Recurrent miscarriage testing and beyond.. Part 6.. Over here!

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We have filled up the last thread so here is the next.. Deep breath and grit your teeth for the roller coaster of emotions that continues... Hope tea and butterfly and all find it!

Ah Butterfly sorry you're feeling down. That's just how I was a couple of weeks ago and I'm sure hormones do have a big role to play. However we are all also having a shitty time and that can't be underestimated. It's hard work dealing with all this!! I would massively recommend acupuncture to sort out any hormonal imbalance and feelings of stress/anxiety/sadness. I find it amazingly helpful. I went a couple of weeks ago on one of my worst days - I just cried to the poor lady. However on the way home I felt really happy & positive. It was such an amazing transformation. Then I went again a week later when AF still hadn't turned up and it came the next morning!! It's not cheap and I hate needles but worth a try??

For vitamins and supplements I found this lady really helpful (she worked at a clinic I used to go to) here

It is shitty but you know sometimes I think am I dwelling on this too much and do other people think for god's sake pull yourself together and snap out of it! (I'm sure they don't really) But it is hard work and very stressful something that somebody who hasn't been through it could never begin to understand.
Is your accupuncturist specifically for fertility issues or a general one? I've been keep thinking about having it there is a fertility one near to me, I know it's not cheap but I don't mind I'll do anything. I'm going for a spa day and having reflexolgy as one of my treatments so hoping that will help with the stress!

Thank you for the link it's really interesting I like how she explains why you should take each vitamin and what it does. I'll be rattling like you but whatever it takes!

I feel like I'm also completely obsessed as I constantly think about the fact I'm not pregnant/don't have another baby. I know everyone says not to stress about it but how can you not dwell??!

My acupuncturist specialises in fertility, she actually used to be a midwife. It important that you find one you trust and feel comfortable with. I went to see someone else but changed as I just wasn't convinced by them and their style. I think there's a British acupuncture council or something so you might be able to find a list of people in your area. My lady also seems to have some knowledge of vitamins and supplements so has advised me on that too. It's also great having someone you can just talk to in detail about boring fertility stuff (like we do on here!!).

FWIW I don't think pull yourself together and snap out of it! In fact I think we are all pretty immune to mc. It's only when I read other threads on here and someone might say oh my gosh you had a mc, or 3 mc that's terrible, that I realise how shocking multiple mc really are.

I've emailed a lady this morning about accupuncture she seems to do a lot of work with people going through ivf so hopefully she might be quite knowledgeable with this sort of thing I'll see what she says.

Thank you for not thinking I'm nuts! I think I'm just a bit sick at the minute, what is it with me and sundays I was like this last week!! Last night I was all for getting in touch with the bereavement councillor the hospital recommend I feel like I might need a chat with her...but I've chickened out now!

Tea, I feel obsessed, I think about mc/pg every day. I can't wait for that to be gone, if nothing else once the menopause starts! My oh kept something yesterday because it would be useful one day, potentially, so we are also surrounded by it.

And you're not nuts butterfly, this is all so hard! As for vitamins, I can't remember and don't want to misguide you. I stop them when I'm pg but i've never had anyone too speak to until now.

Uff, sitting at my desk having eaten loads, am exhausted and a bit crampy, wish it was next week already when I will either be on a fresh count down or pg.

I wish I knew the answer to not thinking about all this stuff! I thought that my personality didn't help as I tend to think too much and dwell on things but looks like we all do it!! It does make you feel like you're going nuts though with all these thought whirring around inside your head!!

Butterfly I do think Sundays are the worst!! Although Mondays are often not great for me as I work from home so have too much time to worry/google! However I don't feel sad today just the constant agitation that time is ticking away! CD13 for me so already obsessing over ovulation signs! What CD is everyone else on?! Might as well indulge our obsession here while noones looking..

Twenty I guess thats one positive about the menopause!! I am also at my desk eating crap and gazing out at the lovely weather wishing I was somewhere else!

Hi girls.
None of you are crazy.. Well, if you are then we all are!

I am in bed at home today as appear to have some kind of gastroenteritis.

Was sick first thing in the morning and thought was just morning sickness but then it just didnt stop and I was being sick every 15 mins ish till midday. Since then it's been maybe once an hour/45 mins on average so bit better.

Yuck horrid. Phoned GP as worried about baby but she basically said he/ she will be fine and I will come off the worst (good!).

So just trying to keep water down which I have so far failed to do.

Tea.. Are you doing of sticks? (Sorry lost track a bit these last few days of what everyone is up to).

