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CFG degree

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btwin · 14/02/2023 17:08

Has anyone completed the CFG degree? Considering putting in an application for the next cohort and having a bit of a wobble about the time commitment 😵‍💫

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MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 19:03

What an inspiring thread!
How are you doing @camelCase , @Rosti1981 @SQLsurfer and @explain ?

Are you still happy with your change?
Have you been able to go part time or know anyone who has been able to go part time?

Rosti1981 · 07/01/2025 19:17

MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 19:03

What an inspiring thread!
How are you doing @camelCase , @Rosti1981 @SQLsurfer and @explain ?

Are you still happy with your change?
Have you been able to go part time or know anyone who has been able to go part time?

Hi there,
Yes I'm still generally happy with the change though I'm full-time (my children are a bit older now so I wanted to be full-time- I know some women who did though).
I feel really grateful and lucky to have had this opportunity to career change in my 40s, in a relatively stress-free way (I mean in that there was some system in place to do so, and a clear pathway to follow - at least during the CFG degree- haha-since there's less of a clear pathway now!)

MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 19:29

Thanks for replying @Rosti1981. So glad you're still enjoying it.
It honestly sounds like a great path to take.

codemonkeya · 07/01/2025 20:22

I saw this thread pop up again. I did the CFGdegree and have been at my role (company sponsored) for over a year and still enjoying it. I'm not going to say what company it is but it doesn't actually matter because they are no longer sponsoring places so specifics about them won't help anyway.

My biggest advice is if it's at all possible, get a company sponsored place that comes with a job offer (even if it's not your ideal job) and use it to get past the massive hurdle that is getting an entry-level job as a developer.

In my cohort there were quite a few ladies who were CFG-sponsored or sponsored by companies who were not offering jobs. Obviously for quite a few of them they simply had no choice as there was nothing suitable that came with a job offer. If that's true for you, it's definitely still worth going for the CFG degree and I'll come back to that later.

For the ones who had actively chosen not to apply for a sponsored place with a job offer though, I think truthfully almost all of them regretted it.

For a few of them they did seem really keen on career changing but said they didn't want to be tied down and committed to taking the job at the end. Some of them just didn't want to work at the sponsoring companies. There was quite a bit of wanting to work in a fun and exciting start-up that aimed to be the new google rather than something boring and corporate.

Truthfully, I think they were quite naïve about the realities of the job market and how hard getting a junior role actually is. I think they thought that the CFG degree would give them the skills to work as a junior and that once it was on their CV, they'd put their heads down, apply for a load of jobs and get one and work their way up. I'm not still in touch with all of them but from what I last heard I'd be pretty sure that less than half got a job by themselves.

For some others, their reasons for going for the non-job offer places were that they were not completely committed to career changing and did the CFG degree to see if it was something they liked. While this was fine for the people who decided to go onto something different, for those who did decide they wanted to go into a career, it was a wasted opportunity. You can only take the CFG degree once, so they missed out on a place that would give them a job. I completely get why they felt quite casually about it. Even the whole application process with a web form feels quite casual but actually CFG is really quite unique in the job-offer thing. It's the one massive thing that sets them apart and it's really not something to gloss over.

I can't emphasise it enough that if you can get a job offer with your place then I think it's so worth it just to get a foot in the door. Even if it means waiting for the next cohort and applying again. After a year or so in the role, you can flounce off to some exciting cool new tech company or whatever once you have some experience. Then after a few years you're set and you will find it relatively easy to job hop around as you please.

The CFG degree does what it can do in 16 weeks but it absolutely scratches the tiniest tip of the iceberg. When you go into a job there is so much more to learn and you're almost definitely going to be very useless for a long time. What you learn on the CFGdegree is not even sort of enough for you to actually be valuable to a company yet. Working on live code in a team is so different to just doing personal projects on a small scale. The skills you learn are definitely useful as a foundation but it's not a situation where you can expect to walk in ready to add value to your team straight away.

If you are interested in it seriously, I would not treat the CFGdegree as a learning experience. I'd do the learning first. Udemy or whatever courses. Learn to code well enough that you're making your own projects and are ready for a junior role. Then if you can, get a sponsored place with CFG and use it as a stepping stone into a career.

I realise that my post sounds really discouraging to those who have no choice and can't get a place with a job-offer and I don't mean for it to come across that way. I want to step back and reiterate that there were still SOME people who got jobs that they loved by themselves, and it's very much possible for you to do so. It's just much harder which is why I'd only encourage that way if you have no other choice.

