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Jan 24 Dry Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 2

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BIWI · 08/01/2024 08:39

Morning all

I've started a new thread as the first one was taking so long to load (and also because I kept forgetting to change my Christmas name each time I posted!)

Here's the spreadsheet

@TheSoundofMusic23 you are definitely on it! I've put in your 8lb loss, as I can't see why that wouldn't have been a real loss, but feel free to change if you need to.

Great to hear that things are going well for you @MetabolicallyComplicated - especially re the bleeding.

January 2024 'Dry' Bootcamp

Weigh-In Sheet Original Start Date,Original Weight (lbs),Starting Weight (lbs) 1st Jan 24,8th Jan Week 2,15th Jan Week 3,22nd Jan Week 4,29th Jan Week 5,5th Feb KOKO,12th Feb KOKO,19th Feb KOKO,26th Feb KOKO,4th Mar KOKO,14th June,Weekly Loss,Total L...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MgQyl3RkGeDygLf3MsXiPo7-Ei_ISUlJObPELZ44-Vg/edit?fbclid=IwAR1PDVHLfneCKTM2JUPaMNEnU5PBFikDlkV3fVYzd1dPSJFYQ5Q-DedU-7o#gid=1892381976

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LC4life · 10/01/2024 22:24

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NotDonna · 10/01/2024 22:57

@prettybird is that just Halloumi, broccoli and capers or do you add anything else? How long roasted please? I definitely always have halloumi in the fridge and need to try different things with it.

Green yoghurt? Crispy chilli oil? I’m trying to decide if these are typos or something I need to try?@SamuelWhiskey Also, you could thinly slice your cabbage and sauté in butter and save for other days - I love it instead of noodles or spaghetti but actually add it to most things especially in this cold weather.

@LC4life yes you can get Raclette cheese here too. Our little cheese shop even sells an English version and it’s very lovely. We did raclette on Boxing Day but I never have the potatoes and do veg (tenderstem broc, green beans, peppers etc) which isn’t remotely traditional but veg we’ll all eat especially when covered in cheese!

prettybird · 10/01/2024 23:06

It's in the veggie recipe thread but from memory/what I use if I have it Wink

Large broccoli head, thickly sliced
Pack (or two) halloumi, thickly sliced

Spread out on a grill pan/large dish that you've lined with foil/teflon sheet/baking parchment. Preheat the grill to high

In a bowl, mix together:
50g capers
2 thinly sliced chillies (remove the seeds)
2 thinly sliced large shallots
Grated rind of one lemon
Some fresh oregano/marjoram leaves (I used half a teaspoon of dried oregano tonight)
60ml olive oil

Drizzle over the halloumi and broccoli.

Put in the middle shelf of oven for 25-30 minutes until slightly charred.

Squeeze lemon juice over and serve.

Redhothoochycoocher · 11/01/2024 06:15

Metabolicallycomplicated · 10/01/2024 18:33

Well I totally lost my voice today in front of 300 people including my boss and CEO Blush Sad

I made a joke about sounding like Dot Cotton’s butch sister but after about 20 minutes my voice got worse and worse and my boss had to come on stage and finish my presentation for me Sad. I’ve been looking forwards to it all week, it was a great opportunity to showcase the work myself and my awesome team have been doing and I feel like I’ve let them down.

Usually a crap day like this would mean a cheer up takeaway but I’ve got a tomato sauce reducing on the stove top and I’m making chicken breast pizza because I know a takeaway is just going to make me feel worse.

My boss was fine about it and ‘these things happen’ but I LOVE public speaking, and I only get the chance to address a crowd like that a couple of times a year if that. BAH!

Oh wow teach me your ways of loving public speaking! I've never heard anyone talk about it so fondly!

Sorry to hear about that though, so frustrating when something you're looking forward to doesn't come to fruition. Hope it doesn't last

Redhothoochycoocher · 11/01/2024 06:19

BIWI · 09/01/2024 10:42

I've just had a look at the Freshwell site and it looks great - especially as there's a (free) app to go with it, which I'm going to download.

It's free, which is always a bonus! The only thing they don't have is a forum/community, which is definitely where Bootcamp comes into its own @Redhothoochycoocher!