Twenty & Tea well I've been good today and eaten no crap! I went back to weight watchers after 7 months off so I have to be good now, have only got about 11 pound to lose so not a lot but I've been left with a couple of extra pounds from each pregnancy and I want them off.

School you poor thing the sickness bug is a nasty one I had it a while back :( hope you feel better soon.

Well I plucked up the courage to phone the councillor today and cried while I was talking to her! She can't fit me in for a few weeks but I'm pleased I've made the appointment. I'm sick of this bleeding now it isn't really getting started it's just brown and isn't even making it on to a panty liner just when I wipe, I was using tampons yesterday but not today as wasn't a lot there when I changed them (sorry if tmi!) I hope I'm not just going to bleed like this until my period was actually due!

School you poor thing! That bug sounds horrendous, I hope you're better soon. Make sure you don't get dehydrated.

I don't really use the opks as find them a faff and have never got a positive. I did another one after your post and again got no line!! There the cheapo amazon ones and not sure I trust them! However I wouldn't actually expect to ovulate yet as my cycles are either mental or quite long. Just going to dtd until AF arrives....& I hope it won't be as long as last cycle!

Buttefly glad you made the appointment. I always feel better taking positive steps. The counsellor and healthy eating sound like good ideas. I had a bit of counselling after my 1st mc & it was quite interesting - although ultimately I didn't really cheer up til I got to 14 weeks pregnant!! . I might try to do my exercise DVD tonight as feeling guilty after all the biscuits!!

I'm having a panic for some reason today

Not got another scan till 17 weeks and I am 14 weeks tomorrow.

DH away with work but back thurs night. Think I might book a private scan for Friday.

Wish I could chill out but can't stop thinking there's no heartbeat

Hi School. I think this is a difficult time as its such a long wait for a scan and too early to feel movement for reassurance. Also as you've been having such regular scans its bound to feel unnerving going it alone. The chances are everything is totally fine but I would book a private scan just to put your mind at rest - not sure I could wait til 20 weeks either!! You're also probably feeling rubbish because you've been poorly.

Have you got lots to occupy yourself with until Friday?

Thanks tea. You're right being ill probably hasn't helped. hospital are actually doing me the extra scan at 17 weeks as well as regulation 20 week one. But yes those regular 2 weekly scans were such a help.

I'm off work today as feeling pretty weak still (though sickness stopped now thank goodness). But working for rest of week so that always keeps me rushed off my feet combined with lookig after DS which is good I guess.

Like you say- just wish I could feel movement.

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Just make sure you take it easy and don't rush back to work until you're better. Remember you are doing all you can. You've done all the right things and a scan won't change anything. I know its hard (& I can't do it) but try not to imagine the worst. Although not sure if you're like me but after my 1st mc I only worried about 12 weeks however over this last year I've done so much mc research that i can imagine I now won't feel relaxed until a baby is actually here!!

Anyway stay off the Internet now! Book the scan then you've literally done all you can & its out of your hands. Then go and watch some crap TV and enjoy your sick day!!

Hi school I agree with tea I would book the scan or could you not ring the hospital and see if they could scan you? I would be exactly the same you need to put your mind at rest or the next 3 weeks will be torture.

Tea I've done the same as you and researched too much and scared myself, instead of just reading about what applies to me I've gone too far. Stupid beacause we can't un-read it now!

Yes I've totally scared myself!! And while its comforting to know not everyone has an easy time I often worry that something worse will happen to me next time. Can't wait til I've finished with this 'having a family' business!

School you could ring the hospital and ask. Say you're stressed because you've had a tummy bug & can't work out which cramps are which?! Or something along those lines...

Thanks butterfly. 3 weeks does seen ages!

Tea that's so funny I was thinking of calling the hospital and saying exactly that! Only thing is with DH being away I couldn't be fussy about the time and last time we thought all was ok because we had seen heartbeat at 7 weeks and I went for a scan with my sis. No heartbeat and DH abroad - was awful. So we swore we would make sure he was always there in future.

So anyway I've booked in at a private hospital for 7pm Friday.

Oh an in answer to your other thing tea about only worrying to 12 weeks, I do feel a LOT better since 12 week scan but just still have nowhere near the same confidence I did with DS.

Thanks for your support as always, makes me feel so much better.

Going to go get a shower and try and feel a bit more human!

Hope you feel better for booking the scan school :)

Anybody who has had accupuncture how often did you have to go? I'm trying to arrange an appointment but it's proving very difficult with working full time, the lady said my treatment will be restricted if I can only go on a monday as I would need to see her at specific points in my cycle. How do I manage that!

Hey Butterfly.
I had weird non existing periods after one of my erpcs and had acupuncture but only once a week.. Sometimes once a fortnight.. And my lady did seen good. No idea if it did anything but I found it weirdly relaxing!

