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Emmsys angels xxx support for mummies of lost angels part 3 xxxxx

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christmasBarbielovesSanta · 17/12/2008 11:52

so here we are on part three, let this one be fun of happy news.....

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wasabipeanut · 25/01/2009 11:01

VM I'm so terribly sorry.

barbie1 · 25/01/2009 11:13

Oh dear, here i was feeling sorry for myself as we have next to no internet here for the last few days and the when i finally log on i see the sad news about vm.. my heart really is breaking for you my darling, take all the time you need and remember we will all still be here when you decide to come back, be it a few days or even months...

Hi mm and mollie i miss you noth so very much, hopefully we will be in our apartment within a few weeks, and chatting will resume!

Sorry to see some newbies on here, i will get to know you better soon...

Barbie misses you all but isnt going to vanish ill be back real soon....

By the way the period i was having turned into another vanishing act, one day of spotting and then nothing...thats 5 months now and no af, can i still be ovalating? im so confused and getting a little worried well ill get back as soon as i can xxx

Lionstar · 25/01/2009 14:16

Oh dear, was just coming back to thank all you ladies for your support, then to hear VM your awful news - I'm just so sorry . I'm sat here quaking because it could be me, could be any of us, and it's just so unfair. Sending you lots of hugs and hope you feel able to come back here for support if that's what you need.

This time round we are keeping our news very much to ourselves. In fact apart from myself & DP, you guys are the only ones that know.

lobeov · 25/01/2009 14:23

Hello ladies, I hope everybody is doing better today.
VM you are in my prayers, take care of yourself, I'm sending you a big hug !!!

Blue, thanks for your advice,I called my doctor yesterday and they schedule me for a scan on monday but I stop bleeding today. Thank god! Now I have to wait.. 4 weeks for my period.

Love you all

scamperT · 25/01/2009 16:12

Oh VM no no no. Like Vjay and no doubt others too I am crying for you darling. However long you are away dealing with this, we will all still be thinking of you every day xxxx

Heebeejeebee · 25/01/2009 17:06

VM I'm so, so sorry. It seems so unfair that we have to go through a m/c once, never mind twice..

I'll be thinking about you over the coming days

mm1509 · 25/01/2009 20:28

vm been thinking about you all day. I'm available through CAT if you want to talk. You have always been there to get so many of us through some tough times and I don't forget that. You decide what feels right for you but wanted to let you know the option was there if you need. Take care hun and know you are in my thoughts.

zen1980 · 25/01/2009 20:29

Hi ladies just wondered if I could join you was lurking around for a few days and checking in on my old TTC thread but somehow doesnt seem quite right as I am not back there again just yet.
I had my first mc last week when I had an ERPC a wk last Friday with my first pregnancy( found out on the Tues that we had no heartbeat). I was 9 weeks pg and had had 2 early scans due to very light bleeding from wk 4. At 6 wks saw good strong heartbeat but they did say there was a tiny little bit of separation on the sac so I could be high risk of mc. Well they were right and we stayed positive until the end. Thought ERPC was best option for me, and went back to work Thurs.
Well didnt know if any of you had any words of wisdom for me, as we definatly want to TTC asap but at the moment I can feel completly a ok then next min my world is around my ears again and i am so empty and sad.
At the moment a very good friend at work is 22wk pg and has been a great support but this week when ppl where asking about the baby I had to go to the loo and have a breakdown. Also a best friend is 20wk pg with 2nd dc, and I cant be near her at the mo which makes me feel like the worst person in world because she had a mc with her first and i know she understands more than most.
Sorry for the long post but just feel so down today and know its very early days, and reading that a number of you now have a BFP makes me smile and gives me hope but I dont know how to take the next steps to get to that point. My dh and family are amazing and really supportive but guess im just looking for advise and support from ladies who have been there and know exactly what I feel ? x

lobeov · 25/01/2009 20:36

VM Thinking of you!!!!
Big Hug!!!

