MLM-bot watch - FL, Juice Plus, Younique etc

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today's update: My FLbot has signed up her sister to join her number one team!!!!!

How have we missed it, there is another success day tomorrow. #successday

#spendingdaywithmyfamily

Just thought you might want to see someone smashing it.

If you have to actually say you're an honest person...

The photos from success day are coming in,

#wishingyouwerethere

Ohmygosh22 I had one health bot (shares all the shoddy health advice and does juice plus) tout that sugar caused ADHD and ASD.

Haha!

Juice Plus has really died down on my feed - one bot that was JP had her own salon, ended up changing her salon facebook page to be dedicated to JP... like 6 months later she had to give it all up (even the salon) and is now working in McDonalds. Pretty sure at the time she was boasting about how much money she was making too. Should be an advert against MLM.

Plus, she was really really overweight. I dont understand why anyone would buy weightloss products off of someone obese!?

As a mum of a child with ASD I get really cross at the blame game that some mlm bots like to play. Many people blame themselves as it is without others muscularing in.

Yes the photos are coming on in full force. My flbot is having drinks on a yacht, turns out to be a Hotel on a yacht in London. Think its quite expensive, but she is all excited about the yellow suitcase she is receiving at the "success day". Hmmm very expensive suitcase methinks

My bot is at the 'success day' today. Put her kids somewhere for the weekend and sped off in her Audi. Won't be long now until we see photos of an auditorium full of people taking photos of othe people holding massive cheques.

Is that true that fl has been awarded a gold Investors in People award, as mentioned in Ohmygosh's youtube clip?

Also, another quote from the same clip:-

"fl trade in more than 150 countries... it also means that more than 150 governments have had a look at forever and their practices and have approved us to work within their country". where's the evidence, love .

Here's another quote...

"I have made my first promotion after five weeks which is manager, this will secure a future income for me and my family for the rest of our lives which is really exciting". I bet it is, but where's the real evidence to back up all these 'claims'? She goes on to say "I'm loving my journey so far with forever and really excited about the future". Yes, all five weeks of it so far. Let's see what you say this time next year.

Yes, it's all very carefully scripted and I can see why people might be attracted to 'joining' but there's no evidence to back the various 'claims'.

I have to be careful what I wish for. I really wanted a Bot on my feed and for the past few weeks someone has been posting some things that were suspiciously FL sounding. I ignored them as I thought there was no way that individual would be so silly, then woke up this morning to an invite to her FL page.

She's incredibly intelligent and has a very well paid job that I thought she loved. I'm grudgingly impressed at how well FL manage to sucker in the best of them.

Apparently today someone has been promoted to shiny manager earning circa 0.5million a year, that is boardroom salaries of major FTSE companies (I'd imagine) how? Where is this money? The product sells a bit but not enough for that, people join but surely not that many to pay that by the top rungs of the ladder, so where does the money come from? I don't get it, I really don't. I know success days obviously raise some money but surely it can't just be that, so where does the money come from that you can have a pay structure at the top on a par with Tesco et al.

little they could be lying. the payment plan of FL is extremely opaque and impossible to verify so it could be BS.

Hold the phone, I think my FLBot wins the prize.

On her wedding day, we have this little post accompanied by a picture of her in wedding dress and her dashing groom, plus 4 pictures of various FL products. My gast is well and truly flabbered.

What an amazing day
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Off on honeymoon in the next few days
If there is anything you need just comment below or message me

Alternatively you can Order straight from my website

Trying to work out how FL bots get paid.

I find it a little disconcerting the website states clearly

'No salary cap.

Corporate jobs limit your pay range based on a market standard. With Forever Living, there is no cap on how much you earn. The harder you work, the more money you make.'

anyway...

This is what I can figure out.

The bot buys the products at a wholesale price. The bot sells these for around 30% more. That's their cut from each product sold. Not all do. Many give extra discounts and eat into their own profits.

You get a personal discount if you sponsor new recruits up to 18% I think... I'm not sure if you can use this discount to buy stock for selling on. Its not clear at all.

you get a bonus % for each recruit who hits a management role (supervisor etc) 'group volume bonus' sounds a bit airy fairy to me but you know...

you also get a bonus for every manager in your downline at 2%. So if I'm right that bonus requires you to sign up a fair few people and for those people to sign up people so that bonus is probably never going to happen.

and lets be realistic. Out of all that if you sold a £100 worth of stock in a month, had an impressive downline you'd only make up to £35

so for the PPs bot who made £500 she would have to have sold approx £1500 of stock assuming she gets the full 30% bonus and didn't offer discounts. In reality probably sold £500 and could have received a bonus of 0 -30% so anything up to £150.

My own Bot puts orders in every 3 weeks. I don't know if thats normal or standard but if it is £0-£500 every 3 weeks isn't going to cover a car plan, fancy goods and holidays aswell as pay for a future.

Please correct me if my maths is off! its late on a sunday ;)

also the promotion thing Isn't actually about success

'No Pass-Ups

Nobody in your downline should ever be promoted above you. A promotion for them should be a promotion for you too.'

so on that basis it seems you just need to sign people up who sign others up and you get a promotion. Its not all about targets.

