Bleeding, early scan and small for dates?

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Had posted this in Pregnancy as I hadn't realised this section was here, so trying again here.

I am 6 weeks pregnant and have been bleeding lightly since Sunday, had an early scan today and measured 4-5 weeks. I am very regular 27/28 day cycle so this would be off for my dates and they said they could see only a pregnancy sac (4mm) and (no yolk?)

They think I am either having an ectopic pregnancy, ,miscarriage or am just earlier than expected. I have had blood taken today and again friday to check to see if hormone levels are rising

I feel that I am having a miscarriage as I have had no clear symptoms and the ones I thought I may be having had stopped.

I really am asking has this happened to anyone and is it most likely (as I feel) to be a negative outcome? I am also off loading a bit really as my head is spinning with it all. sad

Thanks.

Molar pg is where there are either three (partial mole) or one (complete mole) sets of chromosomes in a fertilised egg. Either way the pregnancy is not viable, but there's a small risk that if left unchecked, the cells will multiply and become malignant. It's well monitored, but long-drawn out and a PITA on top of teh pain of a mc.

The body has a truly awful way of making something terrible in to something even worse.

Hope you made a full recovery and glad you had a good consultant.

I am absolutely fine - was signed off in Dec 08, got pg in jan 09 (!) and the result of that is fast asleep in his pram. It was veryu hard at the time (needed 2 ERPCs) but MN were wonderful. Keep posting on this thread - the support here is unparalleled.

That's fantastic. What a great start to 09 you had!

I agree about the support on MN, it really has been great.

Hi Questions and everyone,

Had a lovely night eating victoria sponge cake and drinking tea talking to my friend.

It's nice to know that women here have successfully carried a baby to term after a miscarriage or even an ectopic. I wonder at my chances of getting pregnant now, I am optimistic, but I suppose I am less likely than I was before.

I am curious about whether you still ovulate every month after having a fallopian tube removed or would it be every other month? I must try to look that one up.

I am glad your work are being supportive for you Questions, I think your manager knowing what you are going through is going to be a massive help!

Will check in tommorrow to see if there is any news from you.

I am EXHAUSTED now, stayed up far too late. Need sleep.... ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz

Glad you had a good night PFJ, it will have been good to talk to someone else. Hopefully, Mners can help you with some of the questions you have. It is a shame that the follow up care is so poor, that you haven't been given the chance to do this with the hospital

I am now back from the hospital, have an horrendous internal scan that took way too long. They are pretty confident that it isn't an ectopic and that I have had a miscarriage, there was no sign of the sac. They checked my sample and said that it was weak positive for pregnancy so I should just do another test in 2 weeks to check it was negative because as it was weak that meant that my HCG levels were now dropping

TBH, I had waited for 2.5 hours for the scan, another hour to see the nurse and I think they just wanted rid of me as it was the end of the clinic times by this point.

I questioned their ability to be confident about a drop in my HCG levels based on a simple pregnancy urine test (especially as all my tests were faint, even when pregnancy would have been fine) and said the doctor seemed very concerned that my previous 2 HCG blood tests hadn't dropped and perhaps we could be more sure from another blood test.

She did agree that this would be more conclusive so have had more bloods done and will know for sure later today. They even sent me to the main hospital to have my bloods done and wait yet again, rather than taking them themselves like every other time, So I think my feelings of wanting rid of me, where not unfounded!

The scan has given me a definite answer now to the miscarriage and I feel better for them not having seen anything this time iyswim. I am going to have a bath and try and unwind a little this evening, think I may even open a bottle of wine and drink the lot have a glass.

Will check back in later to see how you are doing (hopefully getting some rest)

oh, what a shame it all is, and it#s so bittersweet to realise that, yes, you can have that glass of wine after all... i'm so sorry that this pregnancy didn't stick around for you, questions.

and pfj, gutted for you too, if you have any questions that you think i can answer, fire away. peppermint oil in warm water for the shoulder pain (gas from the lap) i had two babies on just one tube, we're both lefties now.

Hi again,

I have a whopping migraine today, and I am exhausted! I seem to have a chest infection too, so I'll get that sorted out soon I think, because coughing is definately not helping with my stitches!

Questions - I am waiting with baited breathe to see what the final conclusion the hospital comes up with. I am so sorry they seemed to want to get rid of you, its hardly what you need right now is it? Hope you enjoyed your wine though!

Aitch - How quickly did you try to get pg after your tube was removed? Do you ovulate every month with just the one? How did they keep tabs on you when you got pg the first time afterwards? How were your pregnancies? Oh, so many questions I know! I really really want to be able to get pg again. Was thinking of trying again from May onwards....

