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'FL / MLM' Thread 3

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Eyespying · 12/08/2015 08:43

Continuing the valuable discussion of 'Forever Living' and other 'MLM/commercial' cults.

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shirleyknotanotherbot · 19/11/2015 23:10

Posting here because I don't want this thread to die - I have learnt so much from it. I have read both MoD and Fake it till you make it. Any other suggested reading matter?

Eyespying · 20/11/2015 00:46

shirleyknotanotherbot - 'Fake Till you Make It' - A disturbing little book which many people consider to be the original 'Amway' exposé (by Phil Kerns).

www.amquix.info/fake_it_all.html

Perhaps you've seen the published-version which is illustrated with unique, behind-the-scenes photos taken openly at 'Amway' mass-meetings (some show adherents buying uniform dark suits - so they can dress up just like real businessmen).

Phil Kerns was briefly an adherent of 'The Peoples Temple,' but only in California in the 1970s. He quit before Jim Jones ran away to Guyana and caused the deaths of more than 900 people (including Phil Kerns mother and sister).

Phil Kerns first wrote a book on the 'Peoples Temple' with 'Amway Diamond,' Doug Wead.

www.amazon.com/Peoples-Temple-Tomb-Phil-Kerns/dp/0882703633

Wead brought Kerns into 'Amway' and apparently encouraged him to write another book falsely believing it would be a flattering portrait of 'Amway/MLM,' but Kerns immediately realized, and wrote about, the alarming similarities between 'Amway' and the 'Peoples Temple.'

A more thoughtful book on cultism in general, and 'The Peoples Temple' in particular, is 'Seductive Poison' by Deborah Layton (whom I have briefly met). Deborah was the person who escaped from 'Jonestown' and who tried to blow the whistle in Washington. Strangely Deborah's older brother (who survived the J'onestown' massacre, but was jailed for murder) went to school in my home county of Yorkshire.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seductive_Poison

Have you watched this 'Amway' doocumentary-film rarety?

www.dailymotion.com/video/x2olkl8_witajcie-w-zyciu-aka-welcome-to-life-1997-englishsubs_school

In a jaw-dropping moment in this, an 'Amway' shill (speaking to a Polish audience in the 1990s) describes the 'Jonestown' massacre and says something to the effect that, if this American guy, Jim Jones, could get 900 people to drink poison, surely you can find a handful of Polish people to join 'Amway.'

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Eyespying · 20/11/2015 09:09

In the above video link, Phil Kerns former friend, 'pastor' Doug Wead, appears at approximately 38 minutes.

On stage in Poland (filmed in 1995) Wead (a seasoned 'MLM' shill-performer) pretends to be reading a letter from a poor woman who desperately wants to 'build the Amway business', but whose husband is 'negative.'

The fake letter says:

'Apart from poisoning my husband, is there anything else I can do?'

Wead's advice to the 'Amway' women in the audience for dealing with their own 'negative' men, is worthy of a stand-up comic, but spine-chilling all the same:

'Men are real easy. You can get a man to anything you want. Sit up and bark like a dog. Wouf wouf wouf wouf wouf wouf. Roll over -that's an easy one. Do Amway! You can get a man to do anything. We're talking 15 minutes tops. We're all the same. (Glancing up at the heavens) It's not our fault.'

At approximately 42 minutes, Wead's advice to the Polish men in the audience about how to train their women to build the 'Amway business' will probably make MN members want to throw up.

It shouldn't be forgotten that Doug Wead was an 'advisor' to Presidents George Bush and George W. Bush, and that his field of expertise was seducing the 'Religious Right.'

mlmtheamericandreammadenightmare.blogspot.fr/2014/03/doug-wead-patrick-buisson-blackmailers.html

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ambler21 · 20/11/2015 10:11

Marvellous, more reading material for the train. Thanks, as always, Eye.

FATEdestiny · 20/11/2015 10:34

Very interesting thread. My neighbour has recently started these working from home mega boasts and is trying to encourage others to join her. Strikes me as very odd, maybe it's a MLM? She is selling (and recruiting sellers of) Arbonne skin care.

Eyespying · 20/11/2015 11:28

FATEdestiny - I'm sorry to tell you that 'Arbonne' is yet another 'Amway' copy-cat blame-the-victim 'income opportunity' cultic racket.