• • bot update * *

we have before and after selfies of a botox type product! I cant see any difference tbh. No comments.

juice plus lady is tagging overweight ladies again with another deal

£150 isn't bad for an event I suppose, no doubt to make people think they're onto something good with this con. Still not enough to cover the starter pack.

Because they have to use the 'pity sell' on friends and family to make their money I bet those kind of sales are never replicated. They'll always be chasing the high of that first hit.

Betty, of course it simply makes no sense. All MLMs rip off the sales force (Independent Business Owners). IBOs must:

1. Pay to join (starter pack)
2. Use the products personally
3. Pay for the tools, training, success days
4. If possible, recruit others who do 1 to 3 above

No one ever really retails. The only money made is by the MLM selling products to the IBOs (1 and 2) and the MLM/high-level pins making money from #3.
The profits on the success days are not to be discounted. The O2 was full - 20,000 @ £30 a ticket. Lots of profit for the organisers.

the bots don't get paid. They lose.

So glad I have found this thread. I've noticed bot posts on my FB feed from a normally intelligent woman I know. JP - I couldn't understand it really, but I see it's everywhere!

I haven't seen any FL stuff, but I'm interested to see it's going on still. Someone I know nearly got the sack from her actual salary paying job (but left before it got that far) a few years ago for trying to flog FL onto clients. It was quite sad really as I think she was in quite a lot of financial difficulty and these pyramid schemes sucker people in to thinking it will solve all their problems

Stopfaffing: "fl trade in more than 150 countries... it also means that more than 150 governments have had a look at forever and their practices and have approved us to work within their country". where's the evidence, love hmm."
Indeed. Amway used to say they "were in partnership" with major retailers such as Coca-Cola, Hershey, Nabisco etc. In fact all that meant is that they could resell Coke (at much greater cost than a shop!). Someone went to the trouble of asking each producer and got the official reply: From Coca-Cola: "Amway and its distributors are to represent themselves as independent companies and not as an affiliate of the Coca-Cola Company."

xenu1 I know. I didn't include the training they pay for I was highlighting how the system appears to work from the FL website itself. There is no mention of training and ticket prices to events are hard to find (I haven't had much luck finding exact costs) so didn't include that in my working.

I know after all the 'earnings' they make there will be overheads to deduct so that average of £150 every 3 weeks is looking more likely to be less that £50 if you take out your costs, the delivery/petrol fees, admin and just one training day a month. Even the online training costs money I'm just not sure how much.

Betty, apparently the bots also have to pay postage on the orders, dont know how much though. I think its a fixed amount as bot was asking if there were any more orders to save on postage

I've been trying to work out how much that party bot earned who took £500 of orders and it is really really difficult. I was assuming she was a new bot. New bots have to order at cost price and pay P&P which is £5 something. She will have had to pay for drinks and food for the party and paid £200 for her startup pack and more for literature, plastic shot glasses, printed raffle sheets etc.

From her £500 orders, £150 would go to her up line. I cannot see where it says in the policy how much money the bot would have been given.

Once she has sold 2 case credits worth of orders for two consecutive months she will be eligible to buy at wholesale prices and start earning a small percentage of sales from her own sales and those of her bots.

I will have to do a new set of calculations for a more established bot and see what they would have earned from the party.

A case credit is $132 of wholesale orders. Into pounds sterling, that's £86.48. Add the 30% mark up for retail prices and you get £224 of sales for 2 CCs.

Toobusytowee I worked my numbers out from what was on the UK FL site. There was no mention of not being able to buy wholesale unless you met a certain amount.

I have heard buying the starter pack gives you that 'bigger wholesale ticket' so to speak entitling you to more discount when purchasing ie a whole sale price @30%. Compared to someone who doesn't buy the starter pack.

From the UK page It says the bot can get up to 30% of the total orders and then specific %s from the downline but thats dependent on how many are in your downline.

surely the upline % is the same as the downline % ?

so if the bot gets for eg 2% of her downline's earnings that's what she would 'pay' her upline too? with the 2% being shared amongst them all. But the question is how far upline does that 2% go because if 2% of £500 goes to 10 upline bots that's just £1 each and the bots earnings from her downline would be the same. Its not much.

from the Forever living site. I've highlighted interesting/incredibly vague parts

And from what I can gather you only make money on your downline if they are managers!?

Bonuses, Bonuses, Bonuses

Forever Living Products relies on people like you to share our products. You’ll get our products at wholesale prices, and earn up to 43% when you sell them at retail prices. On top of that, you’ll get a Personal Discount of up to 18% for sponsoring each new Novus Customer and helping them make sales. And as you develop your Novus Customers into Assistant Supervisors, Supervisors, and Assistant Managers, you’ll earn a Group Volume Bonus of up to 13% on each of these team members.

If that’s not enough, you’ll start bringing in a Leadership Bonus for every manager in your downline, starting at a 2% bonus and going as high as a 6% bonus depending where they are positioned in your organization.

All these bonuses may leave your head spinning, but it’s actually very simple. Follow the proven Steps to Success. Help others follow it too. And before you know it, you’ll have more bonuses coming in than you can keep track of.

Actually, all of that is making my head spin. I need someone who Is far better with numbers and business than me. Also need someone who can verify how much postage for the products is, how much order sheets are, literature and leaflets, gift bags and associated sale stuff a bot may be required to purchase along with the training days.