Bleeding, early scan and small for dates?

[QuestionsAnswered]

Had posted this in Pregnancy as I hadn't realised this section was here, so trying again here.

I am 6 weeks pregnant and have been bleeding lightly since Sunday, had an early scan today and measured 4-5 weeks. I am very regular 27/28 day cycle so this would be off for my dates and they said they could see only a pregnancy sac (4mm) and (no yolk?)

They think I am either having an ectopic pregnancy, ,miscarriage or am just earlier than expected. I have had blood taken today and again friday to check to see if hormone levels are rising

I feel that I am having a miscarriage as I have had no clear symptoms and the ones I thought I may be having had stopped.

I really am asking has this happened to anyone and is it most likely (as I feel) to be a negative outcome? I am also off loading a bit really as my head is spinning with it all. sad

Thanks.

We are very lucky to have them, it has definitely helped me these last couple of weeks

Thanks for the beechams am feeling bit better today.

Have to do a pregnancy test early this week and phone the EPU with the results, Not sure what they will do if it is not negative, probably just say do it again in another week

Won't feel quite the same as the last time I did a test

How are you today?

Aww sweetie, thats a bit pants. The last thing I'd want to do if I were you right now would be to take another PG test. My heart goes out to you. In a weird darkly stupid ass way I am sort of glad I had my fallopian tube removed with all the PG tissue inside. At least my hormone levels are at 3 or probably at zero now and I don't have to go through what you are going through. I know, stupid thing to say, but you might understand how I feel on that one....I think I'd rather have kept my tube though if I was given a choice!!

My stitches have a red raw rash all over them quite suddenly, so I am bathing them and trying to keep them dry with a pad. Today also seems to be migraine day. Yay!

It's getting worse... probably the screen, so I am going to eat chocolate and sit somewhere out of the sunlight.

I'll check here again tomorrow. You have been a wonderful friend to me. Thank you so much,

hugs xxx

Back from the hospital this morning, test positive so had to go in for blood tests and generally waiting for as long as I could again.

Up shot of the very long wait was that they had dropped to 300, so still not enough, but at least going in the right direction. Will test again next week......

And on and on....

I know what you mean about having all the pregnancy tissue gone, I just want to get back to 'normal', but I would definitely choose to keep a fallopian tube so TBH, I am still 'getting off lightly' in relation to what you have been through. I hope your stitches are ok today and haven't got any worse, the worrying just doesn't stop does it?! If it is getting worse it would be worth getting someone to have a look at them.

Btw, chocolate is not good for migraines, so send it to me

Thanks for your message, I have found a lot of comfort in posting on this thread with you too, it is good to have someone who just gets it iyswim.

Hi QA,

I just read your story and my heart goes out to you. I think I am about to go through exactly what you're going through.

I am supposed to be 7 weeks pregnant; started getting brown discharge on Sunday and lost my pregnancy symptoms (i.e. boobs no longer sore, don't feel as tired). At first I didn't think anything of it but then on Monday the cramping and bleeding started. Went to GP on Tuesday who referred me to Early Pregnancy Unit for a scan today.

The scan showed an 'early gestational sac' at around 6mm (which is the size if I was 5 weeks) and no CRL or fetal heartbeat. Cramps and bleeding are staying at same levels.

I had my first BCHG(?) blood test today, results expected tomorrow. And I have to wait for another test on Friday 19th which means results won't be out until Monday/Tues next week.

Every time I recounted my symptoms (and lack of pregnancy symptoms), the look on their faces was enough to tell me that they're not hopeful. They won't say anything until they know for sure but its the waiting that's killing me.

DH is being a rock but we're both quite upset. One minute I convince myself I've mc and the next I'm grasping at the slim hope that maybe I haven't. Would really love a definitive answer either way!!!

ThePFJ - I think you're really brave and your positive attitude / view has made me feel a lot better Hope your stitches are ok.

xx

Zyggy, the waiting is truly awful and I really feel for you as I wouldn't want anyone to go through this. I know that feeling of alternating between thinking it is going to be bad news and hoping that it is good news.

