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MLm-bot watch - now including Timeless Vie!!

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CheekySmile · 29/09/2015 12:37

Continuing the discussion of the MLMs Forever Living, Herbal Life, Juice Plus, Younique etc, plus our very own MN-MLM Timeless Vie!

www.facebook.com/timelessvie
twitter.com/timelessvie

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/2437667-MLM-bot-watch-FL-Juice-Plus-Younique-etc

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mobiusgeek · 24/10/2015 23:10

Yeah, my bot and the other members of their team are at another success day on a yacht hotel. Proper boasting.. They'll be extra impossible now. Ugh. They've been awarded one of those hideous yellow suitcases and are really happy about it . Lots of 'eeeeks' etc. I also have noticed the phrase 'blown away' a lot. We can add that to the pile with 'smash it' ...

mobiusgeek · 24/10/2015 23:15

Oooooh can timeless vie comment on her posts?? I don't want to personally engage on Facebook as it will likely appear to my friend who is still involved with it.. we have managed to avoid speaking about it for a while now. She knows what I think about it but I have discovered so much more since I last warned her off. She obviously thinks I'm wrong but hasn't cut me out or anything as we've been friends for too long for that to happen. we just don't mention it.

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lazycoo · 25/10/2015 07:12

TV loves emma cooper and forever living - it's official #lovebombing

PopcornFrenzy · 25/10/2015 07:23

WTAF?! Pretend to be manager?! I think that about sums the whole thing up...I think someone should ask Emma Cooper what happens if she decides to take a week off (you know like normal annual leave where you don't think about work) and see what she says

mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 09:01

Finding some gems down this wormhole for information videos..

Andy Waring (his face pops up a lot.. One of eye's 'favourite' shills bots) kindly explains the FL marketing plan in detail for you all here

He also has an in depth video detailing how to manipulate people on Facebook.

In my opinion, I think it's extremely important people read 'merchants of deception' before being taken in by crooks recruiters like this. Some things to note are that they always seem to travel to these 'wonderful places' without the friends and family they 'treasure' (unless they've managed to sucker them in too, of course) and also this type of 'profiling prospects' smacks exactly of the top guy at Amway in MoD who would train people (including Eric) how to quickly profile any other hu-man and tailor his sales pitch in a way to target their ideals. Very clever and extremely manipulative.

It makes me imagine the bots as those who can only ever engage with others while scanning/profiling them with a robocop/ironman style visual interface Infront of them. Forget about emerging yourself in ACTUAL CONVERSATION, just keep listening until you hear a key word/hot point (or whatever they call them) to get in there with your 'personalised' pitch.

There's that thing they say about people in conversation. There's those that actually care and want to listen to others talk (are genuinely Interested in them!), and there's the others that don't really listen to others and are just waiting to talk.

.. The precise difference between genuine, and non-genuine people. Aka 'bots'.

penguins33 · 25/10/2015 09:22

I've been following this thread for a while after a friend joined FL and am working my way through Merchants of Deception and certainly seeing some parallels.

I found this post on another bot's page yesterday and am shocked! Given some of the things posted here about Emma Cooper how can she be standing up in front of all these people claiming to earn 45k a month?? Is there something dodgy going on with those calculations on the screen?

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ambler21 · 25/10/2015 09:51

Well done to Rianne in the comments section on Coopers video, got a few likes as well :) I love the comment after....."she does get paid over £45K a month tho, that can't be denied"..............except that it can. I'm sure she's seen her tax returns and fully understands the difference between profit and individual / downline turnover :)

lazycoo · 25/10/2015 10:03

The brainwashing/ lovebombing/ information overload is designed to shut down your critical faculties. I do hope that potential victims will at least be able to do a google search for negative stories and find us.

ambler21 · 25/10/2015 10:17

Mobius I see why that video makes you angry. The whole point of it is to keep people involved in the scam who are being challenged by loving family members......(They're challenging forever because they love you but don't understand the business, give them 20 years and they'll come around to the idea)....... She really has got some nerve. I challenge my loved one specifically because I've done the research and know he has less than 1% chance of breaking even. An even smaller % chance of making a decent living wage.

