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natural 'missed' miscarriage and acupuncture

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ana23 · 13/07/2009 14:42

I wondered if it might be helpful to tell my recent experiences to anyone out there who is waiting to miscarry (oh joy) and wondering which of the three delightful choices on option to go for ... I believe they are called natural, surgical, and medical. I have just read back through the whole of what I've written below, and think I should mention that I have included some gritty details (as this is what I personally have been looking for on forums for the last couple of weeks, in order to know the worst and prepare myself). If you'd rather not hear about these, and I'm sure each experience is different anyway, please don't read on. I would hate to upset anyone further at what is such a difficult and upsetting time anyway.

I had brown spotting at what I thought was 11 weeks and toddled off to hospital, not too worried, to check it out - was scanned and told that pregnancy only looked about 5 weeks ... I didn't think this was possible, but of course clung to hope that I might have my dates hopelessly wrong and waited another 9 days (increasing spotting, but still brown) for a second scan to confirm that pregnancy had, as they so sweetly put it, 'failed'. After nearly two weeks of this light bleeding, and feeling increasingly exhausted and emotional, I was told about the three options for the miscarriage: to wait it out and let it happen (natural), to be given some pills that day, and more two days later and then sit on a pot in hospital until 'everything' hopefully came out (medical), or to go in for a general anaesthetic and get it all taken out (surgical). I asked for some time, as felt I didn't want to be rushed into things, and I would advise anyone else in this horrible position to do the same. I was given what i think was a helpfully informative leaflet from the Miscarriage Association - I think the same info is available from them on line. I was far too tearful to be able to make a decision at that moment in the hospital in any case, and really needed to talk to my husband ... or have a hug. Or both. My inclination was to let things happen naturally. I had a mc six years ago (which I don't remember being all that bad - like the mother of all periods, but manageable and over in a few hours), and have since had a beautiful baby girl (21 months ago)and found I was lucky enough to be able to cope with labour pain naturally (baby in uncomplicated position and small). HOWEVER, back to the present - after so much time waiting already, bleeding a little, grieving a lot, I also wanted it to HAPPEN in order to know it was over. And then I had an inspiration. When my pregnancy went over due date by a week, and with the the threat of being induced three days later, I went to see an amazing ex-midwife/acupuncturist who works at Holistic Health on Broadway Market (Hackney, London). She got things going, exactly as she predicted, and I actually had my daughter naturally on the day I was due to be induced. So, I thought, perhaps she could help get the miscarriage moving as well? I know that sounds a painfully matter-of-fact way of putting it, but maybe if you are out there waiting, you will know what I mean by wanting things to happen, perhaps so that you can actually believe them. To cut a long story short, I had acupuncture on Thursday afternoon and was told to expect things to start in about 24 hours. I should also say that the acupuncturist, Alison, is an absolutely lovely woman, and almost the only person I've seen so far in a professional capacity to say they were sorry, and ask how I was feeling. Beleiving implicitly that I had 24 hours to get my thoughts in order also gave me time to go to my graduation ceremony on Friday (ah!), feed my daughter and put her to bed that eve, and then it all started. The power of the mind? An hour or so of severe period-type pains, followed by bleeding that was heavy enough to mean I couldn't get off the loo. Like a fast dripping tap, or more - sorry to be graphic, but I spent ages on forums looking for gory details so I could prepare myself, and didn't find nearly enough (for me, as I said above, I'm sure not everyone wants to know all this). Husband, and sister (who'd come down for graduation - believe it or not, we'd had a great day), ferried hot sweet tea to the bathroom door and took it in turns to sit on stairs to chat. This went on for several hours. I didn't want to be alone, but also didn't want them to see anything. Make sure you have several packets of those enormous 'night-time' pads in if you are planning to do this at home - i only had one pkt, so my sis had to go out to all-night corner shop on Clapton's so-called 'murder mile' at 3am: not ideal. Unfortunately, it all got a bit out of hand by 4am with me fainting all over the place, and hitting head on bedroom door, but this does not have to happen - it was just bad luck. Apparently, it's to do with blood clots etc geting stuck in the cervix, rather than passing out freely. So in the end, went to hospital in ambulance (oh, the drama) and got a drip and finally admitted at 6am, where I stayed until 4pm the next afternoon. I felt that it was getting too hard for my husb and sis to manage me at home, and was worried that daughter would wake and get upset. Apparently husband was slapping me round the face to get me to come round at one point, but I don't remember this, and frankly think he's seen one too many episodes of ER.
Home Saturday afternoon with lighter bleeding (like hefty period) and painkillers and iron tablets. Nurses were ok, two of them lovely, but the doc in A and E should be made to go through a mc himself. It might make him a little gentler with the tube thing (speculum?) and improve his bedside manner. Then, yesterday afternoon, stronger pains for 10 mins or so, and suddenly a big lump of what I can only describe as looking lke an internal organ (about the size of an apple) came out. A huge wave of relief, complete cessation of PAIN, and a strange feeling of completeness. I have a follow-up scan tomorrow to check nothing has been left behind, but after that little lot, I'd be both surprised and horrified if it has. (Am still bleeding, like period, slight pain) Would I go natural again? Yes, probably, with the help of acupuncture to assist with knowing when it would happen. But I would send my daughter to stay with grandparents and be prepared for hospital if the fainting thing happened again (ie have little bag of useful things like wet wipes, toothbrush, clean pants, those enormous pads, and bed socks packed). And as for getting back to normal, emotionally and physically, the hospital have given me a sick note for two weeks, and I am definitely going to take this week off work. I'll see how I feel next. And I shall be going back to see the acupuncturist in a few weeks for help 'balancing' my system. Apart from that, lots more hot tea, time in bed, and as many hugs as I can get. I wonder if this will really help anyone, or whether it has been more of a cathartic exercise for me? I've never been on a forum before, but have found other postings useful, so if you read this and want to respond I'll try to look back again soon and answer any questions you may have.