FWIW, there have been some really positive stories on MN (I think I have read every thread ever started!) in people in situations like this that have gone on to have successful pregnancies and until you have the blood results back you won't know for sure, but I know it isn't looking good at the moment so won't try and pretend otherwise.

Can't they get the blood results back to you in the same day? My hospital have done that each time and in fact this morning they were back in a few hours! I would beg ask and say you don't want to spend the weekend waiting for results. They can do it, it's just a matter of where they place their priorities. I think they lose sight of how long two days is to a woman in this position. It feels like forever.

I hope yours is a more positive story, feel free to keep posting here if you feel up to it and let us know how you get on. There are some really lovely people (including ThePfj, who is amazingly positive) who post on this board so if you wanted to get some advice or extra support, and you haven't done so already, then perhaps start a thread, they really are a good support. Lots of luck

Hi Zyggy, I wish I could say something wonderful to you to make you feel better, but there just isnt anything. Like QuestionsAnswered and I seem to say repeatedly 'we just want this to be over' and its so very true. For some unknown reason my body has ganged up on me and decided that this wasn't the time to be pregnant. Which is completely pants. The best thing to do is now try to let go of your hope because whatever is going to happen will happen. No amount of rest, worry, chocolate or superdoctors is going to change that. So distract yourself as best you can. Get friends over for a night of cards or watch some movies. Treat yourself to some shopping perhaps. I have and I feel lots better. Retail therapy is SO underrated!! I will be thinking of you though sweetheart, and I hope you get your answer as soon as possible. My hospital had blood results back in 1.5/2 hours, and I agree with Q&A on that one completely - shake em if you have to!!!

QuestionsAnswered - I am so sorry your bloods have dropped, but its for the best I suppose, I'll poke at the gods for you and demand they make them drop faster for you so you can get on with ttc. You do realise that when your levels drop to 0 the race is on between us to conceive dont you?? I'll wait for you and then we can get going
(only joking!..unless you think its funny!?)

I have some cream for my stitches area now and it feels much better. Having the stitches on my CS scar reminds me of when I had my baby Jack in my arms for the very first time. These thoughts never seem to do me any good - but Jack is being spoilt rotten as a result, the little tinker. Lucky boy he is!!

Sorry its taken a while for me to post, PC almost exploded. Which is nice... ...stupid computers....

Maybe if I stuff chocolate into the DVD drive it will work better??

Love ThePFJ xxx

Hi Pfj Glad you got the cream and it seems to be working. Must be strange linking the CS scar and stitches, 2 complete opposite events Bet Jack is loving all this extra attention.

Had a great day with my DS today, felt my most normal since all this happened so I am pleased, I think the HCG levels dropping has helped.

A race to TTC you say.... well I can be competitive but still really unsure what we will do. I change my mind hourly!

I hope you got your PC fixed properly, chocolate will definitely not help! Have you tried switching off and back on again

Hi guys, thanks for your advice. I called up the EPA unit today and negotiated with them. They said if I come in Fri by 11h30 they will 'put a rush on it' and try to get the results back to me before the lab closes for the weekend

Q&A... if you don't mind, I'll just hide here in your thread as much as everyone on here is great, starting my own thread will make it all too real.

Today I mostly did nothing. Told my boss what was going on and he told me to take off as long as I needed (I have an awesome boss, who's wife has had 3 MCs and 3 lovely kids). I popped out to buy more pads (bleeding hasn't let up yet but cramps are easing) and I almost passed out in Boots... was very woozy, probably wasn't a great idea to be driving but walking just seemed too far

Anyhow, am feeling much calmer and resigned to whatever happens. Nothing I can do at this stage, but I am having to learn patience... and anyone who knows me will tell you, that patience and me are in no way acquainted!! LOL

Hope you're both feeling better today!

As for PCs, my DH is an expert in these matters and he says you should take two asprin and call him in the morning ;)

xx

Hi all,

Before I go to bed Zyggy you can hide here all you want, we'll look after you, plus I have mini eggs!! That dizziness really worries me, so if you get any really intense pains promise me you'll call the hospital and talk to them. I know you haven't got an ectopic, but I worry anyways, so look after yourself ok?

I know what you mean about patience, I really haven't got any either, hence all the activities to distract myself.