IMVHO it's the support here, and the regular, daily traffic on the thread that really helps people to maintain their commitment.

Yes it does look good doesn't it. I heard about it on here months ago and downloaded. Then finally actually looked at it a few weeks ago and thought I'd check here to see if there was a bootcamp I could join.

Metabolicallycomplicated · 11/01/2024 07:08

Redhothoochycoocher · 11/01/2024 06:15

Oh wow teach me your ways of loving public speaking! I've never heard anyone talk about it so fondly!

Sorry to hear about that though, so frustrating when something you're looking forward to doesn't come to fruition. Hope it doesn't last

I used to absolutely hate it, to the point where at collage once I fainted before a group presentation in front of about 10 people Blush

Then in my first job out of uni, I worked for a brilliant boss who told me I wouldn’t get far in my career if I couldn’t address a crowd (or at that time, even a room full of clients around a table), and set up a lunch time club where I had to stand in front of him and a few other people and basically talk about absolutely nothing in particular for 5 minutes each time. They would crack on and eat their lunch and I had to stand and talk at them. Gradually more people used to come into the meeting room and a few other people ‘presented’ and it became such a routine over the course of about 6 weeks that I stopped being nervous at all.

Then he encouraged me to prepare stuff to talk about and upped the time to 20 minutes. So I used to talk about internet rabbit holes I’d gone down that week like the great train robbery conspiracy or the rare house plant community or other just total nonsense that I found interesting. There was a whole 5 part series over the course of a week about inbreeding through the ages and the result of it Grin People would ask questions and it became second nature to be able to answer and think on my feet. Most of the office used to come to the talks by the end of it (it wasn’t just me presenting there were a few of us with the same issue). That went on for a good 6 months and by about 3 months in I’d started doing client presentations and actually really enjoyed the pressure of it. My boss would give me really constructive feedback and I got good at it.

I think usually you enjoy anything you’re good at, so because I’d learned how to engage a crowd and knew I was a confident speaker by that point I just really started finding my groove and now it’s probably my favourite part of my job. I am a manager myself now, and I do the exact same thing for anyone who passes through my team and has issues with public speaking.

TL;DR: hurray for excellent bosses!

RooRooCooChoo · 11/01/2024 07:37

Stuck to yesterday's plan but it is not the weather to exist purely on cold food. Can't wait to get home this evening for a good warm feed!

Plan for today is
L: chicken thighs w mayo and Greek salad
D: (home sweet home!) Steak, sautéed cabbage with goose fat, roasted tomatoes

Metabolicallycomplicated · 11/01/2024 08:03

Morning campers, busy day today but I’m planning ahead:

B: 16:8, I’ve ditched the clear whey protein powder because I’m finding I don’t need it to stave off hunger anymore now I’m in ketosis proper. It was a good tool for getting through the first week though.

L: dehydrated continental meat crisps (you heard) dipped in whipped feta like a low carb version of posh crisps and dips Grin I’m all over the place around lunch time today so I thought something I don’t need to be in one place to eat and I can eat in fits and starts over a couple of hours would be best.

D: Left over mousakka from the other day and salad

Yesterdays food:

B: 16:8
L: left over prawn stir fry
D: chicken breast pizza (which was yummy, like a chicken parm without breadcrumbs!). I meant to have this with salad, but I was knackered and not hungry so just added spinach to the pizza in the end.

I’ve checked my weight daily, and for 4 days now I’ve weighed exactly 20st 1lb Confused. Absolutely zero movement whatsoever so I’m glad I’ve got the happy scales app because at least I can see that the moving average has come down over that time. Usually, my weight will go down, then up a bit, then down a bit more so having an exactly stable 4 days is unheard of. Hoping for a whoosh before Monday, but if not I’m ok with staying still as long as I’m not going up. I can’t lie though that seeing a 19 on the scales would be awesome this week. Trying not to get too focused on that.

cathyandclaire · 11/01/2024 08:19

I've been going lower and lower carb to try and get even a tinge of pink on the ketostix, to no avail. Tried a new pot of sticks and ....totally purple.

That'll be why Biwi says not to bother with ketostix ( especially old, cheap versions off Amazon!)

