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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Week 1 - Pre-Christmas '24 Low Carb Bootcamp. And we're off!

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BIWI · 21/10/2024 09:10

Morning all!

Here's the spreadsheet

Four important things:

  1. You don't have to be on the spreadsheet if you don't want to - so if your name is there and you want it taken off, let @FinallyHere know, and she will remove it
  2. If you've signed up, but your name isn't there, again, let @FinallyHere know and she will add you
  3. Just add your weight and don't touch any of the other cells!
  4. If you're using your phone for Mumsnet, you'll need to download the Google Sheets app
For Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.docs.editors.sheets&hl=en-US For apple iPhone: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-sheets/id842849113

If you don't want to be on the spreadsheet that's perfectly fine, but please make sure you check out all the resources that on there, on the different tabs. Most critical of all, of course, is the tab with the rules. But there's also loads of information about low carbing, carb counts for various things (including the veg carb counter, which is important), and various different plans and recipes that might help you.

And a massive thank you to @FinallyHere for managing this Flowers

Autumn 2024 Bootcamp

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AUEHin0tB7wq2D_bKWdUnN3QlZq2Nwzab9CUYgRRymk/edit?gid=1892381976#gid=1892381976

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FinallyHere · 23/10/2024 21:24

@Gunnersforthecup

My favourite mayonnaise is DIY, and it's zero carb and delicious stick blender mayoo*

somanylights · 24/10/2024 04:32

@Gunnersforthecup I was just coming on to say this lovely lot told me about how easy it is to make mayo at the last BC. I use a basic avocado oil (never be tempted to use extra virgin of any type of oil for it, it's too strong). I was going to ask advice about seed oils too. I avoid them, but a friend told me they're actually okay, it's the balance of omega 3 and 6 in our diets that's the issue. Anybody here know?
And @islandtiger yes please to your delicious soup recipe!

BIWI · 24/10/2024 09:29

Sorry for the late reply! To answer your questions:

  • 3.7g for yoghurt is pretty good - don't think you'll find a good, full fat one lower than that
  • Rapeseed oil isn't great, as it's a vegetable oil, but the main brands all use it. The only one I can see that doesn't, is Stokes, but it is expensive. It's easy to make yourself, if you're concerned/use a lot of it - just don't use extra virgin olive oil, as the taste will be very bitter.
  • Most of the supermarkets have premium ranges of sausages which could be as low as The Black Farmer ones - just check the back of the pack when you're shopping.
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StuntNun · 24/10/2024 09:31

Yes @somanylights it's the balance of omegas 3, 6 and 9 that's most important. I only use monounsaturated oils (avocado/olive/nut) and saturated fats (butter/lard/dripping/goose fat/coconut) at home but I don't fret about polyunsaturated vegetable oils when I'm eating out because I know my balance is going to be okay. If you can eat oily fish (tuna, salmon, mackerel etc.) at least once a week then that's going to be even better for you. My biggest concern about vegetable oils is how processed they are. You can't look at sweetcorn or oilseed rape and work out where the oil comes from.

BIWI · 24/10/2024 09:31

@somanylights

I was going to ask advice about seed oils too. I avoid them, but a friend told me they're actually okay, it's the balance of omega 3 and 6 in our diets that's the issue.

I think the issue with seed oils is that they don't encourage the right balance of Omega-3 and Omega-6.

This is covered in some detail in Dr. Andrew Jenkinson's book Why We Eat (Too Much) I don't have my copy to hand right now - lent it to someone else! - but I'll try and check that out

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HappyDanishLowCarbCamper · 24/10/2024 09:34

Hi all! Happily following along but mostly lurking for now.

A topical question: I'm trying to find a definitive answer as to whether or not cold pressed rapeseed oil is okay? We only use extra virgin olive oil for day-to-day cooking but I'd like to find something cheaper for certain things. My instinct is that it should be okay but I wondered if anyone knows for sure. Thanks.

HappyDanishLowCarbCamper · 24/10/2024 09:35

It's also the processing at high heat and additives/other issues to do with that, that makes seed oils harmful, if I understand correctly.

BIWI · 24/10/2024 09:39

The general advice is to avoid seed oils, so stick to olive/avocado oil. But I'll look into that more.

I only use EVOO for cooking, but have been trying to use just ordinary olive oil for that, and save the EVOO for salad dressings. It's a bit cheaper.

Don't forget you can also use butter and lard for frying.