Love you all

LO

Molliemooma · 25/01/2009 20:58

VM Still thinking of you, hope you are taking it easy
Blue How are you doing?
MM How is work, hope things have slowed down for you a little, did you have fun with the relatives?
Barbie It is so quiet without you in here all the time Miss you lots, but I am worried about your virtually non-existant AF, I think you should book an appt to see a GP asap, you might need a kick start or at least some investigations to check that everything is OK? Have you been doing any OPK's, do you know if you are OVing?
Zen Glad you found us over here, what you are describing is perfectly normal, these up and downs happen when we least expect them too by the way so be warned You are not the worse person in the world at all, my SIL fell pg not long after my 3rd m/c and the baby is due in June, same month as mine would have been, I couldn't see her for weeks, she's been very understanding but I know it's going to be hard when my niece/nephew is born. It will take a while for your hormones to settle, but if you feel ready to TTC straight away, go for it!
Take care x

Hello to everyone else, hope you all had a lovely weekend

Curlywurlee · 25/01/2009 22:42

VM I can't believe this honey. Life can be so so unfair. I know that right now nothing and no-one can take this pain away but if you want to talk we will be here for as long as it takes.

Zen I'm glad you've made your way to our lovely forum. I can't tell you how much it helped me in the early days. I was the same - one minute I'd be absolutely grand, and then the next it felt like the whole world was collapsing. Be kind to yourself with lots of chocolate and duvet days, and some exercise if you feel up to it (it does help but so does chocolate!) Just hang in there, I promise it does get easier.

This is all such sad news so I just want to send everyone a massive hug tonight to all of you - the ones who have lost their little ones recently, those who are trying like me, and the lovely Scamper VJ 4ever and Sabs who give us all hope xxx

lobeov · 26/01/2009 00:07

Zen What you are going throug is very normal, it not only that you are dealing with your loss also your hormones are a little wild these days, I had a D&C done 9 days ago and I can say today is the only day I haven't been sad, please hung in there, it will get better, these ladies are awesome they have been there for me since the begining.

VM Thinking of you.

lOVE YOU ALL

lobeov · 26/01/2009 00:46

This info was give to me by my doctor it is long but very informative.
"Almost anyone who has suffered a miscarriage or stillbirth worries about the risk of having subsequent losses. Recent information indicates that women should look into RPL testing after two losses when it used to be common to wait until three. This is especially important for women in their 30s and 40s. Newer studies indicate a miscarriage rate of 26-40% after a woman has suffered two losses, so earlier testing makes sense both emotionally, physically, and in many cases financially as well.

The tests and procedures listed below are a mixture of the common elements of a recurrent pregnancy loss (RPL) work-up and some of the more controversial immunological screenings. A doctor might choose to do any or all of them depending on the patient's needs.

Along with basic description, there is an average cost or a price range listed for most tests. A pretty small sample was used to get these numbers, so please just use them as a general idea, nothing definite. You'll have to check with your doctor to get his or her prices, and check with your insurance to see what will be covered.

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Inhe rited Thrombophilias
The Inherited Thrombophilias comprise a group of genetic disorders of the blood clotting pathways, leading to abnormal blood clot formation (thrombi). A common route involves resistance to a natural anticoagulant called activated protein C (APC). These diseases have been shown in several studies to cause vascular complications that lead to miscarriage, intrauterine fetal death, pre-eclampsia (toxemia of pregnancy), and the HELLP syndrome which is a severe form of pre-eclampsia characterized by hemolysis (blood cells breaking up), elevated levels of liver enzymes, and thrombocytopenia (a low platelet count).

Women who carry the genes for Inherited Thrombophilias are more likely (2 to 14 times) to have a clotting problem leading to a miscarriage, compared with the normal population. The three major gene mutations that lead to Inherited Thrombophilias are:

Factor V Leiden mutation
Factor II (Prothrombin) G20210 gene mutation.
Methylene-tetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR) mutation, leading to hyperhomocytseinemia.
The most common cause of APC resistance arises from the point (one DNA based-pair) mutation at the cleavage site of factor V, called factor V Leiden. It is the most common of the Inherited Thrombophilias, with a prevalence of 10% in the Caucasian population. The mutation has been discovered in 60% of patients who have clot formation during pregnancy, and is also a major cause of blood clots associated with oral contraceptive use.

The Prothrombin (factor II) gene mutation has been shown to occur in 7.8% of women who experienced fetal loss due to a clotting disorder. Factor II is one of the major factors in the human clotting pathway.

Homocysteine is normally present in low levels in the bloodstream. It is derived from dietary methionine, an amino acid. A gene mutation for the enzyme methylene-tetrahydrofolate reductase (MTHFR), will lead to build up of homocysteine in the bloodstream. This condition, called hyperhomocytseinemia, results in blood clot formation and hardening of the arteries, even in childhood. Nutritional lack of vitamins B6, B12 and folic acid aggravate the problem. Women who have the homozygous form of the MTHFR gene mutation (both of her alleles having the mutation) are more than a two-fold increased risk for a miscarriage.