Hopefully, your neighbour will not remain in 'Arbonne' for long, but whilst she does, she will 'just love the products', and be 'making lots of money' as part of reciting the same old comic-book 'negative vs positive' recruitment script which eventually she might employ without a second's thought.

'Arbonne' shills are everywhere on the Net. They are perverted Evangelists who steadfastly pretend to have access to an exclusive secret knowledge - a 'step by step plan of duplication,' which can transform ordinary poor ugly enslaved humans into financially-free beautiful superhumans, and that they are willing to share this life-changing good news with anyone (for a price).

Behind their 'commercial/direct selling' camouflage, 'MLM' cults are essentially no different' to 'Scientology,' but they are a more-widespread and, therefore, more-pernicious, because they have remained largely-unrecognised by mainstream journalists, legislators and agents of law enforcement.

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Eyespying · 20/11/2015 11:40

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xenu1 · 20/11/2015 15:31

Eyespying: wrt Jonestown/Peoples Temple the best book IMO is Shiva Naipaul's "Black and White" (in U.S., "Journey to Nowhere"). Naipaul was able to visit Jonestown after the mass suicide and his account of how the Temple grew within Guyanan corruption and how those who should have known better allowed themselves to feed off Jones' 60s radicalism is funny, bitter and disturbing. (Some of the survivors' accounts are self-serving, understandably. Naipaul is much harder. Black and White and Bare-Faced Messiah are two of the best sceptical books I have read and made an impact in my life.)

Anyway, back to MLMs :)

shirleyknotanotherbot · 20/11/2015 16:21

Thank you Eyespying - lots of suggestions. I have just seen that there is a series called Brainwashed on Really TV. Probably a bit lowbrow for you but might be interesting?

Eyespying · 20/11/2015 17:12

xenu1 - On the whole, I agree with you, but I think that Deborah Layton's shockingly frank personal account of how she finally faced reality, and tried in vain to prevent the 'Jonestown' tragedy, serves no other purpose than to try to set an uncomfortable truth before the world.

Deborah Layton warned US government agents and legislators that Jones was a drug-fueled abuser, planning mass-murder/suicide with poison and military weapons. She was savagely attacked and ridiculed by Jones' attorneys and propagandists when she blew the whistle in Washington and the US media. They repeated Jones' lies and pretended Deborah was a practised liar who had been expelled from 'Jonestown' and who had invented a crazy conspiracy theory to save face and make money.

Deborah Layton also shines a light into the antagonistic symbiotic relationship between all cult instigators/leaders and their followers. The more the followers believe the insigators' paranoid fantasies: the more the instigators need to believe them themselves.

There has been so much written about 'Jonestown' and many extraordinary facts uncovered; particularly, about Jones' financial links with the former 'Soviet Union.' Today, most people's view has been coloured by the violent end of Jones and his adherents, but prior to these events, Jones succeeded in fooling many useful idiots, to a point where the full truth was unthinkable.

Jones was even named 'Humanitarian of the Year' by the LA Times in 1976 (immediately prior to his flight to Guyana which was prompted by a forthcoming exposé in another publication).

'Bare Faced Messiah' is a particularly well-researched biography of L. Ron Hubbard by an experienced, brave and sceptical journalist. That said, there are certain points towards the end of the book where Russell Miller tended to play down the danger of 'Scientology.' Although he wasn't concerned with the wider cult phenomenon, Miller failed to observe that the apparent absurdity of cults, and the unoriginal fairy stories which control them, has often helped to protect their instigators from rigorous investigation.

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Eyespying · 20/11/2015 18:48

shirleyknotanotherbot In the end, I think anyone can work out how all totalistic cults function, provided they are first pointed in the right direction and are then prepared to forget their own ego and think the unthinkable.

A very accurate universal description of a cult, is George Orwell's allegory, 'Animal Farm,' in which he presents fact as a 'fairy story' to explain how humans can be enslaved and exploited by persuading them that a (Utopian, but paranoid) fairy story is 'fact.'

Essentially, cults comprise groups, and/or sub-groups, of people who have been subjected to co-ordinated devious techniques of social, psychological and physical persuasion, in order to push them into a self-righteous delusional state in which they completely accept a two-dimensional fiction as 'fact,' and in which they will sytematically exclude all quantifiable external evidence to the contrary, and vehemently insist that they are not in any way being controlled, enslaved and exploited.