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BIWI · 24/10/2024 09:40

Here's a summary of what's in Dr Jenkinson's book:

Why We Eat (Too Much)The New Science of Appetite
Ever struggled with diets and wondered why doctors don’t understand you?

Bariatric surgeon Andrew Jenkinson takes his patients own experiences of failed weight loss, mixes them with emerging science and leads you on a rollercoaster ride through metabolism, evolution, tasty food and suspect research to finally unlock the secrets to beating obesity.

Why We Eat (Too Much) is written to empower the reader to understand weight regulation. It takes the perspective of the failed dieter and explains, using ground breaking research, evolutionary medicine, anthropology, epigenetics, the history of food, and a large dose of common sense, just why they ended up trapped. The book, though fully scientifically referenced, is fast moving, light hearted and full of surprising facts and stories. It was conceived to be the ‘Freakonomics’ of Metabolism.

Original name for the book was ‘OBESOGENICS ’. The original cover designed to mimic ‘Freakonomics’ – featuring characters in the book Ancel Keys, The Sacred Cow, The Victorian Girl, Pacific Islanders and Goofy!

The chapters, piece together the hidden gems of metabolism and weight loss, that have been buried in rarely seen research. Moving through places (from Africa, to Dubai, to the Pacific, to Disneyworld…) and time (from the primordial sea, through the hunter-gatherers, to the Victorians, and the Caribbean sugar plantations…) to reveal the secrets of the obesity puzzle.

The premise of the book is that although most people eat too many calories, only some people become obese. It explains how changes in our modern environment can be misinterpreted by the body as signs of an impending famine or a harsh winter. The natural response to this is weight gain. These signals, which include excess omega-6, high insulin and high cortisol levels, when combined with previous low calorie dieting, cause intractable obesity. By eliminating these ‘famine’ signals we can take back control of our weight whilst enjoying healthy and tasty food.

In the first chapter “Metabology for Beginners’ we wonder why doctors know so little about obesity and weight loss when it affects a third of their patients? Starting with the shock of seeing their first cadaver in anatomy class, the story begins by describes how fat is the first thing medical students dissect away and discarded into the incineration bin. Ignored like the whole science of weight regulation. But, little do they know that hidden within those fat cells is a complicated organ that guides our appetite and energy use.

From the starvation experiments of conscientious objectors in Minnesota during the war, to overeating studies on prisoners in Vermont we start to understand that weight loss and weight gain don’t seem to follow the conventional, energy in - energy out, rules that are ingrained in our understanding of obesity. Why do people not lose as much or gain as much weight as expected. Why does the body try and hold on to its own desired weight?

By comparing the bodies exquisitely accurate regulation of water content (using thirst to take water in and urine to excrete it) to energy regulation (using appetite to take in and metabolism to use up) we wonder why such an important mechanism doesn’t seem to work - why is too much energy stored as fat in some people? Or, we speculate, maybe it’s not broken - is the body deliberately storing more energy in response to environmental signals. Signals that a long hard winter, or a severe famine are coming?

This theory is the basis of the book - Is obesity a sign of sustained preparation for a famine? Are hibernation signals triggering weight gain? Similar signals that trigger weight gain in many animals?

In ‘The Sacred Cow’ we learn why a free roaming Indian cow, well-fed and well cared for, is only half the size of the cows in the drizzly green fields of England. The explanation of how farmers can grow a herd to be bigger and fatter than their rivals herd by changing the type of feed and by using selective breeding techniques is then mischievously applied to human populations - with the same outcome. We visit a food court in Dubai and wonder why the local Emiratis are so much bigger than the other tribes eating the same food. We look at the Pacific Islanders and speculate how their marathon ocean migrations may have selected for those with fat genes. We see what happens to identical twins when they are adopted and raised in different environments - is their eventual size effected by their genes… or their environment?

‘The Biggest Losers’ takes a look at what happens to contestants from the extreme weight loss TV shows in the long term. Why do they have metabolisms that are 600kcal/day less than their former selves… even when they have regained all their weight? Why can two similar looking people have metabolisms that differ by the equivalent of a 10k run or a Big-Mac meal deal - every day? The observations seem to fit in with our theory that the body is on control of weight regulation and you can’t beat it by dieting - in fact you are encouraging even more weight gain, the calorie restriction giving distressing famine type stress signals

‘The Glutton’ describes what it is like to suffer from end-stage obesity. Why are severely obese people constantly hungry and tired? The chapter explains how, under normal circumstances, our gas-tank (the amount of fat we are carrying) is recognised by our brains. If we are carrying enough fat we will automatically eat less. Imagine what happens if the petrol gauge in our car is faulty and shows no gas when the tank is actually full? We stop at the nearest petrol station. In the same way, in leptin resistance, (the condition explaining run-away obesity), the message that too much fat is on board is not getting through, the result - constant ravenous hunger.