Very eggy day:

Brunch- spinach, pepper and cheese omelette and salad
Snack- crunchy cheese
Supper- snickerdoodle crepes ( egg and cream cheese)

LowCarbingIn2024 · 11/01/2024 08:20

I had a big fat failure yesterday 😭😭😭😭😭
(And the "fat" above is me 😢)

I've been doing so, so, so well. And there's been soooooo much stuff around at work which I haven't touched.
But I was so cold yesterday aft, and that's what makes me reach for the bad stuff.
The stupid thing was, I'd been craving all morning and managed not to weaken, and this was when I was full from a very decent lunch (leftover tarragon chicken in a cream sauce w leeks and broccoli. So a REALLY decent lunch). I had 2 squares of lindt 70% (lite compliant, but not strict bootcamp) but then I ate 5 (5!!!!!) dark chocolate hobnobs.

Even worse, the traffic was terrible and I was 25 minutes late from my aerobic class (where I was planning to work at least some of it off) and - of course - they couldn't let me in.
I'll KOKO, but I'm gutted, and if I don't lose this week, that'll be why 😭😭😭

Metabolicallycomplicated · 11/01/2024 08:47

cathyandclaire · 11/01/2024 08:19

I've been going lower and lower carb to try and get even a tinge of pink on the ketostix, to no avail. Tried a new pot of sticks and ....totally purple.

That'll be why Biwi says not to bother with ketostix ( especially old, cheap versions off Amazon!)

Very eggy day:

Brunch- spinach, pepper and cheese omelette and salad
Snack- crunchy cheese
Supper- snickerdoodle crepes ( egg and cream cheese)

I used to be obsessed with ketostix until I realised you can tell when you’re in ketosis by how you feel! For me, it’s the sudden complete lack of hunger that’s my tell tale sign I’ve dropped in, but I know for a friend of mine she knows because she had one night where she doesn’t sleep at all and is just completely wired the whole time. Then it settles for her and she feels great.

I do think ketostix are useful if you’re reintroducing a few carbs when you’re maintaining your weight and you want to stay in ketosis but not so much in the early stages.

Metabolicallycomplicated · 11/01/2024 09:00

LowCarbingIn2024 · 11/01/2024 08:20

I had a big fat failure yesterday 😭😭😭😭😭
(And the "fat" above is me 😢)

I've been doing so, so, so well. And there's been soooooo much stuff around at work which I haven't touched.
But I was so cold yesterday aft, and that's what makes me reach for the bad stuff.
The stupid thing was, I'd been craving all morning and managed not to weaken, and this was when I was full from a very decent lunch (leftover tarragon chicken in a cream sauce w leeks and broccoli. So a REALLY decent lunch). I had 2 squares of lindt 70% (lite compliant, but not strict bootcamp) but then I ate 5 (5!!!!!) dark chocolate hobnobs.

Even worse, the traffic was terrible and I was 25 minutes late from my aerobic class (where I was planning to work at least some of it off) and - of course - they couldn't let me in.
I'll KOKO, but I'm gutted, and if I don't lose this week, that'll be why 😭😭😭

Don’t panic, you’ve probably knocked yourself out of ketosis but it doesn’t mean you won’t lose anything! As long as you get back to it today and have a good low carb day, you’ll knock yourself back into ketosis much faster than the first time and it will be like it never happened.

It’s not the biscuits that are the problem though, the problem is if you’re anything like me you’ll be thinking ‘fuck it, I’ve ruined it now so might as well eat what I like and get back on the wagon on Monday’ - don’t do this, that’s how you end up gaining weight, it’s not the initial 5 biscuits which in reality won’t have a huge material impact as long as you get back on track today.

poorbuthappy · 11/01/2024 09:04

@Metabolicallycomplicated your comment about not sleeping is very interesting.
I could not sleep on Tuesday night.
I'd been in the office all day. Had been up since 5.30 and started hockey training (after 30 years). I was so ready for a tremendous nights sleep. And no. Didn't happen.

NotDonna · 11/01/2024 09:05

Yes don’t beat yourself up @LowCarbingIn2024 dust yourself down and crack on. You’ve done brilliantly avoiding temptation given there’s been baddies around at work. (I refuse to call them goodies). You can do this because you have been. It’s a blip, move on. Maybe think ‘why’ it happened to avoid in the future. You’ve got this! Koko!!