For obvious reasons, most people find it very difficult to accept that ultimately-murderous cultic groups like Jim Jones' so-called 'Peoples Temple' were essentially no different to contemporary 'MLM' cults like the so-called 'American Way Association' (a.k.a. 'Amway'), but it is huge to mistake to judge cultic groups like the 'Peoples Temple,' with the benefit of hindsight.

I am, therefore, not particularly impressed by authors who write about cults with the benefit of hindsight (generally only after their leaders have been finally caught committing murder, and/or insighting their followers to commit murder), but who ignore cults with leaders who have been commiting all manner of crimes, but who have managed to maintain their monopolies of information without yet resorting to murder.

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shirleyknotanotherbot · 21/11/2015 08:24

Fair enough, I understand. I do however think that some retrospective analysis - even (or maybe particularly?) in this sensationalistic form - can raise awareness and could help people to notice manipulative behaviours in their own lives?

Eyespying · 21/11/2015 09:28

shirleyknotanotherbot- You are right, and Britain seems to have produced more than its fair share of authors who have tried to explain systems of mental manipulation and human exploitation in a populist (some would say sensationalist) format. Charles Dickens also springs to mind (particularly, 'Oliver Twist').

In 'Animal Farm,' Orwell (a socialist) succeeded in showing-up totalitarian (Utopian) bullshit dressed up as 'extreme socialism,' but even then, many people (particularly, Americans) preferred to believe that Orwell was merely criticising socialism. Orwell's own American publishers actually encouraged readers to make this mistake, because it was good for business. Orwell himself gave insightful interviews in which he corrected the mistake and actually said that he believed that the same phenomenon would reappear in a different disguise.

Ironies of ironies, did you know that when Orwell died in 1950, the CIA (dressed up as a private association) bought the screen rights to 'Animal Farm' , and later 'Nineteen Eighty-Four,' from the author's widow, Sonia? -turning the former into an animated film and the latter into a Movie.

Legend has it that when Orwell's widow was initially approached by a CIA agent, she didn't want to play ball, so a Hollywood heart-throb was brought in to persuade (manipulate) her.

www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/how-cia-brought-animal-farm-to-the-screen/

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Eyespying · 21/11/2015 09:46

shirleyknotanotherbot - Have you found the work of Robert Jay Lifton and Margaret Singer, which I've already posted on MN, but which I'll post again here.

Building on Lifton's and Singer's solid foundation (and after much research) I concluded that (pernicious) cultism is an evolving criminogenic phenomenon which can be briefly defined as:

Any self-perpetuating, non-rational/esoteric, ritual belief system established or perverted for the clandestine purpose of human exploitation.

However, since phenomena cannot be accurately defined; I set down the following, essential, and universal, identifying characteristics of a pernicious cult and I published these in 2005.

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In 1961 (after many years of field-research, interviewing US servicemen held prisoner during the Korean War), Robert Jay Lifton (b. 1926) published, ‘Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism.’ In this standard, medical text-book, Lifton identified 8 ‘themes’ which, if present in any group, indicate that its members are being subjected to a mixture of social, psychological and physical pressures, designed to produce radical changes in their individual beliefs, attitudes and behaviour.

1). ‘Milieu control’ — the attempted control of everything an individual experiences (i.e. sees, hears, reads, writes and expresses). This includes discouraging subjects from contacting friends and relatives outside the group and undermining trust in exterior sources of information; particularly, the independent media.

2). ‘Personal or mystical manipulation’ — charismatic (psychologically dominant) leaders create a separate environment where specific behaviour is required; leading to group members believing that they have been chosen and that they have a special purpose. Normally group members will insist that they have not been coerced into group membership, and that their new way of life and beliefs are the result of a completely free-choice.

3). ‘Demand for purity’ — everything in life becomes either pure or impure, negative or positive, etc. This builds up a sense of shame and guilt. The idea is promoted that there is no alternative method of thinking or middle way, to that promoted by the group or by those outside it. Everything in life is either good or bad and anything is justified provided the group sanctions it as good.

4). ‘Confession’ — personal weaknesses are admitted to, to demonstrate how group membership can transform an individual. Group members often have to rewrite their personal histories and those of their friends and relatives, denigrating their previous lives and relationships. Other techniques include group members writing personal reports on themselves and others. Outsiders are presented as a threat who will only try to return group members to their former incorrect thinking.