Tell me everything if you can!!!

Thank you xxx

Thanks Aitch, bittersweet is a good word for it.

I am glad you popped over here, was hoping you would. I knew pfj would have many questions for you

PFj, a chest infection too is not what you need right now, especially as you will be feeling so rough as it is. Hope you can get it seen to quickly. Are you resting enough? I know your cleaning bug will be making it hard to rest, fortunately I don't feel any overwhelming urge to clean

I had yesterdays hcg results back and it seems I was right to have pushed for the blood test, my hormone levels have only dropped by 20, so still nearly 500. Have to do a pregnancy test in a week rather than wait 2 weeks and phone in with results and see what they decide to do...

Still early days, but if we do decide to ttc again, I think we would wait until may too!

So May is going to be 'our' month then... sounds good to me.

I actually don't think I'm getting enough rest at all to be honest with you. DH is poorly with his back now and there is not much I can do about it other than get on with the normal housework and looking after the little one. I don't want to call anyone for help, theres not really that much I need help with, and I'd rather sort things out on my own.

QuestionsAnswered - there MUST still be some pregnancy tissue inside you somewhere, surely there is something they can do, like an injection or something to help clear/clean it out properly??? I wonder how long other ladies in your position have had to wait naturally for their hormones to get back to 0? If I was you right now I would be so impatient for my levels to return to zero, because then I'd need to wait for my cycle to get to normal before I can try again for a baby.

Keep me updated.

XXX

hmm, that is weird, Q, thank goodness you insisted on more samples being done.

and to take your questions in order, pfj...

How quickly did you try to get pg after your tube was removed?
i think i only waited one cycle, tbh, i felt absolutely fine, relieved even, that the pesky tube was gone as two pregnancies had got stuck there.

Do you ovulate every month with just the one?
yes, ovulation happens from the ovaries so every month. and what's more, the eggs often float across and use the one tube. they have all sorts of tempting chemicals to get the egg to come to them. i can't remember the exact stat but it's high. i get pain on the side i ovulate on, so knew that i'd got pg from the wrong side, this was then confirmed when they saw the corpus luteum on the 'wrong' ovary at the scan. so fear not about the fallopian tube, it's not as big a thing as you think.

How did they keep tabs on you when you got pg the first time afterwards?
oh i didn't piss about. straight down to the epu for an early scan. first preg i bled, though, so that was why. second time i was pally with the obs so shot down there pronto.

How were your pregnancies?
LUSH. but, you know, it's tough to believe that it's all going to be okay once you've had a loss. so i was in denial for a lot of it, lol. but it was fine, twice, and on one tube.

have you been to the ectopic pregnancy trust site? they are lovely there, izzie the nurse is a SAINT. it's rubbish what you've been through, there are so many uncertainties, but basically you are now only a bit less likely to get pregnant every month than you were before, it's not gone down to 50% or anything like that.

ThePFJ, I know, it is so frustrating to think that I am at the mercy of the hormone levels before I can even consider ttc again. As it is, we are really not sure what we will do, but I don't like having the option taken away.

Sounds like Aitch has been able to answer your questions well. It seems really positive too on the being able to ttc front MN is great for this! Hope you are ok, I know how trying having an ill Dh is at the best of times without having been through what you have this last week. Did you get your ches infection looked in to?

Do you feel like time is going so slow at the moment? I don't know if its because my mind is on a constant loop of thoughts about what has happened, what will happen, what might happen etc etc etc etc...

Aitch - Thank you SO much, I feel tonnes better now. I appreciate you taking the time out to talk to me!

Questions - YES time is dragging like mad at the moment, my mind repeats the same thoughts every day as well.. its like a little broken record. I don't think I can move on until I am healed.

I can't believe what just happened... I called the doctors surgery 2 and a half weeks ago to book an appointment with the midwife. I was 6 weeks PG then. Tonight, at 6:30, after the surgery is closed, she eventually calls, announces herself as the surgery on the phone for me, so DP gets me out of bed to answer the phone. (Would have been so much better for me if DP had been able to tell her politely to go away its too late at this point). She obviously hasn't checked my notes, and she starts yapping on to me about making my first appointment... so I had to stop her there and tell her it was way too late, and that I had my fallopian tube removed last week.... apparently it took a while for the message for her to call me to filter through to her, and she couldn't phone me earlier because she was studying!! I would have been 8 weeks pregnant today...

