MLM-BOT WATCH - continuing the talk about Juice +, Forever Living YOunique Arbonne

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cozietoesie The comparison which ex-cult adherents often make, is with rape victims. They usually say, I feel like I've been 'spiritually' or 'psychologically' raped.

I'm not an ex-cult adherent, but when I first realzed that I'd been manipulated and cheated by cultic racketeers in the USA who were controlling my brother and my mother, I was initially floored. It is the most awful feeling to know that these gruesome creeps have been able to get inside your family and tear it to pieces just to make money.

I'm not sure that anyone fully-recovers from a major brush with a cult, victims or the victims' friends and relatives.

Another interesting find - DSA amended code of ethics makes for fascinating reading.
thompsonburton.com/mlmattorney/2016/01/13/amended-dsa-code-of-ethics/

This lawyer is on fb and posts some interesting stuff from time to time.
www.facebook.com/mlmlegal/

Mootpointer - Mr. Thompson has made his living by setting up 'MLM' front companies. In the wake of the ongoing 'Herbalife' investigation, he is currently pretending that 'MLM' is a perfectly legal way of selling goods and services, but that 'MLM' has attracted all sorts of shady characters and practises. Mr.Thompson has insisted that 'MLM' companies can be best regulated and reformed by themselves, and by ethical trade associations like the DSA.'

Mr. Thompson is full of jargon-laced 'MLM' bullshit and he's been a regular paid speaker at 'MLM' pay-through-the-nose-to-enter, orgies of deluded self-gratification.

It seems I underestimated how prevalent Ariix or The Opportunity Business is in the uk. A quick search on Twitter gives you a wealth of information on events and distributors.

mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/TheOpportunityCompany?src=hash

James Lavelle a former Juice Plus speaker/promoter is now suggesting this mlm is the best thing since sliced bread. He's joined by other Manchester based guest speakers in peddling this opportunity round the country.

As was pointed out at this Birmingham event last month on the 16th of January the Coopers were selling their pro planner to those in attendance.

Gimlet1984 - As various MN members have already worked out, 'Ariix' is one of the post-world-economic-crisis, new generation US-based 'MLM Income opportunity' rackets. The slick, big-budget Hollywood-style 'doom vs salvation' propaganda driving ill-informed persons into up-dated destructive groups like 'Ariix,' doesn't necessarily name specific 'MLM' cults.

The general message is designed to terrify potential victms into believing that the traditional world of work is coming to an end, and everyone is going to get thrown on the scrap heap. That is, if they don't drop dead of a heart attack first.

MLM is shown as the only means by which the ordinary human can lift him/herself, and his/her family, out of the path this looming economic, and social, Armageddon.

Amongst the wooden 'MLM' racketeers, and apologists, who appear in this creepy propaganda movie, is the 'MLM' shyster 'Attorney,' Kevin Thompson.

Wow Eyes that is insane! I'm sorry but I'm afraid I've had to come to the conclusion that they are all thick. Everyone in the world can't jump on the MLM bandwagon, how will anything get done or made, and there would be no one left to recruit. The whole idea is just stupid and for some bizarre reason all of these people believe this crap.

darceybussell - At one time, I would have agreed with you, but the most fanatical bullshit swallowing and regurgitating Bots are anything but thick.

In the 1990s, my brother (who was previously a University educated teacher and sceptical atheist) became totally convinced that within 10 years all supermarkets, and traditional manufacturers, would be finished in the UK, because the 'Amway MLM' business model was taking over.

Down the centuries there have been plenty of humans who have fallen for essentially the same 'End is Nigh' bullshit. It's always been tailored to fit the spirit of the age.

In its most extreme form, the doom vs salvation 'MLM' fairy story, is just Millenialism up-dated and rebranded to fit the spirit of our age (and to make mountains of money).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism

Just to prove my point, and to give MN members a much needed laugh, this classic sketch could be easly updated to take the piss out of 'MLM' Millenialism.

I know a little way back in the thread there was talk of actually real life accounts/turnover by these FL bots and one thing that seemed clear was that they've been quite vague about actual amounts.

Well in a fb post today by a bot she has said that she and her team have retailed £11764 this month and tags 24 team members. The response from others seems to imply that this is an outstanding amount.

So each team member on average has sold just under £500 of products - but what does that actually give them in hard earned cash?

Not a lot I bet.

That averages at 2.9cc each Norbert. That's not enough for them to be classed as 'active' and they're supposed to spend 1cc each anyways.

Works out at around £120 profit each.

Forever Living is, as always, doing very well out of it though!

NorbertDentressangle When Bots use the words: 'sold' or 'retailed,' this is not a traditional use of the English language. Thought-stopping 'MLM' jargon has to be decrypted, whilst there is never any quantifiable evidence supporting any claims made by Bots.

In this case, a Bot has said that 24 Bots have retailed £11764 of products in a month, but if you start to decrypt this unsubstantiated statement, a very different picture emerges.

For a start, who exactly were the final buyers of these (effectively unsaleable products): non-salaried commission agents under contract to' FLP' (motivated by the false-exectation of future reward) or members of the general public (motivated by value and demand)?

Was this £11764 figure, the ammount of money that was handed over to 'FLP' by the 24 Bots in one month for the wampum products at 'wholesale' price, or has this Bot systematically included the suggested retail profit-margin in this figure?