Enchanted82 · 11/01/2024 09:19

@NotDonna I regularly cook this- a recipe from Donna Hay ( have shallots instead of onions!) it’s delicious

Jan 24 Dry Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 2
Jan 24 Dry Low Carb Bootcamp - Week 2
Metabolicallycomplicated · 11/01/2024 09:19

poorbuthappy · 11/01/2024 09:04

@Metabolicallycomplicated your comment about not sleeping is very interesting.
I could not sleep on Tuesday night.
I'd been in the office all day. Had been up since 5.30 and started hockey training (after 30 years). I was so ready for a tremendous nights sleep. And no. Didn't happen.

Apparently it’s a survival response to potential starvation - so because you’ve run out of freely accessible sugars for energy, your body keeps you awake with your final stores of glycogen so you go out and find more food before it flips you in to ketosis. You also sometimes get s massive boost of energy during the day as your body gives you the final stores all at once rather than rationed to help you hunt :)

BIWI · 11/01/2024 09:20

It seems timely to post this piece, from Zoe Harcombe's 'Back to Basics' plan (which started on 1 Jan, just like this Bootcamp). Every day she posts a motivational piece, and this one is especially relevant:

How to overcome the ‘sod-it’ mentality

It’s easy to give up. It’s easier to give up things than to stick with things – but what does that achieve? Nothing!
There are many wise sayings about this topic…
“There’s no gain without pain”;
“You get out of things what you put into them”;
“You reap what you sow”…

… and so on. Sayings become folk lore because they are true. Making a commitment to real food and working to overcome the cravings for fake food is going to take some work. There will be times when all you want to do is to give in – but you have to remember that’s the addict talking. Unless you want to stay an addict for life, you have to overcome addiction. And you have to do it sometime – so do it now!

It will be tough to start with, but it does get easier by the day. And the rewards of being natural weight, healthy, full of energy, enjoying great food are immense! Hang on to those rewards – that’s worth the effort that you’re putting in at the moment. Here are our top tips on overcoming any inclination that you have to give up…

The scenario that we need to address is when someone is disappointed with their progress and this can lead to the ‘sod it’ reaction: “if I’m not losing, I may as well eat whatever I want”… You know how it goes. I used to suffer from this badly myself.

As we discussed yesterday, expectations are crucial in the weighing game. If you are not losing as much as you expect to, but you are still losing, this is an expectation issue. You just have to remind yourself of the fact that the 2lb a week promise is a complete myth and always has been. I weigh 110lb. The 2lb a week promise says that I could cut back by 1,000 calories a day and then, allegedly, I would weigh 6lb in a year’s time! (Actually, because the 2lb is supposed to be fat loss, let alone weight loss – I would actually be minus 10lb at the end of the year). It really is this daft.

If you are losing weight – not even every week necessarily, but chipping away at your weight loss, rethinking your expectations will make you much happier and less likely to give up. One of the key things to put in the forefront of your mind is – a pound lost on The Harcombe Diet® is a pound that can be lost for good. Because you haven’t eaten less, you haven’t slowed your metabolism or reset your equilibrium at a lower level and there is no need for that weight to be regained (provided that you don’t go back to a diet of processed food of course).

Develop a ‘chipping away’ mentality – if you keep losing, even a pound here and there – and then maintain and then lose a bit more – you are on a steady downwards trend and will achieve long lasting results.
Let’s now hold the ‘sod it’ mentality up to the mirror and see it for what it is. The ‘sod it’ mentality is never, ever helpful – in any circumstance. It takes you back to being the food addict that you were. You need to remember (especially in the early days of The Harcombe Diet®) that you will still be looking for excuses to go back to your ‘fix’ and that’s what this reaction is – your mind playing games to drive you back to the biscuits, cakes and sweets that you are likely still craving – to get you back on the drugs.