The people who got jobs afterwards were really on top of making portfolios. They were the people who made games or apps or websites or whatever for fun in their own time for their own entertainment.

Some people were technically very good at coding but really didn't seem to 'get' the level of drive they were going to need to impress enough to get a job. There were people who saw 'making a portfolio' as a task they needed to check off as part of the job application process. They'd watch a youtube tutorial and do a codealong of the exact thing then put it in their portfolio.

You need to be taking what you learn, from courses or tutorials or whatever and applying it to make your own things that you love. Not copying code down that someone on youtube is typing out.

There was a certain sort of spark and love for the creative side of coding and building things that the people who got the jobs had and I think it's hard to force that.

Ideally when you start learning to code, and making projects, you should find excitement and joy in making things you want to make and using the new things you've learned to improve it. Do you actually love making websites or games or analysing data or whatever?

It's a career with a lot of frustrating moments where you're spending so much time on tiny problems only to find out it was something stupid that you typed wrong. Yes it's well paid and it's a great job, but I think it would be miserable if you didn't really love it. Which is another reason I think you should already know if it's your passion before you sign up to a really intense 16 weeks.

camelCase · 07/01/2025 20:44

MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 19:03

What an inspiring thread!
How are you doing @camelCase , @Rosti1981 @SQLsurfer and @explain ?

Are you still happy with your change?
Have you been able to go part time or know anyone who has been able to go part time?

Wow it's been so long a lot has changed. So I didn't end up doing the cfg degree. I did a really great bootcamp last year and started working as an engineer for a well known company. It's full time but hybrid, really enjoying it, best thing I ever did 😁

MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 21:31

@codemonkeya congratulations on your job and it's great that you're still enjoying it. Thank you for writing such a detailed post. I really appreciate the guidance and I'm sure others will too.

Do you know if you can turn down a CFG sponsored place to hopefully attain a job in the next cohort?

I have a udemy course I bought before my health took a downturn so I'll complete that first and the Odin course recommended here.

@camelCase that's amazing! I'm so pleased you managed to get into the industry. If you don't mind, would you mind sharing your journey? I think in one of your last posts you wasn't sure what you wanted to do. How did you decide what direction to go in the end?

camelCase · 08/01/2025 07:27

MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 21:31

@codemonkeya congratulations on your job and it's great that you're still enjoying it. Thank you for writing such a detailed post. I really appreciate the guidance and I'm sure others will too.

Do you know if you can turn down a CFG sponsored place to hopefully attain a job in the next cohort?

I have a udemy course I bought before my health took a downturn so I'll complete that first and the Odin course recommended here.

@camelCase that's amazing! I'm so pleased you managed to get into the industry. If you don't mind, would you mind sharing your journey? I think in one of your last posts you wasn't sure what you wanted to do. How did you decide what direction to go in the end?

I completely agree with everything @codemonkeya has said, I knew I wasn't going to do the cfg degree unless there was a job attached to it(I did get offered sponsored places on the degree but declined) because of how brutal the job market is. As very few roles were coming up that I could apply for with cfg I started to look elsewhere and a few bootcamps had really high stats in terms of people landing roles soon after(I now know those results are manipulated in a lot of cases, long story). I applied to a couple got offered places and just did more research before accepting. The thing that decided it for me was a tech recruiter who I was connected with said he would only recommend 1 bootcamp because the caliber of students coming out of it was well known in the industry, so I chose that bootcamp.

After the bootcamp I applied to just over a dozen roles, got to final interviews for 2 apprenticeship places and got offered one. Also to put it into perspective my bootcamp cohort was just over 100 people, I think about 35 have managed to get a job in tech(and there have been another 3 cohorts since so another 300 ish people looking for entry level roles).

A very good alternative to cfg is Makers, they have a lot of apprenticeship roles coming up regularly with big names. You do a bootcamp with them as part of the apprenticeship and then go on to do a level 4 or 5 qualification (company/role dependent). To give you an idea of the sort of companies with roles available some of the most recent apprenticeships have been with Google,holiday inn, dwp, compare the market and apple. There will be a lot more apprenticeships coming up over the next year or 2 with various government departments so keep an eye out.

codemonkeya · 08/01/2025 11:15

MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 21:31

@codemonkeya congratulations on your job and it's great that you're still enjoying it. Thank you for writing such a detailed post. I really appreciate the guidance and I'm sure others will too.

Do you know if you can turn down a CFG sponsored place to hopefully attain a job in the next cohort?

I have a udemy course I bought before my health took a downturn so I'll complete that first and the Odin course recommended here.