5). ‘Sacred science’ — the belief in an inexplicable power system or secret knowledge, derived from a hierarchy who must be copied and who cannot be challenged. Often the group’s leaders claim to be followers of traditional historical figures (particularly, established political, scientific and religious thinkers). Leaders promote the idea that their own teaching will also benefit the entire world, and it should be spread.

6). ‘Loading the language’ — a separate vocabulary used to bond the group together and short-circuit critical thought processes. This can become second nature within the group, and talking to outsiders can become difficult and embarrassing. Derogatory names, or directly racist terms, are often given to outsiders.

7). ‘Doctrine over persons’ — individual members are taught to alter their own view of themselves before they entered the group. Former attitudes and behaviour must then be re-interpreted as worthless, and/or dangerous, using the new values of the group.

8). ‘Dispensing of existence’ — promotion of the belief that outsiders — particularly, those who disagree with the teaching of the group — are inferior and are doomed. Therefore, they can be manipulated, and/or cheated, and/or dispossessed, and/or destroyed. This is justifiable, because outsiders only represent a danger to salvation.

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Another giant in the field of academic research into the cult phenomenon, is Prof. Margaret Singer (1921-2003). Her major work which was published in 1996, is 'Cults in Our Midst.' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cults_in_Our_Midst). In this, Prof. Singer set out 'six conditions' in which totalistic thought-reform can be achieved:

1). Keep the person unaware of what is going on and how attempts to psychologically condition him or her are directed in a step-by-step manner.

Potential new members are led, step by step, through a behavioral-change program without being aware of the final agenda or full content of the group. The goal may be to make them deployable agents for the leadership, to get them to buy more courses, or get them to make a deeper commitment, depending on the leader's aim and desires.

2). Control the person's social and/or physical environment; especially control the person's time.
Through various methods, newer members are kept busy and led to think about the group and its content during as much of their waking time as possible.

3). Systematically create a sense of powerlessness in the person.
This is accomplished by getting members away from their normal social support group for a period of time and into an environment where the majority of people are already group members.

The members serve as models of the attitudes and behaviors of the group and speak an in-group language.

Strip members of their main occupation (quit jobs, drop out of school) or source of income or have them turn over their income (or the majority of) to the group.

Once the target is stripped of their usual support network, their confidence in their own perception erodes.

As the target's sense of powerlessness increases, their good judgment and understanding of the world are diminished. (ordinary view of reality is destabilized)

As the group attacks the target's previous worldview, it causes the target distress and inner confusion; yet they are not allowed to speak about this confusion or object to it - leadership suppresses questions and counters resistance.

This process is sped up if the targeted individual or individuals are kept tired - the cult will take deliberate actions to keep the target constantly busy.

4). Manipulate a system of rewards, punishments and experiences in such a way as to inhibit behavior that reflects the person's former social identity.
Manipulation of experiences can be accomplished through various methods of trance induction, including leaders using such techniques as paced speaking patterns, guided imagery, chanting, long prayer sessions or lectures, and lengthy meditation sessions.

The target's old beliefs and patterns of behavior are defined as irrelevant or evil. Leadership wants these old patterns eliminated, so the member must suppress them.

Members get positive feedback for conforming to the group's beliefs and behaviors and negative feedback for old beliefs and behavior.

5). The group manipulates a system of rewards, punishments, and experiences in order to promote learning the group's ideology or belief system and group-approved behaviors.
Good behavior, demonstrating an understanding and acceptance of the group's beliefs, and compliance are rewarded while questioning, expressing doubts or criticizing are met with disapproval, redress and possible rejection. Anyone who asks a question is made to feel there is something inherently disordered about them to be questioning.

The only feedback members get is from the group; they become totally dependent upon the rewards given by those who control the environment.

Members must learn varying amounts of new information about the beliefs of the group and the behaviors expected by the group.

The more complicated and filled with contradictions the new system is and the more difficult it is to learn, the more effective the conversion process will be.

Esteem and affection from peers is very important to new recruits. Approval comes from having the new member's behaviors and thought patterns conform to the models (members). Members' relationship with peers is threatened whenever they fail to learn or display new behaviors. Over time, the easy solution to the insecurity generated by the difficulties of learning the new system is to inhibit any display of doubts—new recruits simply acquiesce, affirm and act as if they do understand and accept the new ideology.