Treatment of Inherited Thrombophilias
A combination of low-dose aspirin plus low molecular weight heparin injections is used to treat the inherited thrombophilias. The therapy starts before pregnancy occurs, and continued four to six weeks after birth. Folic acid supplementation is given to patients with the MTHFR gene mutation.

Infectious
Ureaplasma culture - $40-$60
Ureaplasma & Mycoplasma billed together - $84
Gonorrhea culture - $40-$60
Chlamydia culture - $28-$95
Syphilis - $40
Toxoplasmosis - $65
Rubella - $30
CMV - $120
HEP B&C - $70
HIV I & II - $80
Some of these are infections that can be treated with antibiotics. For ureaplasma, for example, the standard treatment is 10 days of doxycycline for both partners, and condoms used during intercourse until a negative culture is obtained.

With rubella, your immunity to the disease will be tested. If you show low immunity, you may receive an MMR vaccine. It'll be suggested that you put off trying to get pregnant for three months following the immunization, even though no known cases of rubella syndrome have been linked to the vaccine. It should be noted that you are more likely to have a low rubella immunity if you are over 30 years of age.

There's lots of information out there about these infections out on the web, so I won't go into any more detail here.

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Autoimm une
Anti-phospholipid Antibodies - $120-$236
Anti-cardiolipin Antibodies - $120
Lupus Anticoagulant - $60-$120
Note that anti-cardiolipin antibodies (ACA) are part of the group of anti-phospholipid antibodies (the other six are Phosphoethanolamine, Phosphoinositol, Phosphatidic acid, Phosphoglycerol, Phosphoserine, and Phosphocholine). It is fairly common to test for ACA, but a full work-up includes all seven anti-phospholipid antibodies being checked for three markers: IgG, IgA and IgM markers (so 21 different markers in all).

These tests diagnose a condition that can cause mainly 2nd trimester losses due to blood clots forming in the vascular system of the placenta. The condition is also responsible for some late 1st trimester losses, after heartbeat is identified and some intra-uterine growth retardation has been observed.

This is the cause of about 10% or so of RPL. The treatment usually involves low-dose aspirin and heparin.

To learn more about immunological causes of RPL, please check the INCIID and Dr. Beer's web sites.

Anti-Nuclear Antibodies - $118
Anti-Thyroid Antibodies

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Thyroid
T hyroid panel (TSH) - $62- $93
Thyroid problems can result in both fertility problems and miscarriage. If a problem is found, your physician will in many cases attempt to regulate the thyroid before another pregnancy is achieved.

An article about thyroid disease and pregnancy, fertility and pregnancy loss is posted in two parts at thyroid.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa063097.htm (part 1) and thyroid.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa070797.htm (part 2).

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Chromosomal
Chromosome Testing on Fetal (Miscarriage) Tissue - $559-$1000

This can only be done right at the time of miscarriage. It is an analysis of the genetic makeup of the fetus. It can indicate genetic problems that lead to RPL. Many miscarriages are caused by chromosomal abnormalities that are unlikely to repeat. To know if the problem is likely to recur, it is necessary to study the genetics of both parents as well.

Karyotyping of Parents - $250-$500 each
Chromosome analysis of blood of both parents. It can show if there is a potential problem with one of the parents that leads to miscarriage, but often has to be done in conjunction with fetal testing to provide answers.

These tests help rule out the 3% or so of partners that carry a "hidden" chromosomal problem called a balanced translocation.

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Anatomical

Abdominal Ultrasound - $150-$300
This is performed by moving a transducer across the bare skin of the abdomen. It's usually recommended that you have a full bladder for this test -- that's the uncomfortable part. It doesn't usually hurt, although the lubricant is cold and the person performing it sometimes presses a bit too hard.

Transvaginal Ultrasound - $80-$200
The transducer on a transvaginal ultrasound is a long probe. Before insertion, it will be covered with a condom and some lubricant. Once inside, it will be moved about a bit to get the best view. It can be a little unpleasant if handled roughly, but mostly it's just awkward.

Hysterosalpingogram (HSG) - $200-$700
A hysterosalpingogram is where dye is injected into the uterus to look for anatomic problems, such as fibroids, polyps, or structural problems with the uterine cavity, which are thought to cause about 15% of RPL. This test is usually done in the first half of a woman's cycle, around day 8-9. A small catheter is inserted through the cervix in order to inject the dye. You'll be expected to turn a little as the doctor / radiologist takes pictures or views the process through something that looks a lot like an ultrasound. It should only last about 5 minutes. Some cramping and discomfort is common during the procedure and for a little while afterward. Also, some spotting is to be expected. Your doctor may prescribe antibiotics and suggest a painkiller be taken.