“The Master Chef’ take us on a journey through time. Explaining how humans could not have evolved a bigger brain, could never have become who we now are, without first using fire, and the cooking of food to our metabolic advantage. Food and cooking defines us as humans and once we grasp this then the story of our relationship with food - from the beginning of agriculture, to local markets, food merchants, the sugar story, and finally the industrialisation of food - seems like a natural progression. “The Fat Scientist’ explains why we have been told that natural saturated fats are bad for our health and unpicks the floored research into the diet-heart hypothesis - explaining away the so-called paradoxes of the French, the Maasai and the Inuit Eskimos, who all have high fat diets and low rates of obesity and heart disease.

‘The Omega Code’ compares the ancient diseases; beriberi and scurvy - diseases misunderstood for hundreds of years, and speculates whether a current deficiency could be a cause of obesity. Looking at the change in the food we eat, caused by the cholesterol scare - increased oils, grains and processed foods, it examines the effect these have on our levels of essential fats. The chapter describes how western populations have profound derangements of their omega-3:6 ratios. How the high omega-6 in western foods mimics the Autumn food that triggers pre-winter weight gain in many animals.

‘The Miracle Diet Book’ starts with a mischievous tip on how to make money by writing a diet book that will become briefly popular but will then be discarded, as dieters regain their weight… and then gain even more.

‘The Fat of the Land”, uses observations and examples from real patients in clinic to outline the times in life when weight gain is often triggered (leaving home, going to college, getting married, doing night shift and moving to a new country) and explains, in each case, why weight gain occurs.

Part Three of Why We Eat (Too Much) takes the reader through a simple stepped program to reset their weight to a healthier level, reinforcing the main themes of the book - why some people struggle and some are immune to obesity, how diets are counter-productive, the metabolic dangers of grains and vegetable oils, the detrimental effect of insulin on weight, how natural saturated fats are good for you and should not be avoided, cortisol / stress and weight gain and the importance of muscle health (but not going crazy in the gym). All these factors - when truly understood will mean that the reader will never have to go on another ‘miracle diet’ again.

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HappyDanishLowCarbCamper · 24/10/2024 09:45

Oh yes I use lots of butter and lard, and beef dripping!

I would just like to have one more source of oil for some things. I am wary of light olive oils simply because they're often sourced from several countries, more processed and also more opportunity for lesser quality oils (or even non-olive oils) to be added in on the production journey. But I may be being ever-so-slightly paranoid. 😉

I do use walnut oil for dressings in the summer.

At the end of the day I'm happy to have a small percentage of oil intake come from a source that may not be ideal for omega 3 vs. 6 balance, because the vast majority of my intake is skewed toward the good end of that spectrum, I just want that intake to be the healthiest option.

Thanks for looking into it!

BIWI · 24/10/2024 09:46

The Diet Doctor on vegetable oils

This is a good piece.

However, it's worth noting that there does seem to be a bit of controversy over this issue, especially when it comes to Omega-3/6, and inflammation. As they say at one point:

There’s no clear high-quality human evidence that vegetable oils are inflammatory, despite the many mechanistic studies suggesting they are.

Vegetable Oils: Are They Healthy? — Diet Doctor

Vegetable oils — those shiny modern elixirs — have seeped their way into all the nooks and crannies of our food supply. Are they healthy, and what happens when we eat them?

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetable-oils

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BIWI · 24/10/2024 09:51

And their conclusion:

Conclusion
At this point there’s still quite a bit we don’t know about vegetable oils. Consuming small amounts of vegetable oils might make sense for some of us, depending on lifestyle, food preferences, and other factors.
However, if your goals include eating less processed food — as ours do — the best course may be to avoid these newcomers and return to traditional dietary fat sources. Get your fats from whole foods, including avocados, oily fish, nuts, seeds, olive oil, traditional oils, butter, coconut oil and meats.

