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I've been sucked into forever living!! Why do I feel like the bad guy?

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KindergartenKop · 03/06/2015 20:27

Recently an acquaintance emailed me to ask if I could 'help' her by trying a few products and giving her some feedback. Being the nice person I am I agreed. When the bag of samples turned up the penny dropped and i realised that she's trying to sell them to me (I'm naive I know!). I thought id just buy a little bubble bath. Its fucking 14 quid! No way. I'm sending the bag back and pleading eczema. Does this whole company operate by guilting friends and family into purchasing crap quality at ridic prices?

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GinSoakedBitchyPony · 10/06/2015 23:52

Tonight my friend has been at a hotel for 3 hours, in one of their conference suites, to promote the business. She put out 50 chairs. Only 7 people turned up. No time with the DC this evening then? And how much was it to hire the suite?

Alice They call the Pamper Packs something ridiculous like Pupps, god knows what it stands for.

Alice1983 · 10/06/2015 23:58

I have experienced working from home. It's anything but glamorous. I quickly gave it up. LOL Gin what a cringe name Blush

GinSoakedBitchyPony · 11/06/2015 00:02

Alice apparently, Google tells me it stands for 'Personal Use Product Pack'...cringe.

Alice1983 · 11/06/2015 00:06

And the Aloe Drinking Gel; sounds awful. Who wants to drink GEL?? Urggggg Sad

Nettletheelf · 11/06/2015 00:36

Many years ago, in my early 20s, I was the lodger of a bloke who did Amway. I never really understood what he did all day.

He had a big poster of an Escort Cosworth on the kitchen wall (it was the 1990s) "for motivation" but I never saw him sell any of the Amway gear. Instead, he used to get people round to the house to convince them to sign up as Amway salespeople. He used to ask me to pretend to be a visiting friend, rather than a lodger, so that the people he was suckering in would think that he was super successful (and presumably not dependent on my £50 a week rent).

I never participated in any of his sales pitches, and I felt quite uneasy because the people he was recruiting obviously didn't have much money and seemed quite naive. He used to tell them things like, "the only limit is your imagination" and bollix like that. I used to feel like saying, "Run! I think it's a scam!".

My landlord was quite keen to sell Amway stuff to me (he never tried recruiting me to flog the stuff because I was training as a chartered accountant so I think that even he could see that was a better option than sodding Amway). He was constantly telling me that Amway skincare and make up was better than Clinique etc. (which I didn't use anyway) and trying to get me to order mega expensive Amway make up sets. I don't know how I wriggled out of it, because I was less assertive then, but I managed to avoid investing!

He used to go mad when I brought non-Amway cleaning products into the house. He was in the cult, all right. I haven't read the Amway links yet but I'm looking forward to finding out how it worked.

I was also reminded of a girl I'd talked to at a friend's party a few years earlier, who told me about a 'marketing opportunity' that would 'allow her to retire before she was 30'. "As if!", I thought. I bet that was bloody Amway as well.

ShatnersBassoon · 11/06/2015 11:31

I tried the drinking gel at the presentation at the school. All I could say to the woman, whose face was about 6" from mine, was "It's not as disgusting as it could have been."

She really missed the mark that day!

MerdeAlor · 11/06/2015 12:02

ATrueNerd that money saving forum link was fascinating.

Sad to read that they used to encourage FLbots to spend on their cc to demonstrate trappings of a successful lifestyle before they'd even earnt money.

NedZeppelin · 11/06/2015 12:17

Fucking hell! This thread is like voodoo or somert. I have never had any of this shite on FB, just had a look and there is a liked post for juice plus right at the top of my feed.

[woo]

Melonfool · 11/06/2015 12:55

I think there is a difference between just selling some shit (Betterware etc) and engaging in these mental MLM/pyramid scheme things. It is the latter that are invasive and should be illegal.

It's annoying to have people trying to constantly sell you stuff when they are mates, but not as bad as having them trying to recruit you (and calling you 'hun').

Nettletheelf · 11/06/2015 13:50

One of my friends has recently dropped somebody who is flogging something called 'scentsy' (candles, I think?) because the drop-ee is constantly haranguing everybody she knows ("her network") to buy the stuff, hand over contact lists, sign up as Scentsy representatives and attend Scentsy recruitment seminars.

Do people getting involved in these schemes not understand that they are likely to alienate their friends and family? It reminds me of having to buy ludicrously expensive shower gel at other people's Virgin Vie parties out of obligation. If I was reminded of that obligation every week, I'd soon dread seeing the person and go out of my way to avoid them.