6). Put forth a closed system of logic and an authoritarian structure that permits no feedback and refuses to be modified except by leadership approval or executive order.
The group has a top-down, pyramid structure. The leaders must have verbal ways of never losing.

Members are not allowed to question, criticize or complain. If they do, the leaders allege the member is defective, not the organization or the beliefs.

The targeted individual is treated as always intellectually incorrect or unjust, while conversely the system, its leaders and its beliefs are always automatically, and by default, considered as absolutely just.

Conversion or remolding of the individual member happens in a closed system. As members learn to modify their behavior in order to be accepted in this closed system, they change—begin to speak the language—which serves to further isolate them from their prior beliefs and behaviors.

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stopfaffing · 21/11/2015 12:58

Chilling and sobering reading, eye SadAngry.

Eyespying · 21/11/2015 13:50

stopfaffing Whilst addressing a group of Sci-Fi fans (in the late 1940s), L.Ron Hubbard is notorious for boasting that : 'Writing for a penny a word is a waste of time, because probably the best way to make a million dollars is to start your own religion.'

It would have been far more accurate for Hubbard to have said that, history proves that a significant number of mediocre, but narcissistic, little shits have all become fabulously wealthy by instigating their own exploitative, self-perpetuating, non-rational, ritual belief systems, and then peddling these as 'religion', 'philosophy', 'politics', 'medicine', 'economics', 'business,' etc.

Perhaps the most chilling, and sobering, aspect of all this is the fact that, in order to set out an accurate explanation of the cult phenomenon, one has to set out the universal formula for instigating a cult.

Not many people want to read 'The Universal Identifying Characteristics of a Cult,' but if you published a book entitled, 'The Best Way to Make $ Billions' (a step-by-step guide to starting your own cult),' it would probably become a best seller.

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ambler21 · 22/11/2015 10:30

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Eyespying · 22/11/2015 11:38

ambler21 When watching the likes of Dave O'Connor in full-flow, I'm reminded of the Biblical allegory of the bedazzling 'Golden Calf' (which was made out of its worshippers' own gold).

All these 'Mindset' Gurus peddle exactly the same bedazzling bullshit (albeit in a contemporary format); for the source of their own apparent golden 'success,' can only be their worshippers' own cash

A revealing excercise for your sadly-bedazzled friend, would be to read 'Animal Farm' and then consider which one of Orwell's characters Dave O'Connor corresponds to, and indeed, which one she corresponds to.

According to their contracts, all 'MLM Distributors' are equal, but according to their bank statements, some 'MLM Distributors' are far more equal than others.

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Eyespying · 22/11/2015 15:31

ambler21 This is quite an interesting discussion of the CIA's co-opting, and subtle adapting, of George Orwell's insightful wider-analysis of totalitarianism (as presented in 'Animal Farm' and 'Nineteen-Eighty Four') to fit the USA's own paranoid 1950s ('us vs them') agenda.

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Eyespying · 25/11/2015 10:41

Over the weekend I was contacted by someone who triumphantly says that he managed to persuade a friend (who was turning into an FLbot), to stop and turn back before it was too late, by showing her this article in the Daily Mail and having a toe to toe argument that ended in tears.

Sadly, right now, this anonymous correspondent doesn't want to enter the discussion himself on MN, but he wants MN readers to know about his own experience and he has given me permission to post this:

At first I thought it was funny, but suddenly I could see she was not the same. She was in MLM la la land bragging about the cars, holidays, dream lifestyle. What you have about delusions and cults on the Blog is spot on. I found identikit FL distributors on Facebook. They are like these Nigerian scam victims described by the Mail. Even with all the publicity about fake lotteries always still some people are wanting to believe they have won millions, but the catch is they first got to jump through the hoops before they can touch the prize. It's f fiendish because the con artists keep moving the prize. The closer victims think they are to the prize, the more money they have to lose.