(Highlighting by me)

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Bootcamp272 · 24/10/2024 09:52

Oh I have just seen this! Haven’t read the full thread yet, but am I too late to join? 🤞🤞🤞 @FinallyHere

50by40 · 24/10/2024 10:01

Morning all. Had a cheeky mid week weigh in and scales moving in the right direction. Must keep up with the water 💧

B was FFGY with a dash of vanilla. Planning pret salmon salad for lunch and bolegnese for dinner (pasta for DH/DC). DC2s first session at nursery today for a few hours and expecting lots of tears, so planning on some meal prep during that time to distract myself

BIWI · 24/10/2024 10:04

You're very welcome @Bootcamp272

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Bootcamp272 · 24/10/2024 10:07

BIWI · 24/10/2024 10:04

You're very welcome @Bootcamp272

Thanks @BIWI ☺️ I did the last bootcamp and lost almost a stone ahead of my breast reduction. Put a bit back on after that with inactivity and recovery so raring to go again! So glad I saw this pop up in Active threads ❤️

HappyDanishLowCarbCamper · 24/10/2024 10:12

BIWI · 24/10/2024 09:51

And their conclusion:

Conclusion
At this point there’s still quite a bit we don’t know about vegetable oils. Consuming small amounts of vegetable oils might make sense for some of us, depending on lifestyle, food preferences, and other factors.
However, if your goals include eating less processed food — as ours do — the best course may be to avoid these newcomers and return to traditional dietary fat sources. Get your fats from whole foods, including avocados, oily fish, nuts, seeds, olive oil, traditional oils, butter, coconut oil and meats.

(Highlighting by me)

That's the same conclusion I'd already come to. Helpful to have it backed up but it doesn't really leave me with a definite answer. Heh. I guess some things just can't be known for certain!

I have to guard against all or nothing thinking so sometimes I think it's best to just leave a little room for manoeuvring.

Thanks @BIWI!

SpinningTops · 24/10/2024 10:20

Morning all. TMI but I seem to be having the opposite problem to constipation! Everything is very loose, maybe 3x a day.

When I've done bootcamp before everything tended towards constipation so this is new. And with heading away camping next week I hope it resolves itself soon!!

Is this just my body getting used to more fat?

I think my meals are ok, I start with FFGY with cream, have a salad with fats for lunch and then an evening meal of maybe meat with something like cauliflower cheese / roast aubergine etc or bolognese with courgetti.

FinallyHere · 24/10/2024 10:20

Bootcamp272 · 24/10/2024 09:52

Oh I have just seen this! Haven’t read the full thread yet, but am I too late to join? 🤞🤞🤞 @FinallyHere

I've made it so@Bootcamp272 welcome on board

In case anyone else is wavering, never too late for anyone to join, the sooner the better IMO. All are welcome. BIWI's bootcamp has made such a positive difference to my life, I'm a tad inclined to proselytize...

TheOnlyMrsW · 24/10/2024 10:43

3lb down this morning so halfway back to where I was on Monday, will koko and hope that I can move the rest before Monday and start again then!
We're at a friends for a get together tomorrow night and I'm bringing sides..........what can I pull together to go with pulled pork sandwiches (I'll obviously skip the buns) that is BC friendly and yummy? Not a huge fan of pork so wouldn't normally cook something like this for us.......

HappyDanishLowCarbCamper · 24/10/2024 10:44

Fried cabbage with fennel seed is nice with pork. Or you could make a winter slaw, or remoulade.

Bootcamp272 · 24/10/2024 11:14

Thanks @FinallyHere pleased to see I am 8.4 lbs down from the start of the last bootcamp!

Although I can’t take credit for all of that, I did have 1kg removed by the surgeon in August 😂

FinallyHere · 24/10/2024 11:15

have 1kg removed by the surgeon in August

Hope you have recovered ok @Bootcamp272

Take the wins however you can get them 😎

BIWI · 24/10/2024 11:37

@TheOnlyMrsW coleslaw? I think there's a recipe for that on the spreadsheet, as well as on the vegetarian recipe thread - I'll have a look

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somanylights · 24/10/2024 11:40

Thank you all re the seed oil info! @BIWI right, I definitely need to read that book, it sounds fascinating. @StuntNun you're absolutely right that if the vast majority of your food is fine re oils and fat, then some meals out using less than ideal fats aren't a problem. I think I may have a similar mindset to you @HappyDanishLowCarbCamper, so will try to remember your little room for manoeuvre advice!

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