Remember, since common-sense dictates that these Bots had to be the main buyers of the wampum themselves; then virtually no suggested retail profit margin has actually been paid.

From a recent MLM-bot-infestation of our FB local Jobs group (happily now expunged!)

This one was new to me. (Kick-off your new life in a dingy Woking hotel :))

Thought as much!

X'd posts - sorry, that was to Patzy and Eyespying

I think that's probably quite good to be honest Norbert. It seems that most don't even make that. Every bit who doesn't do the 4cc consecutively only beneifits from the lowest profit %. No bonus. No recognition.

I think a lot of people get in to it thinking they'll just do the retail aspect but the reality is that it doesn't pay because it isn't designed that way.

XenuI - It's all frighteningly familiar. In 80 years, only the price of entry has changed.

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I've watched plenty of the training videos now, I'm so throroughly versed I feel I could make my own (and I don't think I'd need to read off a script blu taked to a cupboard at the other side of the room either).
So I'm moving onto the books that they all tout about, (know thy enemy eh?)
So, my first stop is the usenet newsgroups, to see what's available to download. And yes, there is some content, meeting notes, training notes, how to read people and personalities all kinds of things.
But answer me this: Why is some of the mlm/network marketing training material hosted/tagged and named in the same newsgroups that host training materials for PUA (pick up artists, go look it up, horrible, grossly unethical and often pro rape/pro abuse).
Some of what I've found claims/appears to be able to be used by both PUA and MLM con artists.
Isn't it sinister that one goes after young vulnerable women in order to trick them into sex and the other goes after young vulnerable women in order to trick them into handing over their money?
The more I dig and research beneath the gloss and the hype, the grimmer it looks.

...Well the veil of the temple's always rather dodgy...

Thank you, Eye. It's a goodly time since I've seen that and it bears another viewing.

Something under £12k between 24 people being lauded? Lawksamussy.

Just been Googling the prices of Reviive. (Ariix shampoo brand) £23 for a 300ml bottle.
To quote the bots.. eeeeeeeeeeeek
Compare it to Faith In Nature shampoo, (also organic, free of sls, parabens, artificial anything), which is £5.29 for 300ml.
And Slenderiiz (they are homeopathic diet drops, no I am not shitting you) :D
Two tiny little bottles weigh in at around £110.
Can't compare it to anything out there as this is a new level of bullshit not seen before.
Once again, eeeeeeek!
In order for the snake oil diet drops to work you need to follow at 1250 calorie a day diet.
No wonder you have to be mindsetted to fuck first, in order to be convinced that these drops actually work..

sminkypink Organized crime networks in Eastern Europe have been luring young women into slavery/prostitution which essentially identical, but far less sophisticated, techniques as those used by all 'MLM' racketeers.

The standard approach has been to use media-advertising leading to other respectable-looking girls, and/or older women, as bait to convince vulnerable poor victims that they will have well-paid regular jobs in glamorous Western European cities in: nightclubs, bars, modelling agencies, etc. Once inside the trap, the girls' are cut off from the outside world. Their passports are seized and they are made dependent on their handlers for food and shelter. Trauma brainwashing, sleep deprivation, protein restriction, drugging, beatings and repeated rapes have also been used to break the girls. Confidential information about the victims' families is gathered and the girls are in almost all cases, controlled by the use of actual, or threats of, violence against themselves and their loved-ones.

The control wielded over them is so strong, that when given the opportunity to escape, many of these girls have refused.

Ariix does seem to be MLM with bells on, I wonder how close they will sail to the wind, legally speaking?

£23 for shampoo. Is that some sort of joke?

How do they honestly justify these prices. I'm not cheap, I'm happy to use high end brands but they don't even cost that much.

It's sickening actually, they feel that these prices are a reflection of quality but we KNOW that is not true.

You're not buying shampoo in essence though. You're buying - if you're caught - the warm buzzy feeling you get from the 'approbation' of the person selling it. (Plus some initial relief from the messages stopping and - possibly - a soothing of conscience for this 'friend'.)

Patzy85 There's an 'MLM' racket running in Scadinavia called 'Zinzino'. This has used famous brand coffee products from Belgium, but which are not available in traditional retail outlets in Scandinavia.

Rombouts coffe, and coffee machines and capsules, can be bought on the Net, and delivered to the door of anyone in Scandinavia, for a mere fraction of the exorbitant fixed prices charged by the 'Zinzino' racketeers.

Obviously, even though it does get used, the real underlying motivation for buying this commodity, has been the false-expectation of future reward.

'Zinzino' is ostensibly fronted by a Norwegian guy who is the son of a former Nowegian government Minister. However, the cult seems to be controlled by Mindset Masters in the USA. The front company has been traded on the Swedish Nasdaq, but an attorney in the Swedish Financial Crimes Authority has told me no laws are being broken.

This official claim is bullshit, and I've had relatives and friends of 'Zinzino' cult victims contacting me, to tell of their nightmare experiences.

I have a good friend who does Utility Warehouse. He posted on Facebook yesterday that he'd donate 10% of his earnings for the year to Children In Need in memory of Terry Wogan (who presented the video they make you watch when they're trying to sign you up).

I thought this was a lovely gesture until another UW person on my friends list (who is not part of my friend's team/network and to my knowledge doesn't know my friend at all) posted an almost identical status!

Still a nice gesture but it does lose its sincerity somewhat!