Bleeding, early scan and small for dates?

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Had posted this in Pregnancy as I hadn't realised this section was here, so trying again here.

I am 6 weeks pregnant and have been bleeding lightly since Sunday, had an early scan today and measured 4-5 weeks. I am very regular 27/28 day cycle so this would be off for my dates and they said they could see only a pregnancy sac (4mm) and (no yolk?)

They think I am either having an ectopic pregnancy, ,miscarriage or am just earlier than expected. I have had blood taken today and again friday to check to see if hormone levels are rising

I feel that I am having a miscarriage as I have had no clear symptoms and the ones I thought I may be having had stopped.

I really am asking has this happened to anyone and is it most likely (as I feel) to be a negative outcome? I am also off loading a bit really as my head is spinning with it all. sad

Thanks.

That's rotten - sorry to hear this is happening to you. I can't answer your question as I had a missed miscarriage which I found out about at my 12 week scan. I had stopped feeling sick some weeks beforehand but had just assumed it was part of the process rather than something being wrong. Remeber though that some people don't even get many symptoms so that isn't conclusive.

I just didn't want your post to go unanswered - I'm sure someone who has had a similar experience will be along soon.

The wait until Friday will be rough - try to stay as positive as possible though. I've read lots of stories on here where people have been worried about mc only for things to turn out just fine. I hope you get on alright.

I'm sorry. The waiting is the hardest I know. I don't have direct experience of what you are going through (have had 2 missed MCs myself - one at 13 weeks (baby died at 12 weeks), one at 11 (baby died at 9)).

Just to echo moofold really - the symptoms thing can be so misleading. Bleeding need not necessarily be a sign. I had nothing at all with my first MC, and a tiny amount of spotting with the 2nd. And yet when 14 weeks pregnant with my son I had a massive bright red bleed, a threatened MC and all turned out ok.

Sadly there can be signs and indications or nothing at all. It's a very worrying time. Hope all works out ok for you.

Hi

I went through similar. At 9 weeks, light spotting. 1st scan showed baby small for dates and no heartbeat. HCG blood tests showed that HCG was going down. 2nd scan confirmed MC. Stopped feeling sick shortly after 2nd scan but boobs stopped hurting 8 weeeks after ERPC.

I have read similar stories where there was a positive outcome. x

Thank you for taking the time to share your stories with me, I really appreciate it and I am sorry that you have all been through this too

The waiting is the hardest part, I am pretty resigned to it ending badly, but until I know for sure there will be a little bit of hope.

hi there questions , this is a dreadful thing to go through. i'm afraid i don't at all like the sound of your scan results and though i'm not a doctor and of course can't be sure, having been through this four times myself now, all at an early stage, i have some idea about things. I hope that i'm wrong. in my experience the waiting and not knowing is truly the most agonising bit. once you have bad news, if you get it, then it's horrible but you can at least get on and deal with it. the uncertainty, on the other hand, is almost impossible to deal with. thinking of you.

Thank you kissmummy. I feel for you that you have had to endure this experience 4 times. It is so cruel.

It is the waiting that is so hard and I have a feeling there will be more ahead. I get my blood results tomorrow afternoon by phone, so NHS being NHS that will mean nothing happens until Monday at the earliest

hi,

the same thing happened to me. had my scan today had had mc again but each pregnancy is different if you need to talk message me

Thanks zxcvbnm, must get harder each time

Have posted this here too as have two threads nor running!

I got a call just now to say my HCG levels had dropped slightly from 550 odd to 520 odd. I have to go back again in 2 days to have them done again.

The Doctor said it doesn't mean anything, even though I know it does.

They seem determined to not tell me very much and had I not looked in to things myself, by now I would be feeling much more positive than I should be from what they are saying. I am upset with all the waiting and putting off the inevitable.

I've posted on our Oct thread but just wanted to spread some ((((hugs)))) this way too. Thinking of you

Thank you Seashells, hugs very much appreciated

Hi QuestionsAnswered,

I ended up in hospital with an ectopic pregnancy/miscarriage. Ambulance took me in Thurs night with centralised pain over my right ovary. They removed my right fallopian tube after using a camera through my bellybutton to see what was going on. Still in shock, and on bedrest. Thanks for taking me off the ante-natal club list, glad one of us is thinking straight!!

I am sorry things don't sound good for you, I am thinking of you and I'll follow this thread while I rest.

Hugs to all here.

Love ThePFJ xxx

ThePFJ and I'm so sorry to hear your news. Goodness, I hope your recovery goes smoothly. Take of yourself x

PFJ, I can't believe what you have been through. Have been thinking about you a lot over the last couple of days. It seemed so strange how similar our situations were and the timings for it all going wrong.

Your emotions must be all over the place, I know mine are and I haven't had an ectopic to deal with. Must have been bloody terrifying. How are you coping? Like me, you have a small child to deal with too, are you getting enough support and practical help?

