'FL / MLM' Thread 3

[Eyespying]

Continuing the valuable discussion of 'Forever Living' and other 'MLM/commercial' cults.

stopfaffing - The three tongue-tied 'MK' stooges will have been making tax declarations. However, 'MK' shills are no different to any other 'MLM' shills. They have been conditioned always to duplicate an absurd '100% positive' game of make-believe, in order to achieve 'total financial freedom.'

Tragic reality is always to be found in 'MLM' shills' net-loss tax declarations, but such key-information is deemed 'negative,' so, according to the rules of their game, they are not allowed to acknowledge these.

When confronted with external reality, the tongue-tied reactions 'MLM' shills always remind me of children who believe in Santa, when older children tell them that their parents have being lying to them.

No, I don't know who Emma's sponsor is? Is that another twist in the tale? Do tell!

I also noticed she backed down from your blog too. It was clear she hadn't read the post and dived right in to the comments section. If she tries to go head to head with you that would be worth its weight in gold! It can only reflect badly on her as more people would only be made aware of the truth as part of her 'case' so only good for you (us).

I agree that Eric is a remarkable man for all he has been though and his fight for moral decency in the face of such adversity.

Jesus. I sit here catching flies.

i wonder what his initating 21day 'mindset' comprises of... Probably a load of shit from 'the secret' etc. She also admits here that she's never missed her daily 'mindset' training EVER! So yeah, i'm sure others can become equally as Isuccessful by using this 'amazing' mindset technique too.. for a price.

I notice he has a 'product page' on his site, and took the opportunity to plug his overpriced 'tool' of the project planner which all the Periscopers inevitably jumped on immediately. ironically, he even uses terms such as programming and being 'activated' (aka plugged in) and that the rest of us laymen are 'mediocre minds' before finishing with the dates of his next speaking engagements. Funny that. One of the observers even said she was crying with happiness as she watched the broadcast. FML.

Every stage you see the vast array of people at as part of their publicly documented MLM business rings 100% true of Eric's story. It's frightening. If only they could read it to see their future before getting too deep. Follow the plan.. buy the tools, listen to the 'mindset' tapes.. oh and of course don't miss out on Dave's seminars because Emma has NEVER deviated from the plan NO MATTER WHAT!!

Funnily, she also admits again here about the exact anxiety and depression she told you that you were lying about!! More importantly, she also makes references to being SO TIRED sometimes that her husband has had to carry her to bed etc. and that she has even had 'doubts' every now and again though being a ex-cop. Maybe there IS a glimmer of hope for her there down the line then. Who knows. :-S

She does resemble baby spice here though - not so much einstein as Dave also remarks lol but all very sinister. Every form of flattery and manipulation going. I'm not sure whether to feel sorry for her or be mad at her. Perhaps it's Dave that is the face of evil?

ultimately, in 40 minutes, the 'life changing' products are not mentioned once. That says it all.

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what a wicked world we live in.

How is your brother doing? Is he still involved with Amway?

I will continue to warn and inform any of my friends about the sinister world of MLM if/when they pop up. Thanks again for all of your ongoing efforts, David.

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mobiousgeek - In answer to your question - I haven't seen my brother for more than 20 years. As far as I know, he stopped being an Ambot around 15 years ago, but he's almost certainly still in complete denial. At one time, he even pretended (in a deposition to French court) that he had 'never been involved with Amway' and that 'he believed I had.' Amazingly, this was when my brother was still an Ambot and I was deeply-involved in complaining to the UK government about 'Amway'.

Fortunately, at that time, I'd obtained a recent 'Amagram' magazine with my brother's picture in it (and an explanation of his pathetic rank in the hierarchy). Without that evidence, I could not have proved that my brother was lying.

I think my brother has told so many lies, over all these years, about his 'Amway' involvement and about me, that he now believes them all to be the truth. Even before 'Amway,' my brother was a shallow character with narcissistic tendencies; so he probably will never voluntarily face up to the destruction he inflicted on his family and friends.

Although it seems too absurd to be true, 20 years ago, I was told by my own mother that I would no longer exist in her eyes if I went to the UK government to complain about 'Amway', because I was 'trying to destroy my brother's business out of jealously' and that I 'needed psychiatric treament.'

Sbsequently, I went to the government to complain, and was effectively murdered.