Yes I do feel better now I've booked the scan although also getting those pre- scan nerves- never happy!

I go on the same day (tuesdays) as its a day when I have childcare and when the lady works near me. Usually every other week but sometimes more or less depending on what's going on. I've never been told that I need to go on specific days (seen 3 acupuncturists so far) as they usually fit around me! Would have thought that's more relevant with IVF but we just need general support - its not like we know on which day everything goes wrong! She sounds a little bit obstructive to me. Could you go to one near your work as that might open up the days/times you could visit?

Hope friday hurries up for you!

There is one other lady I'm going to try she's near where I work, the problem is I work until 7 most of the week but the beginning of the week is good for me. I've left a message so just waiting for her to call me back but it says on her website she can do evenings and weekends so might be better. The one I have been trying to get in with seemed to really specialise in all aspects of fertility which is why I plumped for her whereas this other lady only mentions ivf but it does say womens health so prob be ok. Also in. the first reply I got from first one she said herbs played an important part (she's chinese) I don't really fancy brewing herbs up etc and just wondered if she tries to get more money out of you! God it's stressing me out trying to get a bloody appointment for something that's meant to chill me out!!

I've never been to a traditional Chinese practitioner so never had herbs either. Although I read an article in the paper about someone in London who apparently had amazing success with rmc and she used herbs as well as traditional acupuncture. After that I worried I needed to go and see someone else and get some herbs but I never did! You can't do everything can you! But I know what you mean - I hate spending a fortune on stuff which I don't really know whether it works and I still worry I'm not doing enough or am doing the wrong things! What did she seem like on the phone? Maybe have an initial appointment with both and see who you prefer?

Oh ffs, I just deleted my own post !!!

School, sorry to hear about your bug and glad to hear you have a scan booked Friday, wich you weren't having to pay for it - shouldn't your Trust give you more frequent scans re your rmc history?

Butterfly I've never tried acupuncture, good luck and hope you find a more flexible and encouraging/welcoming practitioner!

Fx Tea re ov this month!

Afm, I'm cd 25, last month AF came on cd 26 but have started as early as cd 24 and been as late as cd 30/31. Been feeling crampy all day, quite strongly, so I think it's on its way. I hope I'm wrong!

Hi Ladies

Thank you very much for your kind words and welcome last week school tea and butterfly I've crawled back from up under my rock.. last week really took it out of me and I was much more emotional this time. so as an update I went to the EPAU on Friday they were as they have been before very lovely and supportive which I think is important, any way I had a scan but as suspected there was nothing there and by then most had come away.They also did a PT which was negative.

Unfortunately the hospital cannot refer us directly to the re-occurant MC clinic so I'm off to the GP to get the referral sorted out. We will then have to wait to see what we are offered in terms of testing, so I've spent lots of the weekend reading to see what we should be offered. It seems to be very dependent on who your consultant is and where you are based. DH and I have decided that if we can't or aren't offered everything then we will pay for it privately. I know there may not be anything worry with either of us but the control freak in me just has to know I've had it all done

Apart from that feeling better this week, think it maybe something to do with the sun actually appearing and not driving to and from work in the pitch black!

Hope you are feeling better school

Hey Twenty. Hope you are wrong too .. It's cruel that pregnancy/ implantation symptoms are so similar to pre menstrual ones isn't it.

Re my scans.. Well I have already been given 4 instead of the usual 1 at 12 weeks and I have been booked in for one at 17 and one at 25 in addition to the 20 week one so don't feel that I can really complain- my care has been brilliant.

Coffee. Do you mind me asking where abouts in the country you are? From my research London st Mary's and Liverpool womens are 2 of the best clinics so if you can request either of those I would. Glad you are feeling bit better this week- I agree the sunshine helps I areas of all that grey!

Hi ladies I'm new to this, just wanted to tell you about what's happened to me and hopefully get some advise?? Had ectopic preg removed via lap 4 weeks ago.. Horrible time we conceived with chlomid after years of trying with pcos. My hcg levels fell from 1200-700-120-70-40-23... The doc asked me to come back after 2 weeks to confirm its at zero which I did.. The hcg had risen to 27 and a week later again up to 40... The nurse initially told me she thought this is a new pregnancy then that its prob not just tissue left behind.. They going to test me again n 3 days.. Is it possible I'm pregnant or caught a week after my op? And if so wouldn't the levels have gone far higher than just an increase of 13?? I'm really scared at the thought of having the methox injection if I may be pregnant?? Anyone had anything similar?? I'm going out of my mind... xx