LOL - where exactly on my computer do I insert these aspirin??

Questions - glad you feel better today.. our DS's are so lucky.

Hope you change your mind about ttc, you know that (pregnant) misery needs company right??

nightnight xxx

Afternoon Ladies,

Well it's official. They put a rush on my bloods and my HCG dropped from 730 to 150. So a definite MC. I have to go back next Saturday for another blood test for them to rule out ectopic.

Not the news I was hoping (against all hope) for but I was expecting it. I'm very, very sad but do prefer knowing 100%

We're off snowboarding tomorrow for a week, going to France. Can't wait to get out of here and do something to take my mind off things - and now I can acutally ride rather than sit at the chalet sipping non-alcoholic cocktails all day. So I won't be on here for at least a week but I will be thinking about you guys.

The nurse from the EPU gave me an NHS note and scans to take with in case I have to go to A&E (bleeding hasn't stopped but cramps have gone). She's been awesome - a great help / support, and went out of her way to help with getting me the bloods back asap. Which is a refreshing change.

DH has me on iron supplements and drinking loads of water which has helped with the dizziness. I'm also eating lots of chocolate and it's helping with the pain ;)

Now I'm rambling, just wanted to say thanks for your support. And I'm a little behind you two but, if it's not too presumptuous, as soon I've recovered (physically & emotionally) I will be joining your race TTC!!

xx

Zyggy, so sorry that it was bad news, but can understand your relief at knowing for sure now.

I am glad that you have had good support from the nurse, it makes all the difference. A week away will hopefully help you to recover physically and emotionally.

Iron supplements area good idea, I think I may start taking them too.

Come back after your week away to let us know how you are getting on. Look after yourself and let your Dh spoil you.

Pfj, am on way out, but will be here over the weekend. hope you are doing ok. Loved your misery loves company quote, so true!

Hi,

wow Zyggy your hormone levels dropped super fast, you are quite lucky, poor Question's hormone levels have been dragging out for ages. Have fun on your week away and take it steady.

Cant believe its been two weeks since my operation. I think my body is attempting to ovulate (cramps and other signs - I won't tmi you) but it feels a bit wrong. Hopefully next month it will have all settled down...?

In a week I'll start back on pregnacare. Am I going too fast here?? It took 10 months to conceive my Jack and only 4 months to conceive my last pregnancy.... I know now I was always judging my ovulation too late on, and it was 'doing it' earlier in my cycle that got us pg this last time. What if I get it exactly right next month and get pg. Will my body be ready?? The web says 6 weeks. One hospital doctor said to me to wait up to 3 months. I am so impatient to get pg and be happy. I know I have so much time. I am rushing aren't I? Maybe someone should give me a talking to. Maybe I should make an appointment with my GP and get him to give me a talking to.... I am the only one who can judge if my body and lifestyle habits are ready... but what if I cloud my judgement and end up with another ectopic because I am being stupid and rushing?

I better really really really use my brain and THINK about this.

Questions I think you might agree?

xxx

May. Must AT LEAST wait until May. Someone slap me.

Next month is only APRIL.

Nuts.

You must wait until May, repeat after me..I will wait until May. This cycle will give you a chance to recover and get to know your body again. I think you should go and see your GP anyway just to talk it through and check how long you should wait and ask why that is.

I am sure that part of you wants to get pregnant quickly to help you move on from everything that has happened and it won't be much longer, but it will help you enjoy the experience much more if you are physically and emotionally ready. Are your stitches all better now?

I will probably think about it more once I have had this weeks blood tests,i am really hoping that they have dropped to nearer to 100 or less May even join you on the other thread if they do

We have had a good weekend, much more normal than the last few. The sun has been shining so that always helps [smiles] Hope you have had a good weekend too.

You are right. I WILL WAIT UNTIL MAY. Maybe a bit longer. Body must be ticking along properly and completely healed before I try. I owe it to my next LO to be ready and relaxed.. Hurhur... patient. Me. Nargh.....

My stitches haven't even healed yet!!! And my belly still really hurts. Sod it, I am getting a prescription for more pain pills. And then I am going to try and rest a bit more and perhaps try to eat more.

