would all get sat in a theatre or conference centre and have similar 'emotionally provoking' videos played to us to get us to connect with our brand....... really, they were very similar. Those kind of emotional tricks are not confined to MLMs.

Anyway, sorry, I get Dolly's point about keeping it lighthearted, so will stop (like I said I would!).

Wasn't aimed at you Kathy

Eye please could you tone it down or put those kind of posts on your other thread?

This is the LIGHTHEARTED thread

Kathy thanks for sharing this. I don't know anything about Jamberry-eyes has clearly done his research though. I expect his passion and personal experience shine through and perhaps make his sound patronising at times-sorry eyes! Anyway I know what you are saying as I was a 'normal' FL distributor and tried never to make any kind of outlandish claims about the products. I actually still like some of them but then again it's hard to make a medical claim about lipgloss! I joined because my upline seemed to be 'normal' about it as well and didn't seem to be exhibiting any 'cultish' tendencies. There are plenty of us who only saw it as a hobby, my problem was with the company, which seems to refuse to recognise that it can be a hobby and constantly harps on about recruitment. If Jamberry is the same I'd say it won't be long before your friend is pressured into recruiting. It will be interesting to see, please stay and keep us posted.

Kathy thank you for your input - i appreciated it!

Eyespying your attitude to others leaves a lot to be desired. I know there are MN members who have left this thread because of your attitude. Your obsession and blinkeredness to everyone else and their feelings is encroaching on botness......

please think about it and remember this is a friendly light hearted thread....

Jeez Kathysclown pray do tell us which one of the 'several major corporate companies' you worked for, felt the need to teach its employees how to dispell the accusation that they were working for a pyramid scheme?

glowgirlsteam.blogspot.fr/2014/08/how-to-answer-pyramid-scheme-question.html

is there a bangs head emoticon?

I think, though, there are ways of saying that jamberry (or anything else) may not be as benign as it appears without alienating people.

Lots of people are likely to encounter the benign face of MLMs. They see a friend who is selling the product and they may even quite like the product. They often won't feel pressurised into anything because lots of people don't do any hard sell or feel weird about trying to recruit friends.

Kathysclown was simply saying that's how she experienced jamberry. And it isn't fair to make her feel silly for that.

There are better ways of explaining that there are worrying things going on behind the friendly face of the MLM.

Incidentally, I don't agree that you can separate out the 'serious' bits. It's all a bit meaningless without a bigger point. Indeed, I think it's important to mock the organisation and the structure (and all that arises from it) but ideally without alienating those at the bottom of the pyramid who are just trying to make a little extra money.

WonderousStories How much more evidence does one have to post before the penny finally drops?

Eyespy my love - you are preaching to the converted....we know what is going on. thats why we are here and why some of us are working in the background.

stop alienating the people who are on your side.....you are putting really good folk off....

Gotta say I agree with eyes on this one.

I have a lot of US jamberry friends on my FB and to me the tactics look the same - I've been invited to a bunch of online parties, the endless oMG Jamberry has changed my liiiiiiiiiife posts, etc then it all fades away when it doesn't go anywhere.

I dunno. Looks like the usual MLM shite to me?

Eyespying: the problem is you are coming across with a similar evangelical zeal to those you are criticising on here.

The fact is, it's not as simple as you present. If the MLMs were only exactly as you describe them, they'd fail. They can only succeed because it's more complex. People encounter them through well meaning friends and acquaintances and I'd imagine that most people's experiences are somewhere between Kathy's liking the product and finding it all a bit of fun and the various descriptions of avoiding and evading someone whose gotten a bit too sales heavy.

Many of those involved don't get in too deep either.

So while there are serious problems with the whole MLM industry and the ethics of those who set them up are questionable at best, that's not the whole story.

Presenting the bots as bogeymen doesn't help.

Eyes, take a break, have a drink, and chill ;)

over 20,000 views on the blog.

in other news, we have another ex-bot step forward and is willing to allow his/her Pms be part of a post. Stay tuned.

Also planning a post about the fear MLMs create in their ex-bots. Because FU MLMs!

jamberry makes me think of this...

Eyespying - I didn't say that any of the corporates that I worked for felt the need to dispel the myth they were working for a pyramid scheme.

I said that they all produced videos that were intended to be emotionally connecting, making the large impersonal business seem more personal and engaging, in the hope that the employees would connect more with the brand. So, videos would often have interviews with cherry-picked employees who would share personal stories about their 'journey' at work, how life changing their jobs/projects had been blah blah blah - tears sometimes featured. My point being that the techniques used in the video are fairly common, and not exclusive to MLMs. That doesn't mean that they are 'good', just that they are often used.

Some of those companies would be Vodafone, Centrica, Unilver......

But, this is going off the point of MLMs, and more into how businesses (or any size and structure) can try to manipulate both workforce and customers.