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thefatladyscreams · 27/07/2009 17:19

PS know exactly what you mean about envisaging dates pregnant. Feels "odd" when you think about going to them not pregnant.

chamoiscreased · 27/07/2009 17:28

I went back and they scanned me again, not much has changed so I've taken the first tablet as I can't deal with the waiting any more.
Mintchocaddict how did Thursday go?

thefatladyscreams · 27/07/2009 19:06

chamois - must have been hard today. Hope you're OK?

MintChocAddict · 27/07/2009 19:17

Hi Chamois and TFLS,
Sorry to hear you're still waiting Chamois.

Thursday scan confirmed an anembryonic pregnancy (blighted ovum) - sac is still intact and continuing to grow (with nothing inside it)

I've made the decision to have ERPC. Unfortunately there is a wait for this in my area and still have another week before my appt. Should be in and out in one day though, so hopefully by this time next Monday it'll be all over. There's still a chance that it could happen naturally before then but TBH I'd rather just be knocked out and have it all over with.

I hope things resolve themselves quickly for you Chamois and glad that your loss seems to be complete TFLS, although emotionally thing's take longer of course.

Happier thoughts and wishes for us all over the next few weeks.

thefatladyscreams · 27/07/2009 19:46

MintChoc

Good to hear from you. You were one of the first people I spoke to on the m/c threads and I remember your kind offers of ice cream!

Sorry you're having to wait. That's a real PITA. Hopefully Monday will be out of the way soon and we can all chat on a happier TTC thread.

Take good care of yourself in the meanwhile.

chamoiscreased · 27/07/2009 20:01

It was crap actually, something quite wrong about taking an abortion tablet when I wanted this baby so much Took me about 10 minutes to actually bring myself to swallow the thing! I'm really scared actually, of what is going to happen next. Am just clinging on to the thought that hopefully this will all be over soon and we can start all over again. Though it's quite demoralising that I've been pregnant for 11 weeks and have nothing to show for it.
Mintchoc I'm glad you have made a decision, such a difficult time. I do hope it goes smoothly.
Both of you - thank you for being here x

MintChocAddict · 27/07/2009 23:21

Nice to hear from you both - pity it's in these circumstances though.