Hysteroscopy - $755-$4,002
This is usually done under local or general anesthesia. Your cervix is dilated in order to insert a tiny scope which the doctor uses for viewing the inside of your uterus. Often carbon dioxide gas is used to expand the uterus for better viewing. Minor abnormalities may be fixed during this procedure, and it is sometimes done in conjunction with a laparoscopy, hysterosalpingogram, and/or an endometrial biopsy. Timing within the cycle varies -- alone it might be done at the beginning of a cycle, with a laparoscopy it is usually done around ovulation, and with a biopsy it would be performed a few days before your period. Expect some discomfort and cramping afterward, spotting, and some shoulder pain if gas was used. It's probably a good idea to take the rest of the day off and relax. Have some over-the-counter pain relief available or ask your physician for a prescription. .

Laparoscopy - $1,700-$5,500
A laparoscopy is done to look for endometriosis, adhesions and organ malformations. The patient is usually under general anesthesia for this. First, carbon dioxide gas is used to expand the abdominal cavity to provide better viewing. The doctor will then insert a scope through a small incision inside the navel or just below it to view the outside of the uterus, ovaries and fallopian tubes. Often a second incision is made just below the pubic hairline through which an instrument is inserted to gently manipulate the organs to allow the scope to examine different angles. If found, endometriosis and adhesions may be removed during this surgery. Expect some pain and cramping, some shoulder pain from the gas, perhaps some nausea from the anesthesia, and some spotting. Definitely take at least a day to relax and recover, more time if you can manage it. Ask your physician about pain relief.

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Luteal Phase Defect
A luteal phase "defect" is when the length of time between ovulation and menses is under 10 days (some say 12) and/or the lining of the uterus does not develop enough to sustain a pregnancy

Endometrial Biopsy (EMB) - $75-$305 The endometrial biopsy is used to "date" the lining to see if it is out of sync hormonally. It is considered out of phase if it the lining appears to be more than 2 days off. It is common to repeat the biopsy in another cycle, if it is found to be out of phase, before a diagnosis of a luteal phase defect is made. These tests are somewhat insensitive and I was told "about as good as the pathologist reading it."

The biopsy is performed in the second half of the cycle, usually just a few days before menstruation is expected. It can be done in the same cycle as one in which you are trying to get pregnant because the risk of miscarriage from the biopsy is only about 1% (combine that with your chances of getting pregnant in a given cycle and there isn't much to worry about at all).

The biopsy is done by inserting a narrow catheter through the cervix and into the uterus. A small sample of tissue is sucked into the tube and sent to the lab for analysis. Expect a bit of discomfort with this test -- about the same as a bad menstrual cramp. The biopsy doesn't take long, and the pain usually subsides when the procedure ends. You may have some spotting afterward.

Some suggest taking Advil or Aleve about a half hour before the test to relieve discomfort. Check with your doctor first, since this may not be recommended during a cycle in which you are trying to get pregnant. My own experience is that the pain relievers didn't make any difference.

Serum Progesterone Level - $24-$79 The serum progesterone level is a blood test. These also have reliability problems. Several physicians contacted about this issue said that 2-3 tests are needed, and one said that for best results it should be done early in the morning and after fasting. A good result is over 10, 15, or 20 ng/ml, depending who you listen to.

Treatment:
A common treatment for a luteal phase problem is progesterone supplementation in the form of suppositories, injections, pills, or a combination of the above. The progesterone must be started at the time of conception (ovulation) in order to be useful. If started later, there is no statistical change in the rate of miscarriage.

Other doctors will suggest that a better ovulation is key to solving the luteal phase issue, and will recommend Clomid, Metrodin, Pergonal, and/or hCG injections.

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A lloimmune

Leukocyte Antigen crossmatch
Natural Killer Cells - $245
Embryo Toxicity Panel - $242
A very few researchers are working on HLA, human leukocyte antigen, testing to determine if, simply put, the sperm and egg are "allergic" to each other. This is very controversial, and many people just don't believe it's a cause of RPL. The research in this area is fairly new and it may take some work to find a doctor to run these tests. Check Natural Killer (NK) Cell Embryo Toxic Assay for the Consumer on Dr. Beer's web site and the INCIID web site for more information.

