MLM bot watch - Continued discussion of the network marketing companies Forever Living, Herbal Life, Juice Plus etc as a pyramid scheme or scam

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Still continuing the discussion of the various network marketing schemes or multi-level marketing schemes (MLMs) that people we know are involved in.

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I do remember when Scientology began to be blown apart. Lets face it, it is ridiculed now and does not seem to have the power it once had. I can't be alone in having downloaded all the top secret auditing documents when they were leaked? I think the FLP training documents ought to be hosted somewhere, with analysis. Once you can see how scripted, cold and contrived it is, it loses its power and mystique.

I'll be following both threads
Both very interesting

Are we talking UK? So thanks to a currency calculator greater than (around) £70,000

LittleMissStubborn - Greater than around £300 000 and complete with documentary evidence to back it all up.

Dying to read it, Eye.

I think that the two threads are a great idea. Both are equally important.

There are simply no words.

I feel like I should join this thread but I think at the beginning of this it was very mrs to call out Natasha shingles like that. I felt like I personally had to defend her. I don't know her however, by chance my friend is her 'up line' and I see stuff about her drip onto my news feed. I saw the 'I gave up right to buy' post and I thought 1) it was obvious it was rented 2) it was as typos thing to do.

I tried forever living. Kind of. A lady was selling this 'earn shitloads' idea when I needed more money. I'm naturally dubious and when I found out it was a lot to join I refused to pay it. I tried to sell stuff using her company instead of signing up for my own. I sold two clean 9s. That was it. I didn't sign up. I did do a clean 9. I lost a lot of weight and was happy. I didn't put it back on for a long time.

Anyway, I'm part of their group from when I potentially signed up. I see all the negatives and positives. I see their bonus statements. I see their free holidays. I see their bitchy comments about people who can't handle the clean 9.

My friend from my hometown that I mentioned earlier joined later. She is doing really well. It does work for some people. It doesn't work for others.

I also once did a Herbalife diet. It was such shit I asked for my money back. I was told... "you have to send it back to me. Once I receive it, I send it on to hq. After twenty days they give me the refund. Then I'll give it to you via bacs which will take 3-5 days." I told her to stick it.

Oh also, there seems to be a massive drive of it in my hometown now so my newsfeed is full of mutual friends of hometown friend and six degrees of separation. The all arrange bargain bonanzas and I'll get 10 notifications, get excited and see that the 'event' they've created and not yet rejected sends me a notification whenever they post a new deal.

Also, lots of cheesy 'this is me wearing my new aloe lip gloss' 'this is my new work space. Positive frame of mind etc.' One has joined a luxury spa and posts photos of prosecco and the jacuzzi 'just doing my weekly business plan'

sminkypink - 'Scientology' was ridiculed far more when it first appeared than it has been lately.

The fact that Scientology seemed to be so absurd, actually protected it. The FBI's 1950s file on Hubbard had him as a crackpot rather than a dangerous criminal. He kept approaching the FBI himself to denounce his imagined enemies as 'Soviet spies.'

In the days when the Scientology racket was known as the 'Dianetics Foundation,' L Ron Hubbard organised a public meeting to present the world's first 'Dianetics Clear' to the world.

Hubbard brought a young woman on stage in a large auditorium and proudly announced to the crowd that after following his 'New Dianetics Auditing Therapy' she now had perfect physical, and mental, health, her IQ had increased and she had a vastly improved memory, etc. Hubbard, was standing behind his 'Clear,' so a journalist shouted out, don't turn round darling, but what colour tie is Mr. Hubbard wearing?

The 'Clear' was unable to reply and the crowd fell about laughing. After that Hubbard gave up holding public meetings.

Eye, excellent work on the whistleblowing. Looking forward to hear more!

Fast, I agree, it does take a lot of courage to speak out. Well done whoever you are, it is much appreciated.

iammissrabbit that relates to case credits (the internal value of each product or 2cc if you recruit someone) all these guys will get big chairmanship bonus cheque in April. Rolf Kipp got $1.2 million in 2015

Oh ok, thanks for clarifying!

Eyespying, yes Ive read a few Scientology books. But I read a ton of women's mags (I work in fashion) and it is definitely laughed at, now. But no mention of mlm. There needs to be....

sminkypink 'Scientology' has always been generally ridiculed in the UK, but in the 1960s it was treated as a very serious threat to democracy and the rule of law, and at least one government tried (but faled) to find a means to remove it from the UK.

The UK Supreme Court recently handed down an extremely dangerous judgement in a Tojan Horse case that was brought by a couple of innocent looking 'Scientologists' against the Registrars' Office for refusing to allow them to marry in a building known as a 'Scientology Chapel.'

In this judgement, the Court offered its own broad description of religion, and although it was stated that this description was 'non definitive,' 'Scientology' was held to fit the Court's broad description and the marriage was allowed to go ahead.

In reality, this court case was the latest move in a long campaign to have the 'Scientology' racket declared tax free in the UK.

One of the 'Scientologists' who brought the case, just happened to be the daughter of one of the organization's attorneys.

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2013/12/uk-supreme-court-duped-by-deluded-agent.html

sminkypink - In what form would you like to see an article on 'MLM' being presented in a woman's magazine?

Over the years, there have been quite a number of articles sneaked into UK mainstream publications which have spread the 'MLM' fairy story. Most of these have been produced by wide-eyed journalists who have interviewed gung-ho 'MLM' adherents and who have repeated their 'positive' words.

This is the type of thoughtless and thought-stopping article (published yesterday) which 'MLM' racketeers have managed to feed to the media all around the globe.

www.easternmirrornagaland.com/amway-india-signs-farhan-akhtar-as-brand-ambassador-for-india/

In reality, as part of an overall pattern of ongoing major racketeering activity (stretching back to the 1950s), the current billionaire bosses of the 'Amway' racket have taken some of their stolen funds and bought association with an Indian equivalent of the young Tom Cruise, but mainstream journalists seem to be incapable of looking beyond the ends of their noses and reporting the nightmare reality behind this absurd fairy story.

Notice how exactly the same 'Amway' propaganda story has spread like a virus through the Idian media, because rather than get off their arses and do some work, all the editors and journalists have had to do, is cut and paste the pretty press release from the 'Amway' Minsistry of Truth.

www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/amway-india-signs-farhan-akhtar-as-nutrilite-brand-ambassador/article8028971.ece

Is Grazia still around?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grazia

I don't think mlms fit the Grazia profile either, when you look at the skincare and diets they promote, it's aspirational, the Grazia girl would not buy her skincare from a stall or a friend, she'd go to Space NK. She wouldn't chug down coloured powders to lose weight, she'd be reading up on what a nutritionist says the latest 'super food' is and making some overly complicated salad dish. So it's just not them. I can't imagine the bots reading it either.
I'd say: Cosmo, Prima, Look, Company. Plus parenting mags of course.
The angle would have to be something like,
'I lost my best friend/wife to a prosperity cult,'
'I'm 50,000 in debt because of a network marketing cult.'
You would have to have the victim agree to be photographed, as we discussed before, no one would be interested otherwise.

The 'cult' aspect might be a bit dodgy, so a headline could be, 'my wifes new sales job promised millions but now we're divorced and she's £100,000 in debt.'