AIBU to think that pensioners are NOT victims?

[SugarMouse1]

Sorry, but they have had about 40 years where jobs were very easy to get

It was comparitively easy for them to buy a house

They could have easily got a council/HA house (where the rent is FA) if they couldn't afford to buy a house......

They should have saved up for their retirement themselves, the taxpayer should not be subsidising them- Young people now can't retire until well into their seventies!

Totally agree mirry2. The above twats are fostering an ageist divisive attitude which is totally unwarranted.

We ARE all in it together. What precisely do they expect us to do. Kill ourselves so that they dont have to pay our pensions? I do hope it includes their own (perhaps not) dearly loved parents? And I hope they are prepared when they reach 70 to top themselves too [hgrin]

'IMO your posts are the equivalent of trying to stir up racial hatred, except it is hatred against the aged, who have done nothing to warrant it'

Yes, suggesting that the universal benefits of WFA and free bus passes from 60 be revoked it right up there with racial hatred.

Give me a break!

Suggesting that not all pensioners lived lives of pious deprivation and not all people who are not pensioners smoke, drink, go out, have dishwashers or other such generalisations is right up there with racial hatred.

expat - just revist your past posts why don't you? it only takes a step or two

God give me strength!!!

Why should I, my memory is fine.

I refute Brycie's assumption that all pensioners lived lives of pious deprivation, that they all suffered during WWII, that the government is a pay-in/get-out system like a bank. I asserted that the system is unsustainable and that to start the universal benefits WFA and free bus passes need to be revoked.

You see it as ageist, I see it as we all have to take cuts. All of us.

So raise the age of retirement, which the government has done, because life expectancy is rising, and end the universal benefits.

I guess the government is ageist, going and raising the retirement age! Bunch of plonkers.

'It's your generation who produce children without any means to support them and are rewarded with public housing and a income for life, we at least lived within our means'

I'm puzzled. How old are you expat? At which age group are you aiming your vitriol?

I'm very happy with raising the age of retirement so I agree with you there expat however i don't see how current pensioners can retire without a pension to live on.

Um, mirry, your little pal Sneezycake wrote that. You are quoting the wrong person if you believe I did because, well, my response to Sneezy had quote marks around it to show that I didn't write that paragraph.

I apologise expat - it's just that there are a whole bunch of you posters who seem to hold similar views

By the way I am not a pensioner

Yes, and that's that you can't make assumptions about pensioners just as you can't about all people who are not pensioners.

And that I believe WFA and free bus passes should not be universal and that the retirement age needed to be raised, which it has, because life expectancy is rising and the system we have now was not designed for this and so it therefore unsustainable in the long-term.

I said that regarding families who have never worked and will never work because they exist unfortunately. If the OP and her fellow nazis are saying we have no right to live, I am sure I am entitled to take an opposite and equally ridiculous stand!

I also said i have nothing personally against immigrants, single mothers, the workshy etc. I say live and let live, but if the OP is set to open the floodgates of prejudice with a totally ridiculous standpoint, I will do the same about her generation.

Expat you need some lessons in economic and social policy

As you are so informed about all this please tell me, what proportion of our welfare expenditure goes on free bus passes and WFA? How many pensioners actually use free bus passes regularly and what impact does it have on the availalbility of bus seats for far paying passengers? What impact has it had on activity levels and therefore health?
What impact has the introduction of WFA had on the health of pensioners and thus the economic and social demands on our NHS.

I dont even know what WFA is and I dont claim it Neither do I have a bus pass as working DH has a car.

Personally I think the OP and her cronies are just a lot of whinging, whining, envious no hopers who have nothing better to do with their time than create inter generational discord.

Waste of your time and mine trying to reason with them.

Live and let live, be happy, love your neighbour and care and contribute to your community

I only came to Money Matters to ask what to do about Wonga scamming £260 from my account hahahaha [hgrin]

sneezecake - Yes. Why am I wasting my time on this?

WFA = winter fuel allowance designed to help pensioners pay their fuel bill in winter and so keep warm. OAPS are notorious in not keeping their heating on in fear of large bills. They are also more likely NOT to feel the cold and so suffer from hypothermia.

Oh yes I do get WFA!! sorry I am a scrounging pensioner after all. We are reducing our fuel bill as best we can, solar panels (free), cavity wall insulation and loft insulation (all paid from savings!)

I am still a scrounger then.................creeping away with tail etc

The WFA costs the UK over £2 billion a year. Free bus passes cost England (couldnt find the figures for Wales, Scotland and NI) £1 billion.

When Universal Credit is introduced (along with rioting) I think it will be very hard for the government not to means test certain universal benefits that pensioners receive.

Bunbaker-

Its normal in many countries to not have a washing machine these days.

A pensioner doesn't need one anyway because they have all the time in the world to hand-wash the clothes.

Sneezecakesmum:

This is not about prejudice.

We are allowed to say what our taxes get spent on in a democracy.

Sugarmouse...you are HILARIOUS!

Yes its a democracy and I would bet my pension we and the over 50s would outvote all of the fuckwits like you. After all you will be far to busy feeling agrieved and working your fingers to the bone to take time off to vote

sneeze get off internet, you've got some hand washing to do