MLM bot watch - Discussion of the network marketing companies Forever Living, Herbal Life, Juice Plus etc as a pyramid scheme or scam

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Continuing the discussion of the various network marketing schemes or multi-level marketing schemes (MLMs) that people we know are involved in.

If you have a bot of your own then join us and share what they are saying!

Or if you are researching a company before signing up to be a network marketer please take a look at the previous bot watch thread and also this thread which delves deeper into the workings of MLMs.

And don't forget our very own MN MLM Timeless Vie!
www.facebook.com/timelessvie
www.twitter.com/timelessvie

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I'm exhausted and thus won't contribute anything in depth tonight. I just have this from my bot.

#GiveaGiftThatCares #12hoursbutstillnolikey #FLDontCareBoutAnythingButMoney

Forever so if I'd started selling aloe toothpaste at 18 I'd have been able to retire at 21? Where did my life go so wrong?

Surely the message there Forever is that to retire young you need to set up your own MLM and be at the top of the pyramid rather than join somebody else's, which is what we know to be true.

Is your bot at the top of the pyramid?!

I'd be dissapointed if I were given FL for xmas. It means the gifter was ripped off. I do get Avon from mum, but Avon just does not seem half as bad, they've never tried to convert her for a start! My partners hippy mother always kept an aloe plant for burns, but no, we did not consider to eat the damn thing. Some of the FL bots are feeding it to their dogs. Ahem! www.petpoisonhelpline.com/poison/aloe-vera/
So not only do they lie about health benefits, to humans, they give their poor pooch the squits.

Bot alert, all my FLbots and I have a lot I'm so blessed have changed their work title to lifestyle coach. What are they up too and most importantly can timelessvie FB take the poss about this soon please.

So, they are removing the emphasis on buying products and instead to coaching people to coach other people to coach other people to coach other people etc. There's going to be a lot of coaches lol .

piss not poss!

bunched done!

If they are just coaches, does this mean they are no longer selling? And if they are no longer selling how does it then stay on the right side of the very hazy line in terms of legality of pyramid schemes?

More prosecco and tiaras from my bot last night, (spew) she brought two of her huns/victims to her home and did a training day with her poor parents and kids there. Poor family. #callthiswork I'd #callthisapaininthebum

LittleMissStubborn seeing as it was never about selling this shite anyway and more about recruiting more and more tiers of that pyramid (so they can sit on top of said pyramid with tiara, prosecco and giant cheque), I think coach is more appropriate. And of course they barely ever mention the product, do they to create mystery and intrigue. Inbox me hun.

I've been looking at the Success Inspired page and handily there's a pic of some FL cheques, so I took a closer look.
4 from the Bank of Ireland, in Euros. Can't see the dates on these.
3 from Westpac which is Australian, in AUS Dollars, for Aug, Sept & Oct.
2 from a US bank in Arizona, in US Dollars, for Sept & Oct.

So let's take a look at the largest of the cheques, which seem to be for Oct. I'll be generous and assume the largest of the BoI cheques is for Oct too.

232.50 Euros = £162
419 AUS Dollars = £196
384 US Dollars = £162
Making a total of £609 for October. I'll assume that she has a cheque or two for other countries also, but that these aren't significant enough to be included on this boast of a post. So maybe £700-£800 income for October.

What is most suspicious is that she's left the amounts for all to see, but covered up who they are being paid to with her business card. I can't see why she'd do this if they were for her? Are they for someone else? And why haven't they been banked yet?

It's my last week of my maternity leave. Back at work on Monday. Am going to miss having so much time to examine stuff like this in detail, although will still try to do it!

All these cheques don't look enticing. Surely if something is legit you don't get paid in different denominations. Again, this is more fakery: look how international you are, we are paying you in Australian dollars.

I was imagining what it would be like if a client were to buy a property using MLM earnings as a deposit. I think I'd have to put a Suspicious Activity Report into the National Crime Agency, not really because of the source of funds (although, basically, WTF - see above cheques), but because the likelihood of anyone ever making sufficient money off a MLM is so small that the story of how the funds were accrued just wouldn't seem plausible.

lastuser can you let me know whether my response to the Bot on the website showed up please? I wrote and posted it first thing this morning but I can't see it there. I'm inexperienced with wordpress.

We've just been through remortgaging our property. DP is a self-employed electrician, and has earned near enough the same amount per month for the last 4 years, yet we still have to prove so much in order to get a mortgage. I have no idea how anyone who is a network marketer could get a mortgage. Actually, they never do, do they?

lazy your comment is probably just awaiting approval. It'll show up later can't wait to see what you've written

lazycoo what's weird is that a 'business' in 2015 still gets paid with cheques, I mean, WTF. We have just one client who pays us with cheques,, it does my nut as we travel five months of the year and I have to get the blimmin things forwarded on(but he is 85, so I guess that's his excuse.). My USA clients favour PayPal. It's the norm for business freelancers to be paid this way in the US, so I've been told. So we have a Paypal business account. My European (and other) clients pay us by IBAN (International bank transfer) in pounds sterling.

But I suppose they need the cheques because without the cheques they wouldn't be able to willy wave. That's if they are real.

lazy I'll approve it later, sorry about that, I've forgotten the password so need to access it from my laptop. I should probably just change it so that anyone can comment.

Ah that's good, I didn't know about the approval process. No worries, it wasn't exactly Shakespeare, but wanted to get back to the bot on her ideas of us campaigning for a bot minimum wage

wtf? seriously?

No. just no.

A bot minimum wage? Say what now?

How in hell would that work?

I think she's missed the point. FLP use mlm to sell their shite products precisely so they don't have to pay the minimum wage. They basically have a massive free sale force. Yes, they have to give a %age of the retail price to the distributors, but the prices are hugely inflated to take this into consideration. I had a look at their accounts earlier; last year they employed 111 people and had a turnover of £58m. Very impressive business model (for the owners of FLP, not the distributors) but nothing new.

I think the response should be something along these lines:

There is no requirement for a minimum wage for MLM distributors as they are just that: Independent distributors. You would only have a right to a minimum wage if you were a 'mere' employee, but in order to #sacktheboss and be a #bossbabe who can drink wine whilst working at 11pm you'd have to start your own company/distributorship, forfeiting your right to a wage.

With there being 544,000 active distributors in the UK, if the MLMs had to pay a minimum wage to each and every one of them, just one hour of these distributors' time would cost the MLMs a grand total of......£3,644,800. At an average of 20 hours a week and 50 weeks a year, this would wipe out their entire turnover and more as the cost for that would be THREE BILLION SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND POUNDS.

acat I read that figure in this voice!