PopcornFrenzy · 25/10/2015 10:26

So from that have worked out that a CC is £32.16 so a bot has to buy 4CC for personal use a month so £128.64 that's over £1500 a year buying overpriced shit.

mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 10:34

There's a quote Heeley could make with instaquote to put her alongside the bill gates/Richard Branson & ghandi ones they all love so much:

  • "Remember I just pestered them for 20 years until they eventually gave in" ~ n.heeley

Grin Confused

I thought it was supposed to be a 3-5 year plan to retirement and eternal riches? 20years to be MINUS £211,694NETworth

mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 10:45

They aim for 4ccs per month minimum in total. 1x recruit = 2cc then sell one to some idiot and buy one yourself for personal use/to sell on stalls/use for samples= 4cc

Which bit points out £32.16per cc? Must have missed that) I screenshotted this a while ago (can't remember where from - think it might have been coopers Twitter)

If 675.601cc =£14.550.33 then each cc must be around £46.43? But I'm just looking at this slide without any context tbf. Perhaps that algebra we never used from school comes into play somewhere to make it impossible for any layman to truly work out. Unless I'm just being thick? (It is Sunday morning Blush - that's my excuse)

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mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 11:00

Judging by Andy Waring 'simple' marketing explanation, I don't think it'll be as simple as making a simple division to get actual figures however. There's lots of layers of 'management' hierarchy and %s you earn differ depending on all kinds of things.

I also wanted to point out to anyone reading this who might consider Waring's tips and techniques to be the same of any top sales rep regardless of what they may be selling - this may be true in some ways but MLM is using the highest degree of manipulation techniques to influence people you truly CARE about and not everyday consumers/customers. We all know the world of marketing and advertising is very corrupt and immorral, but leveraging PERSONAL relationships and love bombing (with conscious or unconscious deceptive intent) is specifically designed to strip the victim of any critical faculties. Evil of the highest order.

LittleMissStubborn · 25/10/2015 12:13

A cc is around £52.

I guess the cc's is the reason the bots do the c9 every few months, it is an easy way to reach your targets.

Siwi · 25/10/2015 15:03

Well done to whoever commented on Cooper's video!!!
:) :) :)

lazycoo · 25/10/2015 15:49

Sadly TV's comments were removed. And we were being nice!!

mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 15:58

Did tv comment on cooper's vid? Haha what did she remove?

Siwi · 25/10/2015 16:33

I am a technoknownothing so this idea might be useless......

If, as some have said on recent pages, 'we' want to warn potential and current Flbotno about the true nature of this scam, could we change the title (of the next thread) to something that is likely to come up on the first page of Google?

Eg, 'Is Forever Living a Scam?'

Or something that a potential Flbotno might Google before joining?

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mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 17:01

A quote I saw today. Funnily enough, not from a bot....

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mobiusgeek · 25/10/2015 17:07

That's a good idea Siwi. Bots are actually told to do that as a tactic too, so they flood that search term with content debunking the 'scam' and turning it around in their favour. Interestingly, it appears we are making a difference....

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/uk-political-researcher-asks-searching.html?m=1

lazycoo · 25/10/2015 17:36

mobius, David is fab and I was glad to read that. In order to really understand just how cynical MLMs are, you do need to think the unthinkable. That's why so many 'nice people' (conformist, believing hard work reaps rewards) fall for the scam. If you're reading eye, keep up the good work! Would love to know how we can organise a counter surge agains the bots' monopolising of the search results, if anyone knows how...?

bunchedpanties · 25/10/2015 17:38

Seconded Siri Smile

bunchedpanties · 25/10/2015 17:40

siwi not Siri feckin autocorrect Confused

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