Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

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Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

The way i understand the whole pcos and miscarriage thing is if you have extreme pcos then there can be a whole load of related conditions that aren't helpful when ttc/pg eg high bmi, hormonal imbalance, diabetes. But I think in my circumstances, having 40 day cycles and polycystic ovaries isn't causing my miscarriages.

Another thing I have on my side is that I gave birth to ds vaginally (at nearly full-term) and all my miscarriages were managed naturally. So no risks of any internal scarring.

hairy good luck with gp tomorrow

banana glad to hear investigations seem to be progressing for you too.

ladybee sorry you've been feeling so low. I sympathise with the tendency to look over the last year and see only the bad things. Yes 2010 has been pretty shite, but it's good to remember the positives.

This time last year I was getting over my first miscarriage convinced I'd either be pregnant in 12 months time if not actually holding my newborn. Never imagined I'd then go on to have another two.
However, this time last year i was juggling freelancing with no routine for childcare and dh's business was struggling. Now I'm on a rolling contract with a great company doing a regular 4 day week. DS is thriving with his mix of mummy/daddy/nanna and cm. Dh's business is doing very well and we've paid off one of our loans a year earlier. If we'd not been ttc we'd be feeling very pleased with what we've achieved this year.

X posted LAF. hoping all is well. Another fact I learnt today is that a third of all successful pregnancies have bleeding of some sort. Most of it unexplained.

Hi, have been chasing tail all day and have yet to dish up dinner, so will just do a general wave and catch up properly tomorrow.

LAF, will be keeping everything crossed for you - Lunatic is right, several of us have been there and are still pg, so every reason to hope. Try to relax tonight and get some sleep, however unlikely that sounds...

LAF will be hoping for good news for you tomorrow.

LAF good luck today. If it's any consolation, I bled at 15weeks with DD continuously for nearly a fortnight. All was fine but it didn't stop me nearly having a breakdown! Hope it goes well today, I'm sure it's nothing to worry about :)

Thanks ladies for all your support. I had my scan and my bean has grown by 1.6mm in 8 days which I think is good. They did say that the heart rate seemed slower than expected, but I'm choosing to believe right now that is because the baby was sleeping. She said that there is an area of bleeding away from the pregnancy sac which may have been the cause. Anyone else have any experience with a slower than normal heart rate and things being OK?

I need to moan about ESH and I'm sure that Lunatic understands. I had a lady that was new to the hospital that had been scanning elsewhere and wasn't familiar with the scanner. I can accept that people need to learn somehow, but I'm not happy that each time I've been in, I have been part of someone's "learning experience" which makes me uncomfortable.

There was no whispering in front of me this time. She asked me to come back in a week which I can't do because of Christmas travel plans, so they want me to come in the new year, but there was no diary book for 2011 so they couldn't book me in. I'm supposed to have the 11 week scan on the 6th, but they want me to go to the EPU instead.

I wished the sister a Merry Christmas as I was leaving and you know what she said to me??? "I would wish you a Merry Christmas, but..." I was gobsmacked. Of course the thought of losing my baby at Christmas time is heavily on my mind. To hear a comment like that coming from someone in the medical profession is extremely upsetting. I'm always mentally preparing myself for the worst. I know that they don't want to encourage you into a false sense of security, but to be a doom merchant is unacceptable. DH said that he didn't hear her comment, but she said it and I heard it.

I'm really thinking about getting a private scan before I go away. I will have to assess the situation on Monday as the weather is supposed to be poor again over the coming days and it may be difficult to get to the clinic.

Sorry to have such a self-absorbed post. I'll catch up later when I've calmed down.

LAF, really glad you've got a hb and bean is growing, but at your EPU. Very insensitive words, and totally rubbish you keep being someone's practice run.

What is the bean's length now? And what was the heartrate, did they say?

I'd just go for the private scan, TBH. Get some definitive answers and better treatment.

frazzled the bean is now 3.8mm. I've been looking on the internet which is very dangerous I know and it says that the bay should be growing 1mm per day, so maybe it is a bad sign that it hasn't grown that much. They didn't tell me the heart rate. I will plan to have a private scan next week if the weather cooperates. I can't bear the thought of losing another pregnancy this year.

I know, it's unspeakable. Feels like fate is out to get you, personally.

But you DO have that hb. I never got that far with either of my two mcs, and I'm sure some of the ladies here have had successful pgs after some medical huffing and puffing about small beans.

thanks frazzled it is a waiting game and it is unbearable. It should be a happy time to be pregnant, but it isn't for me. I'm glad that MN exists and you all are here because I don't know who I could talk to in RL.

Shocked at your EPU's behaviour LAF77. Very pleased you have seen a heartbeat. How many weeks are you measuring now?

hi banana they didn't tell me how many weeks that I am measuring, only that the baby is 3.8mm long. I got a little photo to take home. Based on LMP, I should be 8+6 today. I think that the baby should be closer to 20mm from this site and if babies do grown 1mm per day, i was scanned 8 days ago, so it should be 12mm, I'd think.