Chamois - Sorry to hear you're feeling so scared. You're being very brave. I was offered medical management but decided to go for surgical as I felt that was the best option for me. I hope what happens next for you is as easy as it possibly can be.

I really know what you mean about demoralising. I feel as though it's precious time wasted, and I too am impatient to get back on the TTC bandwagon. I don't know if that's a healthy impatience but TBH it's keeping me going and making me feel as though I have something to aim for IYSWIM.
It took a year to conceive this time around and I guess I'm just worried that time is flying and I'm no further forward but positive thinking is my new policy on the TTC front so upwards and onwards and all that. Hopefully next time it'll not be such a long haul to get a BFP and hope you both get the happy result that you want very soon.

TFLS - You were also the first person I spoke to on here about what was happening and I'm so glad to have been able to speak on here. DH and I have decided to keep all this to ourselves (with exception of manager at work) as no-one knew about the pregnancy anyway. Although DH has been great, I needed to talk about it with others with a shared experience and I think it's really helped me to deal with it all.

On a happier note you'll be glad to hear that I've just had.........an enormous bowl of ice-cream with chocolate sauce and boy did it taste good! Therapy indeed.
Hope you are keeping well and starting to recover. Will be keeping everything crossed for you as you move on and try again when you feel ready.

Hope to speak to both of you soon. Chamois -take care and hope the next few days are kind to you.

thefatladyscreams · 28/07/2009 14:43

chamoiscreased - sorry you're having such a rough time. It must have been hard to take the tablet but you weren't making any decision - nature had already taken it out of your hands . I really hope I don't say anything to offend you - so easy to come up with platitudes - but just wanted to say something to ease your pain. If you're not careful I'll send you a very un-MNlike hug . Please don't be scared - you will get through this, unpleasant as it is. Post back here when you feel up to it - it's shit but you're not alone.

MintChoc - so glad to hear about the therapy. I had a medicinal bottle of wine as my treat last week when I came back from my check up at the EPAU. Trying to be on a diet the rest of the time... (thefatlady needs to be less fat!). I've locked onto TTC again - not sure how much is displacement activity though. Like you, we've told no-one in RL. I'm quite a private person in RL but funny how easy it is to share everything here!

Anyway, hope you're all OK. Chamois - I know you're in the middle of it right now, but it will get better.

flowersandsky · 30/07/2009 23:56

I'm so sorry for your loss. Thank you for posting your story. It helped me so much. My baby stopped growing at 6w1d. I found out at 8 weeks after two ultrasounds and blood work, and now at almost 10 weeks, still no bleeding.

I just got back from my acupuncturist and got online to start searching for what to expect. Since reading your story, I've packed a bag, cleaned the kitchen, and cursed my male OB doctor for refusing me pain pills in anticipation of this.

thefatladyscreams · 31/07/2009 09:35

flowersandsky - I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm glad you've found this thread - it's a dreadful time but you will find loads of support on MN.

You mention painkillers - but everyone's experience is very different. Over the counter pharamacy medicine was OK for me.

I've found accupuncture fantastic at helping me realigning my body after the m/c.

Thinking of you at this horrible time.

chamois and mintchoc - hope you're both doing OK.

chamoiscreased · 31/07/2009 09:48

flowersandsky - sorry you're here with us too. I don't understand why painkillers aren't given out as soon as it's clear you will miscarry, yet when I was given the tablets for medical management I was given a huge box of pain meds. Do ask the OB again, you never know. Otherwise I'd stock up on what you can over the counter.

TFLS - no offence taken anywhere! Only from people who insist on saying 'oh never mind, you'll have another one' anyway! I appreciate your kind words, thank you.