@camelCase that's amazing! I'm so pleased you managed to get into the industry. If you don't mind, would you mind sharing your journey? I think in one of your last posts you wasn't sure what you wanted to do. How did you decide what direction to go in the end?

I'm sorry I didn't want to not reply but I don't know the answer to if this is something that's possible.

I imagine it is fine as long as you've not already accepted but either way I think it's a good idea to check with CFG to be sure as I wouldn't want to give the wrong info.

Your plan sounds good and I wish you the best of luck. Let me know if any questions.

explain · 08/01/2025 17:24

MissUnicorn · 07/01/2025 19:03

What an inspiring thread!
How are you doing @camelCase , @Rosti1981 @SQLsurfer and @explain ?

Are you still happy with your change?
Have you been able to go part time or know anyone who has been able to go part time?

I don't regret doing the course on the education-only strand at all. However i realise that I am so so lucky, as most of the cfg grads on education-only did not get jobs either on their own or through cfg.

I have since found out that it was only by my head of department bumping in to a cfg grad at an event, that I got my job. In a last minute deal cfg and my company decided to collab and hired 2 people from my cohort, hence why I was only put forward for an interview towards the very end of the cfg degree. The reason they put me and a few others forward for interview, I will never know, but I'm so grateful.

I will forever be grateful for cfg because my life trajectory has totally changed. Not only am I working in fintech but my eyes have been opened to so much more in terms of social capital and I am on the path to earning far more money than my previous job/career would offer.

I have also made new connections/friends from cfg too so really glad about that.

I would say if you havw an education only place then take it, as cfg are constantly working behind the scenes to get grads a role/interviews. They don't always put this on the Slack channel either, they contact students directly. Good luck

Rosti1981 · 08/01/2025 18:15

Yes I absolutely agree with everything @@codemonkeya says too. I'm about 9 months in and still know that there is SO much I don't know, and had it not been for a company sponsored place and CFG I don't think I'd have stood a chance. One thing I have found though is that my transferrable skills from former job are genuinely more useful than I realised - all the soft skills but also a general understanding of business not to mention the corporate world.

So I do bring something else to the table as well in terms of being business focussed and being able to present reasonably well (I think) to senior people and explain technical things I'm working on clearly. And just generally understanding risks, stakeholder management, communication etc and not having to learn all that from scratch again like a new graduate might.

The CFG course was enjoyable in coding terms but you could absolutely learn a lot of the coding content from Udemy or other bootcamps. Besides the job offer itself (invaluable), the things that were probably most useful in terms of employability were things like collaborating on code as a team (version control, git, GitHub etc), thinking beyond code in terms of architecture /deployment/DevOps etc., learning how to approach technical problems (e.g. feeling comfortable with not knowing stuff but using Google/Stack Overflow/other developers to fill in the gaps, as well as reading documentation), Agile / Scrum.

So more the whole ethos and approach around what working in a technical environment is like. I know so little even now but just being comfortable with asking the questions even as a junior, and tenacious/ bloody minded about solving problems... I think that is really important and CFG did support with that side as well.

I've met someone else who also got a job offer through Makers so might also be another decent avenue to explore?

Rosti1981 · 08/01/2025 18:18

Oh and use of the command line.
I hated this at many times during the degree and not all instructors even push it that much... But I'm very grateful for the grounding in it now.

MissUnicorn · 08/01/2025 18:53

Thanks for sharing your journey @camelCase . I'll have a look at Makers as well.

Thanks @codemonkeya. Once I'm ready, I'll ask them. Thanks for replying!

@explain I'm so happy for you. It sounds like it's made a true difference and that's so inspiring.

@Rosti1981 it sounds like the collaboration while doing the degree is really helpful for the future. Thank you for sharing. I'll remember to use that command line!
Well I got a fresh notebook today and downloaded all the resources from Udemy yesterday and I'm committing an hour 3 times a week to get this course done.
I also read the first section of the Odin project and they say don't teach languages or tools because you don't need it so I'm curious to work through their curriculum too.
Thank you to all for being such inspirations. 😀

Rosti1981 · 08/01/2025 20:03

Good luck @MissUnicorn ! I think there's a lot to be said for learning little and often with coding so your plan sounds perfect!

camelCase · 10/01/2025 10:37

Just bumping this up again as Makers seem to have a flurry of new apprenticeship roles available;

Company: Yoto
Role: Quality Engineer
Location: London Kings cross - Hybrid(1 day in office)
Salary: up to £30k
Be quick with this one as applications close on the 15th
Link - Yoto application