Hope you can manage to update here from time to time (hugs to you) x

QuestionsAnswered - Its been so good to know that somewhere out there I have a friend I have only just met going through the same as me. I can't tell you how much better it has made me feel knowing you are there. I so hope they can tell you for definate whats going on soon. I hated the doctors telling me over and over when they thought I had the threatened miscarriage that it could go either way, or that 'most women carry to term'. The first doctor to tell me it didnt look good because I should be 6 weeks (from my regular period LMP) pregnant not 4 made me feel better... because at least I 'felt' like she was telling it straight to me. I know you need a resolution so you can come to terms either way and get on with things, good or bad. Still thinking of you. Huge hugs.

As for me - I had a good cry a few times in the hospital, initiated by doctors not being able to put the canula in my hands for the 10th time and it hurting, or from listening to another woman in the ward screaming in pain for 20 minutes... mostly I am in good spirits... I think it hasn't really sunk in that I have a tube missing and my chances of getting PG again are reduced. I do feel optimistic about getting PG again though and I am definately going to try again in a few months.

I ache all over, my shoulders are killing me. My belly feels awful. I have plenty of pain meds though and my hubbie is trying to get me to rest.. although when I am stressed I like to tidy up so its a battle!!

I think I am just glad to be in one piece. The excitment of being pregnant seems like it happened months ago now, even though it was only last week on my birthday that I found out I was pregnant in the first place!

Hubbie and SIL have been brilliant so my little Jack is getting looked after well.. I am covering him in kisses alot, I guess cuddling him makes me feel better about losing this one.

Life is a rollercoaster....Up one minute with joy and down the next in empty shock. Feels very strange indeed! I know I'll be ok though.

Thanks for letting me vent on you!!!!

XXXX

You are doing so well to stay positive, I am sure that having your DS around will help with that. Their love of life is infectious.

I know what you mean about the time thing, I said exactly the same thing to DH this morning, this last week has felt like about a month has passed. Your experience in hospital will only have added to the whole cruel, yet quite surreal experience.

I am really pleased your DH ans Sil are supporting you and looking after you. Make sure you do take your DH's advice and get as much rest as possible. You will need time to heal physically and to get your head around what has happened in such a short space of time. A rollercoaster is a good way to describe it.

Agree with the needing it to be told to us straight too. I am surprised they feel the need to be so vague about it. I told the nurse today, while she was taking my blood, that the doctor had said on Friday that my falling HCH levels didn't necessarily mean anything and that I was actually quite cross about it as it clearly did and I didn't appreciate being molly coddled.

I also said that while they kept saying wait and see, I was actually clear to me I was experiencing this miscarriage, physicallyand emotionally and would appreciate some honesty and information The doctor is phoning with todays results later and will discuss then what to do next.

I have had some good support from MNers, and in particular Aitch, who I think has gone through what you have and has gone on to have a positive experience so, when you feel up to it and you are starting to think of next steps, it may be worth starting a thread and asking for her advice, She really has been kind to me.

I will keep checking on this thread and if you feel up to it and want to chat then please do.

I am having a lazy afternoon now with the Sunday papers and Sunday lunch, cooked by DH and am going to ignore the housework that is calling to be done

Hi again QuestionsAnswered, I am still resting, and listening to an audio book in bed while occasionally sneaking round to get some little bits done around the house. I think a lazy Sunday is a great idea.

I hope the doctor says something helpful to you today, I really really do.

I still feel positive, I don't think I was pregnant long enough to really feel like I am in mourning or anything. I know it sounds cold, maybe it hasn't hit me yet... but I only knew I was pregnant for a week before all this happened. I will continue to focus on getting my body healed and then I have decided to try to get pregnant again in May, I would love a february baby.

I am definately not happy about being incomplete though, with my tube missing and all!

I am going to lie down and eat chocolate and some fresh fruit now. Yum.

Hugs xxx

PFB, I can relate to your emotions re the pregnancy itself - my MC at 6 wks was emotionally alot easier to deal with than 12 weeks, when you have really settled in and got v excited.

The emotions surrounding the ectopic and subsequent surgery will be alot more complex and changing - I can't say I have been through the same thing, but I do know a mum whose first pregnancy ended in ectopic and surgery, and now has a v lovley little boy, so anything is possible

There are amazing MNers here who can give you advice and support - its how I discovered MN was when I was seeking and outlet for my pain, that didn't involve lashing out at dh or upsetting him further (he was scared/upset etc too) and will second QA's experience - there are some lovely people here.

Glad you have had a day chilling and resting and that you are getting lots of super help from SIL - enjoy your fruit and chocolate (mini eggs again, was it lol )

take care x

I spoke to the doctor about an hour ago (V late!) and she said my hcg levels were almost exactly the same, so they need to scan me Tuesday, she worried me by saying that they need to rule out ectopic now and that she would have preferred me to be in tomorrow, but they are busy and if I became unwell, I must go straight to hospital.

So, now it is late, I am worried, I will have to tell work what has gone on, as I am due to be working and I really didn't want ot tell them at all. Can't believe I am now going to have to wait until Tuesday.

I am getting so hacked off with all this uncertainty and worry. I was expecting a simple call to say the hcg levels were dropping and to come back in a couple of weeks to check all was ok. Just want to draw a line under it all now.