Luckily for me, I have so far avoided anybody flogging FL, Younique or Juice Plus.

missmargot · 11/06/2015 13:57

I did briefly have a FL friend in FB. She posted lots of statuses about how she was going to transform her life and give up her job to fulfil her potential etc and then details of a launch party. The day after the launch party there was a very passive aggressive update about how disappointed she was that her friends and family didn't share her dream or want to support her in her new life.

I also have an ex-colleague who now appears to be senior in Juice Plus. When I worked with her she was well respected in a well paying job. I can't work out quite what she is doing for them but when you Google her there are lots of You Tube videos of her on stage teaching people how to sell the stuff.

DavidSebastianWaghorn · 11/06/2015 14:18

Wow, a friend of mine is into this and until this thread I had no idea just what was involved. Her Facebook page shows her promoting the scheme at a jobs fair in the local FE College - I can't believe they would allow her to attend. I'm really shocked and feel pretty sad about finding this out, has really changed my opinion of her. She is also a member of a cult - type born again christian church so obviously is vulnerable to the methods used by the organisations. Sad and exploitative of vulnerable people.

xenu1 · 11/06/2015 15:12

Thx for the links to the MSE discussion - seems to sum it up - interesting that FL uses the Amway ranking (emerald, etc.).

With Amway, the cult pushes you to use the "System" - tape of the week, book of the month, seminars - all of which cost. The tapes are morbidly fascinating (I bought some cheap at Ebay as we had an Ambot at work and cults interest me). They charge £5 per tape and they must cost

Hellohellohowareyou · 11/06/2015 15:29

kendodd unless there was a national FL Online thingy last night we could be talking about the same person!

MissBattleaxe · 11/06/2015 16:23

The fact that FL reps are encouraged to sell mainly to family and friends makes me very uncomfortable and is just one reason I wouldn't ever do it. You could alienate or embarrass all the people who matter most to you. No job is ever worth that.

Ladyofsuspense · 11/06/2015 17:03

I've been sacked from both Virgin Vie and Avon for being far too honest about the extortionate costs and low quality of the products to my potential customers.

I might see if I can join this Aloe Vera shite train and get sacked from there as well!

SymphonyofShadows · 11/06/2015 17:10

That MSE thread is both enlightening and maddening. The ants and legs thing, what a bunch of arseholes! The bot was exactly as I thought she'd be, I'm just disappointed we haven't had one here yet.

Peacheykeen · 11/06/2015 18:03

Agree with symphony bunch of arseholes indeed. Why do they keep calling the higher up the pyramid and themselves infact "inspirations" what the hell is so inspiring about conning money out of vulnerable people selling them the "dream" . The Ants and legs thing had me raging ! I can't wait for this craze to fuck off

MissBattleaxe · 11/06/2015 18:44

kendodd unless there was a national FL Online thingy last night we could be talking about the same person!

I've been wondering about this. I wonder if the reps get a brief saying "You must all take a photo of a laptop in cafe/on a park bench this week and use the hashtag #myoffice"

I think they must do because so many of us have seen the same kind of post at the same time and we can't all know the same rep.

Hellohellohowareyou · 11/06/2015 18:55

There was also another poster who mentioned a husband and wife duo which is also the same as mine but I guess that could be pretty common.

We have also spoken to friends of the FLobots who say that all they do is work work work and very rarely see their children even though their FB statuses brag about them being the best parents EVER

NorbertDentressangle · 11/06/2015 19:09

I'm amazed that no FLbot has been on to defend it yet.

Either:
a) they can't defend it because we've hit the nail on the head so they'd look stupid trying to argue against what's been said or
b) they've been advised against defending themselves/FL on social media and in chatrooms etc

ATrueNerd · 11/06/2015 19:20

Oh I've just seen that (according to the lovely lady who conned my skint SIL out of £120)... Forever products are amazing for horses health! HORSES?!? And the products were used at the Beijing Olympics. On horses.

ATrueNerd · 11/06/2015 19:27

What can we do to stop them?! Online petition for them to be investigated? Make a pact to "call out" any BS we see on Facebook?! Memes to share that are blatantly taking the pee out of them?!

Peacheykeen · 11/06/2015 19:39

A true nerd I've just found a meme with Ned stark's famous "brace yourselves " . "Brace yourselves the forever living recruiters are out" can't seem to upload it though Sad

funkybuddah · 11/06/2015 19:42

I've just noticed that a friends fiancé has unfriended me on Facebook but all posts about her new business are public. Going to keep checking on hers!