Well I needn't have been so scared. It all went quite smoothly. After I took the second lot of tablets I started bleeding and having pains within the hour. No worse than normal period pains to start with which got stronger as time went on. About 4 hours after taking the tablets I started to pass big clots and the pain got quite bad. Just as I thought I couldn't take any more pain and that I might faint, I passed the placenta and the sac - and was suprised at how recognisable these were. Immediately the pain lessened and I felt huge relief. Since then it's just like I have a very heavy period with a little pain. Emotionally I feel quite good considering, I think the waiting was definitely the worst bit.
I would choose medical management again, it really felt right for me and I think that's what is so important with a missed miscarriage, the right and the information to make an informed decision about what suits you best.
Hope you are all bearing up x

thefatladyscreams · 31/07/2009 14:56

chamois - so pleased to hear you're OK (relatively speaking). I feel a little bit stronger day by day and hopefully you will be too. Psychologically I found it helped when I stopped bleeding - I guess the lack of the constant reminder.

Glad you made the right decision for you.

MN has been the only place where I have found detailed info on what's involved and it has been a godsend.

Take care.

Manta7 · 05/09/2009 15:31

Hi I'm new to posting and now not new to the miscarriage section of this site. Just Reading yr graphic post has helped as I have just spent about twenty four hours in missed miscarriage pain. Luckily compared to others I've now read about. I started spotted at nine + half weeks. Finally I get a scan which showed baby had stopped at six weeks. They said if I hadn't miscarried naturally by next week they would take it out via an op. The pain has been excruciating and I never saw the embroyo which didn't show on scan either. But I did pass huge clots and a bloody sausage like shape - I now realise was placenta thanks to previous post. So thank you for to much info. I really needed to understnad. The pain immediately subsided so iguess worst is now over. Physically at least. I am 43 and only now decided I wanted children. (i just never felt ready before). I had an early miscarriage at six weeks last nov. That was way less painful. But beginning to lose hope as the clock keeps ticking. Anyway writing this been a way for me to come to terms. My heart is with you all.

pruneplus2 · 06/09/2009 03:14

Hiya everyone and hiya Manta - I had actually forgotten this thread was here til you posted and brought it up...How is everyone?

Manta it still must seem so raw and physically and emotionally painful - it DOES get easier, honestly...

I miscarried my 2nd baby this year on 03/07 - it was pretty horrific but I have somehow managed to get by. Problem I have now is that my whole menstrual cycle appears to be fooked - had period on 31/07 but have bled, on and off til now...too many bloody weeks for me to count. By "dates" my period is 6 days late, but I have JUST started bleeding again properly AAARGH!

Anyway, that aside, my due date from first MC (03/03) is fast approaching (25th Sept) so I dont know how I feel. I should be on maternity leave now awaiting my new arrival

Lots and lots of hugs to all xxx

disclaimer - dont give a f*k if hugs are "sooooo un NM'sy"....I am giving them anybloodyway

HUGS TO ALL

xxx

Manta7 · 08/09/2009 14:43

Hiya all

thanks for the positive words... Pruneplus I am sorry to hear your cycle has gone erratic. That must be soo frustrating.

I have pretty much stopped bleeding from the misscarriage now and will get another scan on Thursday to be sure all finished. I am already thinking yes we must try again (tick tock goes the clock) but I am supposed to wait for a normal period first. Last time my period came pretty much a month after the mc but that was a really early mc so I wonder if I too will have a screwy cycle now.
Fingers crossed for all. Hugs and happy thoughts to keep the tears at bay
xx

Mandamills · 11/12/2018 04:20

I've had two miscarriages while trying to have a baby and now I got pregnant on birth control when I was not trying. I can't keep this baby but I don't want to have surgery or take the pills and let's face it I cant pay $650.00 for an abortion. I'm still in the first 3 weeks and I want to miscarry naturally can acupuncture help.

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