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Diabetes
Fas ting Blood Sugar - $30
There is a link between elevated blood sugar/diabetes and stillbirth. The connection to miscarriage may more closely associated with insulin, but it makes sense to check both glucose and insulin levels.

Fasting Insulin
This is a relatively new thing to look into, but insulin resistance comes before adult onset diabetes and there is a clear link between elevated insulin levels and miscarriage. Often insulin resistance is found in women with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS).

Glucose Tolerance Test with Insulin

The GTT can detect diabetes and insulin resistance earlier than the fasting levels alone.

Sperm AnalysisSemen Analysis -$110
Analysis of Sperm Chromatin Structure - $200-$300
The Chromatin Analysis is a a newer test. The chromotin is a cell's DNA and the protiens that hold the DNA together. The sperm sample is tested to determin the percentage of sperm cells w/ damage chromatin and severity. There are many reasons for chromatin damage from genetic to environmental.

4everhopeful · 26/01/2009 10:12

Same as Lionstar wanted to come on and say thanks for the support and good wishes on friday, checked via phone on saturday and saw VM tragic news - VM so desperately sorry and sad for you As you know we are all here when you're ready.. xxxx
I'm quaking too and was very low after hearing that on sat night.. Been thinking of you loads... Prayed for you too xxx

I second what Curly said : 'This is all such sad news so I just want to send everyone a massive hug tonight this morning to all of you - the ones who have lost their little ones recently, those who are trying like me curly, and the lovely Scamper VJ 4ever and Sabs who give us all hope' xxx

I hope I can be of hope to you all and I'm trying everso hard to stay everhopeful myself, thinking I maybe giving you all some hope and inspiration after my 3 losses and that maybe my lil ox number 4 will be the one that can inspire & give hope to others will be what I will try and use to keep me going in these incredibly anxious times xxxxxxxxxx

Love to you all xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

BTW - great info from lobeov to any not tested yet I had all of above apart from natural killer cells and despite initial dissapointment at no cause found, just knowing you are doing something, helps massively as mermaid found with her PLAN..! vm i know still early days for you but something to consider when you feel ready? xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

mermaidspurse · 26/01/2009 10:25

villagemum oh vm my thoughts are with you, dh and ds. xx

mermaidspurse · 26/01/2009 10:45

4eversorry missed your post sweetie, took so long pondering on my handful of words to vm. I felt awful on Friday hun really and felt so bad at feeling that way, but you know how it is.. Give that little ox a very sticky baby pat from me.x and remmember one
day ata time. It will be ok
zen sad welcomes. What you are experiencing is very normal, I wish that I had found mn after my first mc.
I almost feel weirdly high for a few days after mc then I feel blank and then maybe a week after I crash,retreat back to the sofa with choc digestives and books. at the swimming pool on Thurs a woman sat right in front of me with a tiny tiny newborn and I just froze,couldnt move, tears pouring, awful. Hormones are so bloody powerful, I try not to fight it now and just go along for the ride so to speak. Just go easy on yourself and let your body and heart start to mend.x

bluesatinsash · 26/01/2009 13:27

VM I've been thinking about you all weekend and hope and pray everything goes OK this week. I'm sure your DH and DS are a great source of comfort (I know my DS was the only reason I got out of bed over xmas). You may not be here but you are in all our thoughts xx

So sorry for your loss zen. Welcome, you couldn't find a better bunch of ladies who have all been where you are and know only too well the emotions/hormones/grief that is getting over mc.

I had my appointment with my (lovely) consultant this morning. It was more of a therapy session actually as he let me talk at length about both my mc. He gave me the option of being investigated now or trying again. He feels 2 mc are simply 'bad luck' and undergoing tests is stressful in itself when there may be no definitive outcome. I asked him what advice he would give if I was a member of his family and he said "try again in two months" so I am. I've to take low dose asprin from the month before ttc but other than that we are good to go.

AF returned yesterday, 25 days after ERPC and nearly bang on with my usual cycle.

I find it quite alarming how strong the TTC urge returns for me so soon after mc and I will have to literally sit on my hands/ban DH from the bedroom over the next two months at +OV time.

Anyway, enough about me, how is everyone else doing?

Mollie - not had time to post on fb but just love your 'beer' photo - you're a minx aren't you? how are you feeling with Feb just around the corner?

MM - how was your DD's dance recital and your visitors in general?

Barbie - I would see another Doctor as 5 months without proper AF just does not seem right...