I am sorry to rant and will reread your posts to soak in all your positivity. I am glad you are looking to the future and, like you, I am grateful that if anything was going to happen, it happened so early on. It must take some coming to terms with that you have had surgery and one fallopian tube removed. I have seen (when just frantically searching!) that there is an ectopic prenancy trust website, it may be worth looking in to for support and information from others who have been there.

I hope you enjoyed the fruit and chocolate, the fruit must off set the chocolate

Awww Q&A I am so sorry, this is bad for you to be still wondering whats going on. I think we both know that theres not much hope for a PG now. So if you get any pain, any pain at all, please go in and kick up a stink until they see you immediately!!!

Keep me updated. I am here for you if you need me.

XXX

Thanks PFJ, have managed to keep busy this morning, and was with freinds who don't know so have had my mind taken off it, it is just the waiting that is driving me mad. Hopefully tomorrow will bring some clear answers after the scan.

How are you feeling today? Are you still being looked after, or has the start of the working week meant you are home alone? I hope you have replenished your chocolate supply! I have an overwhelming urge to just bake and eat the biggest cake ever.. in fact, may just do that this afternoon.

I was meant to be taking DS to see friends this afternoon, and though it was good for me this morning I just don't feel like pretending everything is ok again this afternoon, so may give it a miss and eat cake instead

What is the after care after an ectopic, do you have any follow up appointments to go to? I really hope that you are feeling better physically and that the sun is shining where you are too.

Yes the sun is out, but I don't much feel like going out either!

I have an appointment on Friday for a final blood test to make sure the PG hormones are leaving my system correctly, but thats it. I wasn't told anything after the operation until 24 hours later when the doctor came round and then I had to ask the questions in order to get any information out of her! I am guessing these stitches I have in my bellybutton and over my CS scar are disolvable... or they would have made an appointment to take those out.

I have a dental appointment to go to tomorrow which I have already resheduled once, but I think I may call in the morning to cancel that. I guess I should call the midwife to tell her not to bother calling me but.. I don't really feel like it. I don't fancy administrating my life much at the moment unless I have to!

I have DH here at the moment, so thats not so bad. Managed a bit of housework today. I have a friend dropping by tonight, funilly enough she is bringing me a belated birthday cake, so we can all eat cake today!!

I am having to literally force myself to eat though. I haven't been hungry since Thursday night when all the pain started. I know I have mentioned eating a few times, but that was me trying to make myself eat. I just forced down a small slice of pizza and I feel a bit sick now.

I am pretty exhausted so I'm going to lie down and watch an episode of big bang theory. Then I may get up and actually get dressed. This might help if I am having a guest tonight!!

All my love.

ThePFJ xxx

QA just popping in from the October thread to see how you are doing. I can't believe you are still in limbo. Its really awful treatment by the hospital. I may be missing something, but if they saw a sac on the scan, how could it be ectopic?? I'm sorry you are also going to have to tell work when you are not ready to. TBH I would kick up a stink with the hospital on Tuesday if you don't get any clear answers. You have been through enough and they are not helping.

I can't believe, they haven't even told you about your stitches PFJ, they expect us to be mind readers. I am glad you have got a friend coming over and that your DH is still with you.

I am sorry you are feeling so poorly and not wanting to eat, I would think it is probably a mix of pregnancy hormones still swishing about, the op itself making you feel ill, and feeling so crap in yourself you just can't face it. It is bound to hit you a little more each day, after the initial shock has worn off iyswim. You are doing the right thing trying to eat little bits though, to help build your strength up.

I really feel for you, presumably your friend knows what has happened so you can have someone to talk it through a little. Hope you get some good rest this afternoon. Hugs to you.

louey, thank you I think that it is less likely as they have seen a sac, but it can be a pseudosac (sp)? Not really sure, but reading up about it seems that seeing a sac does not always mean you are free from an ectopic. Not that the hospital have said any of this, that would require them to communicate, and as Thepfj has also found out, they seem to give as little info as is humanly possible.

I told work today and my line manager was just lovely, it was weird to tell someone as we still haven't told anyone else yet.

I am more settled today, was bad timing for them to phone so late last night and leave me trying to take it all in so close to bedtime. Will see what tomorrow brings....

Oh that's hard, QA. I haven't had an ectopic, but had a partial molar pg in 2008, and it's similar in that it drags on and on, so it's hard to move on, and there's the attendant (faint) possibility of risk to your own health that you have to deal with.

Sorry hosp aren't being great - we were v lucky with our consultant, who tends simply to lay things on the line and be quite frank.

Take time off work if you need to, even after everything is done - it's a hard thing to deal with.

Thanks Habibu

Reading threads on Mn, the waiting seems to be very common. I haven't heard of a molar pregnancy?

This experience has given me a whole new set of info, if nothing else I don't feel like it is an ectopic iyswim. Except for feeling very tired and having backache and I have had pains on and off since thus started, but nothing worse than normal period type pains, so I don't have any classic symptoms. I am hoping I am just a bit strange with my hcg levels and they are just taking longer than normal to drop, Fingers crossed.