Why ‘sod-it’ really isn’t worth it
^^
You have every right to feel the ‘sod it’ mentality. It makes complete sense. But you have to choose NOT to go down that route and here are three reasons why:

1) You will gain weight.
‘Sod it’ is not something you can do for even one day, let alone a few days, and not suffer serious consequences. Disappointed as you are that the scales are not showing a loss, how much more upset would you be if they showed a gain? And show a gain they will. You could easily gain as much as 5-6lb in one day (yesterdays’ information on glycogen explained how) and you then have even more to lose than you had before the binge.

2) You will feel terrible.
Having been off processed food for a period of time, going back to it may feel enjoyable for the first mouthful (maybe not even then – usually the relief is really truly the only OK feeling). The actual food consumption usually starts feeling terrible as soon as it starts. You hate yourself, you become a food stuffing zombie, you feel sick, you bloat – it really is anything but fun.

3) You will reawaken cravings.
If you have avoided processed food for several weeks, even months, you will probably get away with a slip day slightly more easily than someone who slips after just a few days or weeks. The sooner you slip, the more likely you are to be still addicted to certain foods and still have the conditions to overcome and the more likely that a slip is going to have consequences.

To get the taste for flour and sugar soon after having given it up is too risky. The body is highly likely to continue to want more of this stuff. So, you may have your ‘sod it’ day and the body thinks “great – we’re back to the processed stuff that gives me sugar highs and feeds my parasite” and the body doesn’t want to turn back.

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prettybird · 11/01/2024 10:18

@Enchanted82 - that's the recipe I wrote from memory last night Grin

It is indeed delicious Smile

but better with halloumi than Cheshire or feta cheese Wink

I keep home grown chillis in the freezer so that helps ensure I have all the ingredients to hand (except the fresh oregano)

BonnieBairn · 11/01/2024 10:19

The information about going into ketosis and not sleeping is interesting. I suffer chronic insomnia but on Tuesday night I didn't sleep a wink. I still feel hungry though so would that suggest I'm not in ketosis? I can ignore the hunger ok because it seems once I start eating I can't stop so I'm IF to try and get control of the number of hours I spend eating.
I'm trying very hard not to just 'sod it' as the info above that BIWI put up is so true and I really want to retrain my brain.

prettybird · 11/01/2024 10:20

Re keto sticks: another reason why we don't recommend them is that if you're drinking all the water, then they won't really react anyway ShockConfused

BIWI · 11/01/2024 10:32

I'm still waiting for my sleep to improve Hmm

Scales are going in the right direction - hurrah - and I've been alcohol-free for 10 days now. Surely it must happen for me soon?!

Please don't tell me it's just always like this with the menopause otherwise I might as well go back to drinking vats of gin

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SamuelWhiskey · 11/01/2024 10:32

@NotDonna ah whoops 'green yoghurt' is very much a typo for greek yogurt. Crispy chilli oil is very much a thing though! Chilli flakes deep fried I think in oil - it's delicious. Mine was made by a friend but you can buy it (although you'd have to watch out for hidden sugar I guess).

Thanks for the cabbage tip! Sounds great

LowCarbingIn2024 · 11/01/2024 10:33

Thank you @Metabolicallycomplicated @NotDonna and @BIWI
Definitely not going to give in to sod it.
Definitely back in the zone today. Wearing my warmest jumper and positively welcoming the cravings.
Cravings ignored = winning!

Onwards and hopefully downwards.

Thank you all 😊

Metabolicallycomplicated · 11/01/2024 10:46

I’ve just made a new batch of whipped feta. This time I’ve whipped it with mostly cream and only a little bit of yoghurt, then added garlic, lemon, chilli and black pepper as this batch is going to be used as a dip and oh my lord it’s like the best hummus replacement ever. I’m going to dip all the things in it. All of them.

I was a bit peckish this morning so instead of 16:8 I’ve had a cream coffee.

Ive decided that every time I enter a new stone bracket on the scale I’m going to treat myself to a new house plant. Previously I’ve bought clothes for myself but this time I’m going to take time out of my day, go to a fabulous rare plant shop in Manchester and spend some lovely alone time browsing and picking something lovely for myself. Fingers crossed for a whoosh after my 4 day stall and I could even go next week!

NotDonna · 11/01/2024 10:49

@Enchanted82 ❤️ Donna Hay and have several of her recipe books but not the one with the Halloumi broccoli in - thank you & ill definitely be adding this to my repertoire.