I really hope your hormone levels have dropped by a more sizable amount. When is your blood test?

Would love to introduce you on the other thread if you want. But take your time if you like. Its all good.

Went out walking on the local nature trail on Saturday with a friend of mine. Jack's little legs lasted the whole way and he loved it. He's such a lovely little chap.

xxxx

Well you know what they say, patience is a virtue...

Must admit, it is not one of my strong points either! I am back for blood test on Wednesday. Keeping fingers crossed.

I think you should try and get more rest, I know it is easier said than done with a toddler, but you need to make sure you are looking after yourself too.

Nature trail sounds great, my DS has always enjoyed walking too, it makes it so much easier to get out and do things.

Just found this thread. Yesterday I discovered I've had a missed miscarriage. We went for my 12 week scan and found an empty egg sac from 6-7 weeks. We're feeling absolutely gutted. Would have preferred a 'normal' miscarriage, finding out at a dating scan is such a cruel joke. My body still thinks it's pregnant, has done for 6 weeks in fact. I'm hoping my hCG levels are dropping. They were 10,000 last night. Going back tomorrow to see if they've halved. We've been told they would put me on the emergency list for a D&C tomorrow night. We just want to get this sorted out as soon as possible. We're going on out honeymoon in less than two weeks. I know many people have similar experiences, does anyone have any advice as to how to get back on track?

Whoops. sorry for hijacking thread. Have started my own instead.

rgh.

Redheadgal I am SO sorry babes. You aren't hijacking, we are just wibbling to eachother now it seems. If you need any support or mini-eggs we are here for you. The only way to get back on track is to look after yourself and distract yourself as much as possible. As poor QuestionsAnswered has found out it can take AGES for your hormone levels to drop back down again

So just try to relax and do some shopping. Let people do things for you and keep talking here on mumsnet if you need a shoulder to cry on.

Questions - I haven't anything exciting to tell you at the moment other than I spent half an hour in tesco's today buying a new can opener and looking at mini-eggs. How sad am I?
Hope you can update me tomorrow with your test results.
DH has been very stern about me resting. Bless his cotton socks.

xxx

So sad for you all. I have been through m/c three times. I will post again but I'm at work at the moment and just wanted to send hugs.

Hi AliClamatis - hope to hear from you soon. Any thoughts and support is always so very welcome!! You think you are totally alone when you have a MC, like you are the only one feeling the way you do. And then you go on mumsnet and there we all are. It's amazing to think how many of us ladies are going through an mc or an ectopic every day... Has me blown away with sadness for each and every one of us. Having a MC completely sucks arse.

RedheadedGal, so sorry for you, you are right it is so cruel for you to get to your 12 week scan before finding out Must be devastating. What a difficult time for all this to be happening to you, with your honeymoon in 2 weeks too.

You are not hijaking, feel free to join in here, we are just rambling on now here! (though prefer wibbling as a term Pfj! ) I hope you get some advice on your thread too as I don't really know about what will happen, though from what I have read a D&C seems likely if it is a missed miscarriage and can often mean a quicker end to things, though this is only from reading bits and bobs. Hope you find out more tomorrow, will be thinking of you.

Pfj, glad your DH is making you rest. You can get help for your mini egg addiction you know Had a busy day today and am wiped out, early bath and bed for me I think. Will let you know how I get on tomorrow

Cross posts with PfJ

Meant to say Hi to Ali too

Thanks ladies. It's great to know there's such a lot of support on here. We've now told all the people who knew. It was our first pregnancy and we were very excited. I think we'll wait a bit longer next time.

PFJ - thanks for the mini-eggs offer! My DH has bought me iced buns . Good advice re retail therapy - new shoes and gym shorts

QA - hope your blood results are good tomorrow. I'm desperately keeping my fingers crossed that mine have dropped otherwise I'll need to hang on for another scan, but, as the consultant said yesterday, neither he nor any doctor in the hospital thinks for a minute that there is a live foetus in there.

Wow Redheadgal you are so lucky they are being so plainly honest with you. But also, it must make you very sad when they say things like that straight out too.

Wish I could say something to make you feel better. I am so sorry.

Hugs xxx