I cried and cried after the phone call was finished. I think I am going to complain to the practice manager. My old midwife Bo would have always checked my notes before calling, i.e. actually called me while she was in the office for a start, and it only took her a couple of days to make me my first appointment when I was seeing her....

I think the fact I lost my baby, however ickle it was has hit me today. Thanks to little miss newbie midwife.... bugger it.

I can't believe the midwife would do that. I am sorry that this has happened. I have read on MN it is actually quite common, you would think they would have a more joined up service.

I think you are right to let them know what happened, even if it only to make sure they don't do it somebody else in your position

It is no wonder it has hit you today, especially with such a careless phone call to contend with. Hugs to you.

I hope your blood test goes ok tomorrow and you can move on with ttc as I know you are keen and it would be good to be done with the medical side of this so you can get on with dealing with the emotional side iyswim.

I get the results tommorrow morning.

How are you doing?

xxx

I have had a better day today, done lots of sorting and cleaning for the first time this week so feel better for that. I am suffering a bit with bakh ache though.

Hope the results are good in the morning, how are you feeling today?

Tired but happier. A bit empty still, but I think I am going to be ok.

I have been invited over to a thread full of mummies/mummies in waiting who have had mc's or ectopics etc. And are either pregnant, ttc or have finally had children after suffering with loss. They are a lovely bunch. I know you haven't got any definate answers yet, but they would lvoe to have you if you fancy joining us. I really like it there.

here

They posted some poems they wrote for me a few pages back on the thread and it made me cry, bless them all.
xxx

Glad that you are feeling more positive today. It will be a rough ride, but am sure you will get there in the end.

Thank you for the link, will have a look and join you all when I finally get some answers!

Well LO is in bed, DH is off on his games night tonight, so its just me, these mini-eggs and the tv tonight!! I may slink off to bed early soon and take advantage of the chance to get some more rest. These stitches are going to heal themselves!

Looks like our Eurovision entry is going to be shite another monotone generic pop song again.... boo hiss...

(scoffs more chocolate)

Sounds like a blissful evening to me. Would love some mini eggs right now! Was the eurovision programme, where they pick our lame entry? I wonder when it is actually on, I fancy a eurovision party.

How did you get on with your blood results today? Have kept my fingers crossed for you.

Hi sweetie, I'd love a eurovision party too... its not the same without Terry Wogan getting progressively drunk and speaking his mind but Graham Norton isn't too bad....

Good news on the bloods front, I am back to 3, so I should be at zero shortly. The hospital have now officially discharged me from their care.

Hope you have a nice Saturday night. Still thinking of you.

Lara xxx

That's great news about the bloods (well good news in the strange world you and I are currently inhabiting ) I am really pleased for you, was hoping it would be good news. There had to be some light at the end of the tunnel for you, especially as you have been so strong about everything that has happened to you.

Now you can feel able to move forward at your own pace and deal with the emotional side.

Had a nosy at your your profile earlier and your DS is just so gorgeous!

Thanks QuestionsAnswered Jack is the cutest isn't he? I put some extra cute pics there for you if you want to look again, I can't stop adoring him at the moment. Poor boy is covered in my slobber and drooling kisses at the moment!

I recieved some cards 'sympathy for the loss of your little one etc. cards' last night. Not sure how to feel about that. Apart from thankful I have sweet friends. No seriously, just when I think I can move on from this, something comes and sets me back...

argh etc.

He is very cute, now I can't say he is the cutest, because obviously my DS is and I don't want us to start fighting Harry Hill style,,, Fiiiiiiiiiiight. But we shall have to agree that that we have been blessed with adorable children

I can see what you mean about the cards from your friends, on the one hand it is very thoughtful of them to acknowledge what has happened, but at the same time makes it seems more real. I am trying to downplay the 'loss' aspect in order to preserve my sanity iyswim. I think if I dwelled on it too much it would be harder to cope, so a card would make it more difficult to do that. I hope that make sense to you?

Must admit, it felt a bit strange with Mothers' day today, not sure why really,but DH and DS made a fuss. Ds was very excited about the card he had made and the presents Him and DH had got. I was really touched that DH had made such an effort, especially as I am not feeling very well today. Seem to have come down with a major cold.

LOL baby fight!!

Glad you know what I mean about the cards. I dont want it to be real. I want to just move on and pretend it never happened, or rather just not make a big song and dance about it.

Sounds like your DH and DS are lovely. We are SO lucky to have them don't you think?

I have beechams... ~makes you a mug of lemon drink~