Company: PhysicsX
Role: Software Engineer
Location: London EC2A 4DQ - Hybrid(2-3 days in office)
Salary: £35k
Link - PhysicsX application

Company: Thales
Roles: Software Developer, Devops or Data Engineer
Locations: All hybrid - London, Glasgow, Crawley, Bristol, Templecombe
Salary: Upto £32k
Link - Thales application

Become a Developer with Yoto

https://apply.makers.tech/yoto.100.2-0-1-0?utm_term=LinkedIn%20yoto%2025&utm_campaign=20828353-Yoto%20March%202025&utm_content=347108568&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkedin&hss_channel=lcp-2921480

Kathy06 · 12/03/2025 19:07

basilpesto · 04/03/2023 12:31

Hi @btwin sorry if this is too late to be helpful, but I did the CFG degree last year and am now working in tech as a result. Happy to answer any questions.

I had a positive experience overall, I learned a lot and it connected me with a coding job at my new company which I am really enjoying so far. Choice of sponsoring company is very important though as other women on the course I know had less good outcomes. I can go into more detail about this if you want.

The time commitment is fairly high, mainly because it takes up four evenings a week, then you'll probably need a couple of hours at the weekend to complete the homework and review your notes. It ramps up a bit towards the end as you complete a group project and prepare for the final assessment. I found it intense but manageable. If you enjoyed and got on with the material from the intro course you'll be absolutely fine.

CFG can be a little disorganised which can sometimes be frustrating but overall I would definitely recommend it, it's a great opportunity to get some really valuable skills for free and get your foot in the door with some great companies.

Good luck if you do apply, happy to chat some more!

Hi i know this is old i have just applied but i was wondering do you start the job after the course or during? And is it guaranteed you get the job straight after as it claims ?

Rosti1981 · 12/03/2025 19:18

Kathy06 · 12/03/2025 19:07

Hi i know this is old i have just applied but i was wondering do you start the job after the course or during? And is it guaranteed you get the job straight after as it claims ?

It completely depends on the sponsoring company - have you applied for a place with a job at the end of it?

Almost definitely you wouldn't start the job until you finish the CFG degree- I've not heard of that happening though I guess it's possible. There's sometimes a gap of a few weeks/months between finishing the course and starting a job. For some sponsoring companies it is just dependent on your completing the CFG degree. Others may ask for one of the +Masters course or there may be further interviews or assessments (technical or otherwise) before the job is yours.

It really depends on the sponsoring organisation- and there is likely to be some info about that when you first apply, but possibly not that much - details emerge as you go through the application process

Kathy06 · 12/03/2025 19:22

Rosti1981 · 12/03/2025 19:18

It completely depends on the sponsoring company - have you applied for a place with a job at the end of it?

Almost definitely you wouldn't start the job until you finish the CFG degree- I've not heard of that happening though I guess it's possible. There's sometimes a gap of a few weeks/months between finishing the course and starting a job. For some sponsoring companies it is just dependent on your completing the CFG degree. Others may ask for one of the +Masters course or there may be further interviews or assessments (technical or otherwise) before the job is yours.

It really depends on the sponsoring organisation- and there is likely to be some info about that when you first apply, but possibly not that much - details emerge as you go through the application process

Ohh see i remember seeing it was a 3 days in office role and the rest at home for the company i applied for as i didn’t do the education only course. I presume its a permanent role as another role said 12 months only and the one i applied for didn't so i am not sure.

also what sort of questions do they ask for the virtual interview ? I can’t find much on this

Rosti1981 · 12/03/2025 19:26

For the CFG interview, the video one, they give quite a lot of guidance (unless it's changed - it was a set of about 4-5 general questions and then you had to pre record answers and submit). Mostly about why you wanted to do the course, your motivation, why you'd chosen your sponsor etc.

The company part will depend on the org you've applied to again. But if you are invited to interview with a company CFG do offer some coaching and guidance about how best to approach, prior to having the interview.

As I say some companies do a post CFG course assessment/interview as well.

Kathy06 · 13/03/2025 13:38

Rosti1981 · 12/03/2025 19:26

For the CFG interview, the video one, they give quite a lot of guidance (unless it's changed - it was a set of about 4-5 general questions and then you had to pre record answers and submit). Mostly about why you wanted to do the course, your motivation, why you'd chosen your sponsor etc.

The company part will depend on the org you've applied to again. But if you are invited to interview with a company CFG do offer some coaching and guidance about how best to approach, prior to having the interview.