Prior to my mother's death in 2004, the hold which my brother, and his 'Amway' handlers, retained over her mind and property, was absolute. This hold depended entirely on cutting my mother off from external reality and character-assassinating me.

ah. I'm so sorry to hear that. I recall you already speaking of that in bits and pieces. I can't imagine how frustrating and upsetting that was/is for you.

Know that you have saved many more from getting in too deep in the years that have passed. Even if they haven't told you outright via your blog etc. your work is definitely not in vain and I, for one, am very grateful of people like you and Eric.

Thank-you for your kind words mobiousgeek

If there is one thing you quickly discover when a cult enters your life (via some ill-informed vulnerable types like my brother), it's who your real friends are.

Although I lost contact with my family (and with several persons whom I previously considered to be close friends), there are other extraordinary people whom I have met as a result of these tragic events in my life, and whom I would never have met otherwise. On reflection, I have absolutely no regrets about the difficult choices I have made.

I personally would never have been able to look at myself in the mirror had I decided to turn my back on all the 'MLM' victims and future victims. I also felt I had to compensate for the damage caused by my own brother.

Over the years, there have been various ex-'MLM' adherents who have taken the trouble to make contact with me, to thank me for saving them before they got in too deep.

My Blog is rapidly approaching a million page-views so (hopefully) it must be having quite an effect.

Thank-you for your kind words as well Annie65.

Which only goes to prove their money is not only made by selling aloe vera and from recruiting. Emma had the nerve to say in her latest talk, everyone starts the same with a product box , so the reason why some people are successful and some are not are the people themselves. Nothing to do with the fact SOME PEOPLE seem to get a lot of perks. I would be asking this question, but I havnt been sucked into this sham. The prove is there for everyone to see, but Im afraid the bots all seem to wear blinkers and want to live happily in their false paradise

yup. I spotted that bit too.. if the business isn't working, you've only yourself to blame blah blah

if the business is failing, buy more tools; Books, seminar tickets ahem here's my next speaking dates btw. Oh and what's this? it must be my super duper planner i use eeeeevery day buy it NOW it made me 'rich'

shameless. morbidly fascinating. scary.

SHILL.
noun
1.a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
2.a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

yup.

Annie65 The more time and money 'MLM' victims pump into their ultimately pointless activity: the more they think they have to lose, so the more they need falsely to believe that, eventually, they must win.

This is essentially the same dangerous closed-logic playing in the minds of chronic gambling addicts, but at least chronic gamblers do have a remote chance of winning on occasion (unless they are playing in a fixed game).

I have also compared chronic 'MLM' adherents to persons suffering from anorexia nervosa, who have an unattainable illusary goal fixed like cement in their heads, and who just can't see the harm they are actually causing to themselves, and to their loved ones, by trying to attain their unattainable illusary goal.

A frightening question to ask is : How would you go about driving a vulnerable person into anorexia nervosa?

You'd constantly show them images of excessvely skinny individuals and tell them that only this type of body is perfect and desirable, whilst constantly telling them that they are fat, imperfect and undesireable - no matter what size and shape they really are.

Once you understand this, it's not difficult to see how, by using essentially identical coordinated devious techniques, it's possible to drive vulnerable individuals into a state of 'financial anorexia' and bleed them dry.

Look at how many 'MLM' racketeers have peddled wampum which they claim can enable anyone to become physically perfect and desireable.

mobiusgeek

I wrote this brief explanation of shills about 10 years ago.

'Shill' or 'Schill' (a.k.a. 'Outside Man'), is American slang for one of a crew of charlatans who is used to lure victims into frauds (particular rigged gambling games) by appearing to be an ordinary everyday guy in the crowd who keeps winning or (sometimes) losing. In the classic sleight-of-hand scam known as, the 'Shell Game', (a.k.a. 'Three Card Monte', 'Three Card Trick', 'Three Card Molly', 'Chase The Lady', 'Chase The Ace', etc.), victims are deceived into believing that the game is genuine and they can win, by the use of innocent-looking shills (often with highly-distracting young females on their arms). In the end, no victim can win, because they are up against a team of experienced criminals who all act-out a carefully-scripted, closed-logic scenario which always inverts reality. If a losing victim begins to challenge the honesty of the front man 'Handler' (a.k.a. 'Tosser'), other muscle-bound criminals, also pretending to be ordinary members of the crowd, will falsely-accuse the victim of cheating, kick over the table, start a fight or an argument, etc., all these are pre-planned distractions created just to enable the 'Tosser' to run away with the money. Complaining-victims can also be silenced by telling them that they cannot go to the police, because they were breaking the law by gambling in the street.