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Eyespying · 25/11/2015 10:43

Whoops, I forgot to post the link to the Daily Mail article.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3221046/Nigerian-conman-cheated-pensioners-5m-life-savings.html

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Eyespying · 27/11/2015 09:56

MN members, particularly those who legally-qualified, will draw their own conclusions from the following news from the USA.

www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/25/us-herbalife-lawsuit-idUSKBN0TE23H20151125

Two days ago (for the third time), a US federal judge, Dale Fischer, refused to bite the tip of the 'MLM' bullet, and has now definitively ruled that a civil lawsuit filed against 'Herbalife,' and its senior corporate officers, by a group of former-investors (who lately, freely-accept that they were duped into buying dangerously-volatile shares in a dissimulated pyramid scheme), cannot go ahead.

When you sift through the largely-irrelevant detail of this morally, and intellectually, relativist ruling, we discover that the Judge is not saying that Bill Ackman's unoriginal published analysis of 'Herbalife' (as an effectively-valueless corporate front for a pyramid scheme preying on the vulnerable) is in any way inaccurate, or that individuals within the senior ranks of the 'Herbalife' organisation are not guilty of wrongdoing, what she is saying is that:

-Prior to their buying 'Herbalife' shares, the complaining investors could have formed the same conclusions as Bill Ackman, because the information upon which he formed his own conclusions, was in the public domain.

-Bill Ackman's published analysis cannot alone be taken as proof that 'Herbalife' is a fraud.

-The plaintiffs' attorneys did not strictly follow legal precedent and produce specific examples of misleading statements made by the CEO of 'Herbalife,' Michael Johnson.

-The plaintiffs failed to show that Michael Johnson personally knew of the wrongdoing inside his company, therefore, they didn't prove the CEO of 'Herbalife' to be a liar.

As ever, the morally, and intellectually, probing question which the plaintiff's attorney's failed to put to Judge Fischer, was:

Given that the empty tax-record (in more than 100 countries around the world) conclusively proves that the bosses of 'Herbalife' have always been occulting an overall loss/churn rate in their so-called 'MLM Income Oportunity' of effectivley 100%, what would be your personal reaction if a close friend, or a member of your own family (particularly a young person), came to you and excitedly announced that he/she was going to sign-up for the so-called 'Herbalife MLM Income Opportunity?'

The plaintiff's attorney's made absolutely no mention of my own published overall analysis of 'Herbalife' as being just one of hundreds of copy-cat counterfeit 'direct selling' companies which have all been shielding a form of ongoing major racketeering activity (as defined by the US federal Rackeeer Influenced and Corrupt Organisations Act, 1970).

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Reuters, Nov 25th 2015:

A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit accusing Herbalife Ltd (HLF.N) and Chief Executive Officer Michael Johnson of defrauding shareholders by misrepresenting that the weight-loss and nutritional products company's complied with laws designed to prevent pyramid schemes.

U.S. District Judge Dale Fischer in Los Angeles decided on Monday that the Oklahoma Firefighters Pension and Retirement System failed to show that the defendants intended to deceive shareholders and materially misrepresented Herbalife's business.

Fischer, who had thrown out two earlier versions of the lawsuit, dismissed the case with prejudice, meaning it cannot be brought again.

Herbalife shares were up 26 cents at $58.39 in Wednesday morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

The lawsuit is separate from the campaign against Herbalife by billionaire activist investor William Ackman of Pershing Square Capital Management LP, who in December 2012 announced a $1 billion bet against the Los Angeles-based company.

Herbalife has long denied that it is a pyramid scheme, which often occurs when participants earn more money by recruiting others to sell products than by selling the products.

The Oklahoma fund's lawsuit accused Herbalife of "grossly" understating the percentage of sales going to retail customers.

It also said Johnson was closely involved in Herbalife's day-to-day affairs, making him familiar with the alleged deceptive activity, and took advantage of a share price he knew was inflated by selling more than $126 million of company stock.

Fischer, however, said that despite new allegations about Johnson's "hands-on" involvement, the lawsuit still failed to sufficiently allege fraud.

"Plaintiff has had multiple opportunities to correct shortcomings," she wrote. "An amendment would be futile."

Maya Saxena, a lawyer for the Oklahoma fund, did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Wednesday. Herbalife, in a statement, said it was "obviously pleased" with Fischer's decision.

The lawsuit sought class-action status on behalf of shareholders from Feb. 23, 2011 to Dec. 19, 2012, when Ackman disclosed his short bet.

In May, another federal judge approved Herbalife's $15 million settlement with distributors who said the company misled them.

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