'FL / MLM' Thread 3

[Eyespying]

Continuing the valuable discussion of 'Forever Living' and other 'MLM/commercial' cults.

Talking of shills, the bosses of the 'Mary Kay' racket have just produced a couple of them in Texas. However, one of these women has been an 'MK' core-adherent for 33 years; the other, for 13 years. It's also interesting to note that the report says that BMW 'works with' Mary Kay, but that's a classic 'MLM' distortion of the truth.

'MK' merely leases cars from BMW (and other manufacturers), and makes them available to its insignificant percentage of chronic adherents - provided they obediently continue to buy the wampum each month, and recklessly commit their own time (as well as dissipate all their social, mental, physical and financial resources) to ensnare others to 'duplicate' (the financially and psychologically suicidal) 'plan.'

www.newswest9.com/story/30190983/two-mary-kay-consultants-receive-bmws

www.complaintsboard.com/complaints/forever-living-products-illegal-sales-practices-and-training-c772609.html

Dave's forehead is suspicious alone.

Another interesting link, thanks Eyespying.
I looked into the Investors in People myself and came to pretty much the same conclusion, that the champions award had to be based on the core staff that run FLP UK at longbridge manor (78 partisan people), rather than the majority of unconnected 'distributors'. It's good to seemingly have this confirmed to be the case.
As for the health claims I wonder how many 'distributors' truly realise their level of personal liability.

Mr. Mindset master stage hypnotist o'connor.....well, 6 degrees of seperation is not nearly enough for my liking :)

ambler21

A while back, I contacted 'Investors in People' regarding the 'FLP' racket, and was told (but not in writing) that the 'IiP Awards' offer no guarantee that the organizations in receipt of them are not breaking the law, and that 'IiP' would, therefore, have no responsibilty if 'FLP UK' was ever to be found guilty of breaking the law.

However, IiP's name and logo has clearly been obtained by the bosses of 'FLP' for a hidden criminal objective; for if you watch the video linked below, after 4 mins 30 secs of reality-inverting 'FLP/MLM/Utopian' propaganda, the 'Investors in People' name and logo appears as an implied guarantee of authenticity/legality.

The deliberate infiltration of this British awards organization by the bosses of 'FLP,' in order to commit fraud and prevent victims from complaining, forms part of a pattern of ongoing major racketeering activity, as defined by the US federal Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, 1970.

Its disturbing to know that IiP are prepared to turn a blind eye to this company's dubious practices (and presumably others).

There is no doubt that a company with an Investors in People Award is seen as legitimate and trustworthy to ordinary people.

I would encourage MN members to read this latest article on the investor platform, Seeking Alpha, by Connor Davidson.

However, you will probably have to sign up for the Site, to access the text.

seekingalpha.com/article/3555536-unsustainable-fragile-overvalued-and-under-attack-the-case-for-going-short-herbalife-now?auth_param=2rl3n:1b19kjv:9197928abb9f37e42afdcc8f6bf87050&uprof=52

Other than references to Bill Ackman, the see-sawing share price of 'Herbalife' and the ongoing investigation of 'Herbalife' by US regulators, and law enforcement agents, virtually every other part of Mr. Davidson's comprehensive analysis, could apply to 'Forever Living Products' or any one of hundreds of copy-cat 'MLM' rackets still legally, but falsely, registered as 'commercial enterprises' in the USA and elsewhere.

I'll bet a pound to a penny that young Mr. Davidson knows damn-well that fake 'direct selling' companies like 'Herbalife' have been the corporate fronts for cultic racketeering, but he daren't say this openly or even make reference to the few people who have dared to say this.

MN members might be interested to learn that when I briefly participated in the Seeking Alpha debate, I received many messages of thanks and support from other participants, but the forum received a deluge of complaints from its resident claque of robotic 'Herbalife' fans, and I was initially requested to modify my language. When I submitted an evidence-based article explaining the cultic/totalitarian nature of 'Herbalife', and how the big 'MLM' lie has been repeated so many times that many people have come to accept it as the 'truth,' my analysis was refused as being 'disruptive and unhelpful,' and I was banned from posting any further comments on Seeking Alpha.