As I say some companies do a post CFG course assessment/interview as well.

Thank you so much

PerkyBird · 20/11/2025 18:35

naptimecoder · 30/05/2024 15:46

I’m on the CFG degree at the moment - I’d really recommend The Odin Project. It’s free and self-guided but I found it prepared me well for the degree. Definitely no need to pay lots of money to learn, the content is out there! I tried a few Udemy courses but found that although I could follow along with the videos, I wasn’t actually learning the practical skills to build projects myself.

The thing I liked about The Odin Project is that it encourages you to learn by reading documentation and solving problems with very little hand-holding, rather than coding along with videos. It’s a good way to start getting confident with the sorts of technical resources that you’ll use a lot in your future career!

Good luck!

Hi @naptimecoder I know this is quite old but I have been doing The Odin Project for some time (my last finalised project is Members Only), however I haven't been able to get a job in the industry despite having a degree in Computing too. I recently came across CFG and applied for one of their degrees that provides a job at the end.

Can I please ask how did you find the degree after having been through TOP? Any interview tips? I've been dreaming about a job in tech for so long and this seems like a life changing opportunity so I really want to do well and get on it :)
Thanks so much in advance!!

Rosti1981 · 24/11/2025 08:15

PerkyBird · 20/11/2025 18:35

Hi @naptimecoder I know this is quite old but I have been doing The Odin Project for some time (my last finalised project is Members Only), however I haven't been able to get a job in the industry despite having a degree in Computing too. I recently came across CFG and applied for one of their degrees that provides a job at the end.

Can I please ask how did you find the degree after having been through TOP? Any interview tips? I've been dreaming about a job in tech for so long and this seems like a life changing opportunity so I really want to do well and get on it :)
Thanks so much in advance!!

Hey I didn't do TOP so can't comment on that but what I would say is if you are looking to break into a tech career it could well be worth doing regardless of the CFG "degree" content - purely because it does offer you that sponsored route through with a job at the end.
I would choose your sponsorship carefully based on where you would like to work and the offer, then apply. The degree itself is almost a moot point - you would probably be familiar with a lot of the content but practicing skills is no bad thing and you can take the assessments/personal projects further if you want/ use it to deepen your portfolio. It's the connections and sponsorship that are particularly unique - basically giving you a clear pathway into the industry.

Rosti1981 · 24/11/2025 08:20

Also @PerkyBird if you don't get in this time do reapply. Part of it is just a numbers game and continuing to hone your application- many many women including me had to apply more than once before getting offered a place.
And if they do offer you CGG sponsored place only I would be wary of taking that, as that wouldn't give you much more than you have already. It's a one time opportunity and so get an industry sponsored place with job at the end if at all possible.
If you were just testing out if tech is for you then CFG sponsored is fine, but if you definitely want to move into tech then the company sponsored part is really important.

PerkyBird · 24/11/2025 08:25

Rosti1981 · 24/11/2025 08:20

Also @PerkyBird if you don't get in this time do reapply. Part of it is just a numbers game and continuing to hone your application- many many women including me had to apply more than once before getting offered a place.
And if they do offer you CGG sponsored place only I would be wary of taking that, as that wouldn't give you much more than you have already. It's a one time opportunity and so get an industry sponsored place with job at the end if at all possible.
If you were just testing out if tech is for you then CFG sponsored is fine, but if you definitely want to move into tech then the company sponsored part is really important.

@Rosti1981 thank you so much - yes I am confident I will be comfortable with the degree content, assignments and schedule and having a job tied to the opportunity is ideal because of how competitive the current tech market is. I wouldn't do an education place only just because I can only do the CFG degree once and I'd rather have a secured job at the end.

The opportunity I applied for is perfect for me (location, stream, company etc), but I am aware these are so competitive and I'm just really nervous about the self recorded interview as it decides if I get an interview with the sponsoring company. I've been drafting some ideas/responses, read the tips, watched the webinar on how to strengthen my application.

Any advice is much appreciated - I was planning on sending my responses this week and I need everything I can get 😁

Thanks a bunch!

Rosti1981 · 24/11/2025 08:30

That honestly sounds like you've got it covered practice wise. I practiced saying my answers a few times out loud, and smiling a bit, just to make sure when i did record I was completely ready and my answer was the right length, i landed the key points etc. I didn't much like having to record answers but just practiced several times before doing it for real.
The company interview (stage after) feels more like a normal interview!

Rosti1981 · 24/11/2025 08:31

And good luck! I hope it does the trick and you get through to the next stage.