Continued sticky throughts to VJay, Sabs, 4ever, Scamper and lionstar

Hi to wasabi, Lobeov, anniecam and anyone else I've missed.

bluesatinsash · 26/01/2009 13:31

mermaid - big Hi to you too, so sorry I missed you off. Hope this week is a little easier for you than last...

anniecam38 · 26/01/2009 14:17

Hello ladies. Thinking of you vm at this awful time.

Welcome zen, i was on the Aug 09 thread with you, lets hold hands and support each other along with everyone else on here.

Im just off work waiting to go in for my ERPC on Thursday, been having a lot of bleeding but havent passed anything yet, so had to go in for my pre op admission today to get BP checked etc.
Been having awful contraction but weirdly they only happen in the early hours of the morning,this has happened for past 3 nights.
Wishing Thursday was over, as feel quite worried.

Take care everyone.

wasabipeanut · 26/01/2009 15:06

Hi all,

Zen - Welcome to you. I have only been on this thread a few days but everyone is lovely. I'm sorry that it's such sad cicumstances that bring us together but the support you will find here is very special.

I sympathise with your feelings. I am just coming to the end of a natural mc - the bean stopped growing at 6 weeks but I took until 9 to start mcing. It's been a pretty rough couple of weeks. Several of my friends and also my SIL are pregnant at the moment so I'm struggling with those feelings too. I think if we didn't feel like this there'd be something wrong. to you.

Bluesatinsash - glad your appt went well. Your consultant sounds great.

Annie - I can really relate to what you are going through. If you are suffering cramping you may find that the bleeding steps up soon or that you will start passing more tissue. I'm so sorry - it's just a horrid thing to go through, especially with the EPRC looming. I just hope the next couple of days are bearable. I found a mix of paracetomol and brufen very helpful yesterday when things got really bad.

VM - I am thinking of you.

VJay · 26/01/2009 15:46

Hi zen, so sorry you've had to join us. Everything you wrote sounds normal to me. I had a few close people pg at the same time as my mcs and dreaded seeing them, but once I'd seen them it was all fine again.

blue I was told that my 2 mcs were probably bad luck (I hope they were now). So I would say go for it too, it will be hard to wait the 2 months, but well worth it, and I wish you all the luck in the world Plus you have ds, the same as me, so we know we can do it.

vm you are in my thoughts everyday xxxxx

gingermumi · 26/01/2009 16:58

Hi barbie good to hear from you - could you be pg and that was an ovulation bleed? seems like a long time now. I would get it checked out hun.

A sad hello to you zen. What you are going through is completely normal. I am surprised you are back at work, usually docs give a week- 2weeks off because your hormones are all over the place and you need to be good to yourself. Everyone here is so supportive and we try to help and give what ever advice or info we can.

I didnt know there were so many tests! I have had 3 mc but not 'in a row', I was told the policy here is three clustered together so I don't qualify for any tests TBH if nothing happens over the next few months we will decide to settle as we are, i really will be too old to keep trying, giving birth after 44 just seems too much for me in terms of risks all round.

Heebeejeebee · 26/01/2009 17:14

Hi all

Zen - so sorry to see you, but glad you found us. What you're feeling sounds completely normal. I am 2 months on after my second m/c and I was standing in Boots in front of a couple buying their baby bits for their imminent arrival. It took all my strength to carry on standing in the queue..

lobeov - thanks for that. I recognise a lot of the tests as ones I had last week. Blue - I'm on the low dose asprin too.. ginger - its rotten that they put conditions on when you have a m/c as to whether they'll help or not...

Barbie - that does sound a long time without AF - seeing another dr sounds like a good idea.

annie, vm, Wasabi - thinking of you all

gingermumi · 26/01/2009 18:47

meant implantation bleed barbi

GiraffesCantDanceAtACeilidh · 26/01/2009 20:44

Hiya feeling really rubbish today, no reason why I should feel especially rubbish today, just do. My best friend is pregnant and am so struggling with that, part of me is overjoyed that I get to be an "auntie" other part of me wants to scratch her eyes out i jealousy Saw an aquantaince at nursery pick up today and her lovely little baby, just felt so and had to make an excuse to rush off where as usually we would walk together. I know isolating myself isnt the answer though. Have bad nausea due to ear infection and it kind of feels like preg nausea so thats making me too. Just had a long hot shower and am planning on an early night but just now am too would up to go to bed. Just needed a vent.

zen sorry to hear about your loss. x

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