This link might work without having to to sign-up for the Seeking Alpha Site

seekingalpha.com/article/3555536-unsustainable-fragile-overvalued-and-under-attack-the-case-for-going-short-herbalife-now

Another great article eye. Quite a heavy read at first for someone not used to trading language but actually very clearly written. The negative comments seem like worried taunts from Herbalife insiders / shareholders and offer no answers to the questions posed.
Is there a set date when regulators will release their findings or is it a waiting game?
The Albright info is both sickening and laughable as is the Bush family connection to MLM. It seems if you can make a fraud huge enough it disappears from plain view. Keep up the good work

Eyespying - any insight on this one?

www.donnastewartonline.com/start-building-your-dream

Insists on the website that it is definitely not MLM / direct sales, but certainly bears all the classic hallmarks!

Came across it looking at MLM parody videos on Youtube, which this lady put up there in the first place.

Lady, a telling line near the top of your link is:-

"Even better they have helped and continue to help countless others to do the same."

It goes on to say:-

"an you imagine a life without limits? Waking up when you want. Doing work that actually makes you happy. Spending tons of time with people who are most important to you. Playing when you feel like it. Being debt-free. I’m blessed to say this has been my life for the past 15 years. Are you ready for it to be yours? If so, you’re invited to see if their business is something that would be a good fit for you!"

Now, where have I heard that sort of thing before ...

IT.IS.AN.MLM.

Oh I know it is!

Just wondered what your feeling was as to what spin they'd put on the "fact" that it absolutely, definitively wasn't mlm (at least not according to Donna, at any rate...).

Lady - I think she is or was connected to a company called Melaleuca based in Idaho run by frank vandersloot. It looks as if the company is everything she says it isn't.

What looks like an 'MLM' cultic racket, sounds like an 'MLM' cultic racket and produces results like an 'MLM' cultic racket, always is an 'MLM' cultic racket. That is, unless you are an unquestioning 'MLM' cult adherent/victim, and then it's only what your 'admired and respected leaders' tell you it is.

Started reading merchants of deception. Got upto chapter 10, where he is slowly realising something is wrong and the people who he thought were friends are definitely not. Its a brilliant book and I think anyone who is thinking of joining one of these mlms (cults) should definitely read this book. I thought I knew quite a bit about these so called business opportunities, but this book has been even more of an eye-opener. I know more about FL than any of the others, and as I have been reading the book I can see the similarities of FL. The way they seem to scoff at anyone who has a Job, how they try to make mums feel guilty for leaving their children with others. Telling them not to be negative, always be positive about the business. More emphasis about recruiting not selling the products. Thats not knowing what goes on behind the scenes, but I could hazard a guess

Annie65 Eric's book is an almost unique glimpse inside part of the parallel, centrally-controlled, totalitarian State that has (ironically) come to be known as 'Amway' (corruption of 'American Way').

That said, since Eric first tried to blow the whistle, the 'Amway' Ministry Truth has simply continued to divert millions of stolen dollars into pumping out more of the same old Utopian Capitalist fairy story, without any real challenge from US law enforcement agents or the mainstream media.

We have long since passed the point where the big 'MLM' lie has been repeated so often without challenge, and has generated so much cash for those peddling it, that many people have come to accept it as the truth.

One of the greatest ironies of history, is that successive US governments have sacrificed trillions of tax-payers dollars, and the blood of tens of thousands of US citizens, trying to keep totalitarianism dressed as 'Nazism,' 'communism', 'extreme-socialism', etc., at bay, whilst completely failing to identify essentially the same phenomenon gnawing its way ever deeper into the heart of the Republic, simply because it's been dressed up as 'All American Capitalism.'

However, numerous democratic govenments around the world have all (so far) failed to identify what is undoubtedly an ongoing criminogenic phenomenon of historic significance.

ironic that they use cinematic 'doomsday' style music over the top of that last propaganda 'credibility' video

mobiusgeek - Until quite recently, Chinese 'Communist' propaganda (complete with stirring music) relentlessly portrayed the unquestioning 'worker' as a noble hero selflessly building his/her own future Utopia to the Dear Leader's (3 year, 5 year, etc.) Plan. Anyone dissenting from this 100% 'positive' closed-logic totalitarian fairy story was systematically catergorized by it as a 'negative' threat to the future Utopia, and had to be excluded from it.

'Amway's' current oriental propaganda (complete with stiring music) relentlessly portrays the unquestioning 'distributor' as a noble hero selflessly building his/her own future Utopia to the Dear Leaders' (2-5 year) Plan. Anyone dissenting from this 100% 'positive' closed-logic totalitarian fairy story is systematically catergorised by it as a 'negative' threat to the future Utopia, and must be excluded from it.