MLM bot watch - Continued discussion of the network marketing companies Forever Living, Herbal Life, Juice Plus etc as a pyramid scheme or scam

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Still continuing the discussion of the various network marketing schemes or multi-level marketing schemes (MLMs) that people we know are involved in.

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rude the fact it says 'pay off your catalogue' makes it obvious who that is aimed at :(

I must admit I balked at the 'pay off your catalogue' too...

Anyone else now getting daily links on FB to 'business coaches/Life Gurus/Developers etc?

Same type of jargon written. Saw one yesterday and some women called Maureen wrote "Its a big old con"
Lol

It's as bad as door stop lenders. If someone has a catalogue they may need clear financial advice not a false dream b

Yep, if you stalk bot pages, you get the sponsored links. I've been getting lots on my page. So quite a few are forking out for advertising, then? My bot is going on about Dave O'Connors book, so I read the first few pages on Amazon, which is the intro written by super bot, Natalie Heeley. Her introduction is purely preaching the prosperity gospel with a bit of passive aggressive victim blaming chucked in. You know, 'we're amazing and they are average failures'. Lovely.

Posted by a bot in the veeeerrrrryyyy early hours today. What has this got to do with anything?!

Argh posted too soon!

OTOH I love that it contradicts the Jeremy Kyle post....

Haha so am I in the 6% not having live tv in the house? It's a distraction and my DC (8) gets jezza rage

It's an interesting stat though. The rich can usually afford more varied activities and the poor usually have to go with the cheapest. TV entertains everyone for a minimal fee. It says a lot about how we perceive our culture.

Have any bot watchers come accross the name, Adam May?

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I'll just leave this here

www.thinkbigflp.com/docs/teachtoreach_qls.pdf

M0biusgeek That is an excellent find! Many thanks. Push recruiting and never forget the 1CC per month personal use!

It has just occurred to me, having watched Adam May, that social media works both ways. Before its existence they relied on recruiting in isolation and face to face by invite only. They were able to hand pick their victims having sounded them out first face to face.
But now social media is giving us a massive window into their lives and the techniques they use to ruthlessly recruit their vulnerable victims.
It is very easy for us to pick apart the business but difficult to understand how people are still drawn in.
Unfortunately/fortunately on social media people tend to say things they would never say in RL. So the players unwittingly give away information on there techniques for recruiting such as going through their victims FB contact list before accepting them onto the program. And I'm sure in time more of their 'secrets' will be revealed.

Möbius!

Last night I 'watched' a couple of hours of Jayne Leach 'training'.

As Mob's limo demonstrates, it is easy to see why they are so pushy.

No need to understand the compensation plan, victim blaming etc.

You NEED to contact five pp per day or don't bother and you are not worth coaching...

JL's husband went out in the car at midnight to deliver a leaflet to the cashier at the local all night garage ( who was described in derogatory way) which proves what you need to do to succeed.

Do any of you lot post the tv page to these pp?

Amazed today by the number of fl bots who are working flexibly to be with their children, that are off to training etc without said children. Presumably they will be working at home tomorrow while children are at school ....

Agree, Will. Social media is backfiring.

Didn't someone say that they were being advised to go offline?

(Although another bloke was boasting of getting over 500 leads in one night from Pinterest).

MObiousgeek An interesting question here is, who is legally responsible for the content of this document?

This document is virtually identical to one produced by 'International Business Systems UK Ltd.' in the 1990s, entitled, 'Presenting The (Amway) Opportunity.' The 'IBS' document was issued with each 'Amway Business Starter Kit,' but when 'Amway' was investigated by UK Trade regulators, it was suddenly described as having been 'produced by IBS UK Ltd. and, therefore, unauthorised, by Amway UK Ltd.'

'Amway' survived in the Uk, when (amongst other things) its lawyers promised a High Court Judge that, 'all unauthorised training material had been voluntarily banned.'

M0biusgeek that is excellent. Had a quick skim through. I wonder how many are breaching data protection rules by using work databases to recruit. Having followed this thread and the big names in FL many have given up jobs in industries where they would have had access to extensive customer databases. Could be a potential Achilles heal?

I always thought that flp was to be treated as a serious business. Look and act professionally.
From some of the fb ads that have been posted, it seems now that people are offering the opportunity to stay at home, watch Jeremy Kyle, lounge around in your pj's and earn money on fb.

eye that is quite interesting. They are able to distance themselves when/ if all goes wrong.

I wonder if the wills are the same. Use an outside company and blame them if it doesn't work out.

I found this quite telling. The next page has the responses to the question "What is it?", which are all very vague.

Saw my boy last night. I get the distinct impression she doesn't dare talk to me about it

Which is good because it shows she hasn't been brainwashed to the point of 'removing' all the negativity in her life.

LittleMissStubborn- Classically, this document (part of which was posted on my main article about 'FLP') contains nothing which identifies it as having been authorised by 'FLP UK Ltd.' However, most casual observers would look at it, and laugh at the suggestion that damning evidence like this cannot be legally tied to the 'FLP' organisation.

I have mentioned this before, but one major American legal academic has produced a report which began to explain how, structurally, 'Amway' can be compared to the Italian American mafia.

www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/blakey_report.pdf

Corporate mystification is one of the hall-marks of big cults, but it's been used by other major racketeers; particularly, Mafia bosses. This type of 'hermetic' system (desiged to prevent, and/or divert, investigation and isolate its real bosses from liability) has also been used by intelligence agencies.

e.g. The number of legally-registered private commercial companies, and non-profit making associations, fronting the 'Scientology' racket, literally runs into thousands all around the globe. They've all been centrally-controlled and they have all been feeding cash and intelligence back to the big bosses of the racket in the USA. However, in the end, cultic fronts are all expendable, because, if one of these corporate structures faces investigation, and/or prosecution, the bosses of a group like 'Scientology,' can dis-own it and shift any blame onto the under-bosses who appeared to in charge of it.

The best way to simplify this type of 'hermetic' system, is to think of a wheel comprising many spokes, but without a rim; making the spokes appear to be independent of each other. In reality, the spokes are all controlled, and driven, from a central hub.

Loving the training document.

• take your ring binder everywhere with you so you never miss a moment to build your business!
• the daily planner goes from 8am to 10pm
• the memory jogger for people you know is hilarious - single friends....married friends... So basically, friends then!