Laf glad it went ok, apart from even more insensitive NHS staff :(

Wave to everyone.

the nurse from the surgery just rang.

All the bloods I had taken have come back as 'normal'

does this mean I don't have sticky blood?

LAF Glad it went ok and that you saw a heartbeat even though you have come away more uncertain than before you went. I would definitely get that private scan done once and for all and possibly make a request at your normal hospital to ensure you see someone who isnt training. You do not have to have students or trainees in on your consultations, you have a right to request that they aren't present. It isn't being rude. I have done this before.

hairy Can you ask your surgery for the actual figure of your results? perhaps a print out of your most recent set taken? I did this and my "normal" results actually weren't that great and when I went back to the doctor I queried it and they agreed with me. I think we always need to be one step ahead ready for the next task.

I posted a thread in conception in the hope Attila would see it and sure enough she has and has advised me of some new questions to ask. here Sunny also replied to me, she is still pg and has just had her 12 week scan :)

Waves to everyone else. I'm always lurking as I have nothing else productive to do with my time as DD is too busy pretending to be a horse!

baubles I have phones and they will print off results for me. Thanks for the tip. I will take the info to my consultant appointment.

baubles I have phones and they will print off results for me. Thanks for the tip. I will take the info to my consultant appointment.

baubles I have phones and they will print off results for me. Thanks for the tip. I will take the info to my consultant appointment.

laf did they say the age the bean was measuring? Or explain what the measurement meant in relation to the last scan.
To be honest with you I really think you've had terrible treatment and their communication has been appalling considering your history.
It really sounds like they're not giving you all the facts and you have every right to call up and ask to speak to a doctor there or have an appointment with a doctor. You shouldn't have to pay out for a private scan when your care is with this epu. Get your dh to do it if you're not feeling very assertive right now.

I'm saying this because I was in your situation with my last pg - and unfortunately it didn't end well. Please dont take this the wrong way - im not trying to scare you or compare your pregnancy to mine, but I've been there and the overriding feeling was a desperation to know my chances of keeping the pregnancy but the epu nurse wouldn't commit.
My scan at 6+1 measured 'fine' - but even though they saw the fetal pole and yolk sac they didn't measure it. The gestational sac measured right for my dates though. I lost my symptoms a couple of days later. Went for another scan at 7+2 and foetus only measured 6+3. The heartbeat was bradycardic - which means it was below 70bpm. I asked whether there was any hope and the nurse said to come back in a week. She wouldn't say that the pregnancy had a very very slim chance of surviving - I had to find this out myself. All she kept repeating was 'research shows us that while there is still a heartbeat we cannot confirm either way'.
I started cramping and bleeding the next day.

I really really hope that this is different for you - especially as the heart is still beating and you're over week further on than I was. It can get stronger, and it can catch up. Thinking of you and your DP.

hairy normal is good, but it would be reassuring to see the actual results and discuss it with a doctor. How long did those results take? Am wondering when to expect mine.

Have one last Xmas work lunch tomorrow then I can lay off the booze for a week until actual Xmas!! There seems to have been an unspoken agreement that we may be ttc again, if last night is anything to go by. Think if we don't say it out loud then we're not really ttc. So when af eventually comes it'll be fine because we're still actually waiting for the test results.

Hi, Digi I had the blood tests last Friday. Two were back by Tuesday, but my Doctor was not in until today, and today they were all back.

Yes keeping TTC kind of hush is such a great idea - no pressure!

Hi Ladies.

LAF Still have my fingers crossed for you.

Hairy normal means you don't have clotty blood :)

Well I am booked for a hysteroscopy tomorrow. In a very dramatic turn of events, I saw my gynae last night who said I need it done, I was wary, but realized quickly he was right when I saw the bloody blood in my underwear (again!) and had really severe abdominal pain. He is sending the tissue to the hospital to be tested for molar tissue. I am really hoping it is not a partial mole. If it is would the initial tests have come back positive? He is going to call me while I am in America to discuss the results. Why is this miscarriage dragging out so much? And if I am a medical marvel then what else is my body doing that is not right? :(

Apologies for my absence. I went to see John Bishop last night and we've been busy decorating and the like today. Just wanted to check in and send lots of love to banana. Hope tomorrow draws a line under this for you finally, though I'm so sorry you have to go through the procedure and the uncertainty that goes with it.

LAF you are entitled to a definitive answer to any questions you may have, and though the answers may not be exactly what you want to hear, they should be alleviating your uncertainty, not hiding information from you and making hideously unprofessional comments. I'd ring your EPU and ask for their opinion on measurements combined with your estimated dates from one scan to the next. Having said that, if paying for a private scan is the best course of action for you, then I think it's a necessary investment in your peace of mind. I have EVERYTHING crossed for you. I've also had spotting through one successful pg and have had a bit in this one. It is common, though I know that's little comfort. I'm thinking of you. Hugs.

Waves to everyone else. Not much to report at this end except hideous nausea and out of control boobs. Along with the fatigue, I'm hoping this is good news.

Waves to everyone else. Promise to have a proper readand catch up soon. X