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Week 3 - Jan '21 Low Carb Bootcamp - time for Light?

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BIWI · 31/01/2021 11:40

Well thanks to all the chat, I've had to start this week's thread earlier than usual Grin

Here's the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness for you to declare all

You now have a choice: you can move on to Bootcamp Light, which means you can re-introduce nuts and seeds, some fruit and alcohol - all in moderation.

However, also bear in mind that weeks 3 & 4 are notorious for little or not weight loss and this is nothing to do with moving on to Bootcamp Light. It's just something that seems to happen.

So it's up to you. You can stay on Bootcamp if you wish, or move on to Bootcamp Light, or a hybrid - so you do Bootcamp during the week but relax into Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

Whatever you decide - good luck! Here's to a good week ahead.

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Motivateinmotion · 03/02/2021 09:50

Flowers @ChristMyArse

Well done @cheeseisthebest that’s a fantastic loss!

Plan for today
B- buttery egg Mayo and half avocado on a slice of low carb bread
L- moussaka and salad dressed in oil
D- Greek yoghurt and cream

I’m trying IF but with 3 meals and as my last meal is late want something easy to ‘snack on’. Also upping salts today as my thighs keep cramping and feeling stiff and as I don’t exercise it’s not that

Mixitupalot · 03/02/2021 09:50

@StuntNun yes I think I’ll have to do that, it’s just it’s my favourite thing to eat atm, so i feel sorry for myself lol

@NisekoWhistler oh dear that’s very thoughtful of her but I find that if it’s in the house it’s hard to ignore it. If you really want to start, it’s a total new though process to food. I’ve dumped food gifts in the past or gifted them to my parents. Because I couldn’t trust myself not to binge. I once ate 8 Marsbar squares for lunch & then had another 6 for dinner 😳 so lesson learned here.

StuntNun · 03/02/2021 09:53

NisekoWhistler I'm a daily weigher so I picture how I'm going to feel the next morning when I weigh in. Another option is to make yourself a low carb snack or treat as an alternative. I have a low carb chocolate mousse recipe for when I fancy a treat, or greek yogurt with double cream and raspberries and a little dark chocolate grated on top is a lush but low carb dessert. I have tried fat bombs in the past but they're too moreish for me so I don't make them any more.

Oneborneverydecade · 03/02/2021 09:59

I understand @StuntNun but this suggested to me that @LostaraYil was considering omad:

'sometimes don't have lunch till about 2pm, so could probably stretch that till dinner'

Maybe I misread it

nowlook · 03/02/2021 10:01

@NisekoWhistler for me, it's about recognising the cognitive dissonance. You have conflicting thoughts/emotions about eating the brownies. You want to follow this WoE to lose weight/inches and you also want the brownies. If you take a few moments to register the internal discomfort for what it is, you're more likely to make the choice you actually want to make.

And it that sounds too silly, the philosopher Kate Moss opined: "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" Grin

Seriously, the cognitive dissonance is where it's at. I haven't had an alcoholic drink since New Year's Eve because of it.

Ratherchillyinhere · 03/02/2021 10:07

I've found it really difficult to stick to low carb this time. I think its partly WFH which means I have the time to cook (roast chicken with FLGV for lunch yesterday between teaching!) which is great but also just having access to tea really.

I've not eating anything I shouldn't - it's mainly drinking tea 🙈

Still, I'm 8lbs down from 11th Jan so that's good. Only another 12lb to go really.

I want to get down to 9st 12 and then re-evaluate. I'd ideally like to be 9 and a half but I'll see what I actually look like when I get there and make a decision on the next 5lbs then.

Ratherchillyinhere · 03/02/2021 10:09

And it that sounds too silly, the philosopher Kate Moss opined: "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels"

Tbf, loads of things taste better than skinny feels! Grin

But I want to be rid of the wobble...

So I shall stick with it...

Ratherchillyinhere · 03/02/2021 10:10

And, tbf, we can eat most of them doing this WOE!

It's just the cups of tea I need to crack...

Ninkanink · 03/02/2021 10:15

@Oneborneverydecade

I understand *@StuntNun but this suggested to me that @LostaraYil* was considering omad:

'sometimes don't have lunch till about 2pm, so could probably stretch that till dinner'

Maybe I misread it

On a fast day that’s absolutely fine. It’s not great if you do it every day.
Lyrata · 03/02/2021 10:16

@nowlook Yes, I love that point around cognitive dissonance. I think saying to yourself ‘I want this brownie and I am not allowed to have it’ makes you feel grumpy and like you want to rebel. But saying ‘I want to lose weight so while I crave this brownie I choose not to have it’ gets rid of that uncomfortable feeling.

I’ve also read that just acknowledging your actions in general helps. ‘I am going to the fridge, I am eating cheese again...’ It makes you face up to the fact that yes, it is you making the bad decisions that made you gain weight and not some evil fairy or trick or stroke of bad, unexplainable luck.

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 03/02/2021 10:22

[quote nowlook]@NisekoWhistler for me, it's about recognising the cognitive dissonance. You have conflicting thoughts/emotions about eating the brownies. You want to follow this WoE to lose weight/inches and you also want the brownies. If you take a few moments to register the internal discomfort for what it is, you're more likely to make the choice you actually want to make.

And it that sounds too silly, the philosopher Kate Moss opined: "Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels" Grin

Seriously, the cognitive dissonance is where it's at. I haven't had an alcoholic drink since New Year's Eve because of it.[/quote]
Very well put @nowlook

Whenever I crave alcohol or chocolate, I imagine eating/drinking it, & how I'll physically feel.

It's never as good as I think it's going to be!

Dailyhandtowelwash · 03/02/2021 10:24

Quick question, are we allowed 85% chocolate at this point? I have some hot chocolate flakes that qualify and was thinking of trying them with some yoghurt.

When I had GD, sweet things and carby foods became the enemy, because I was determined to keep my sugars under control so I could have a home birth (despite constant attempts by my consultant to make me eat carbs at every meal). I've never really gone back into comfort food mentality, which is incredibly helpful. I've eaten them since, but only in small amounts.

StuntNun · 03/02/2021 10:31

MilesJupp yes quite. Once you've broken the addiction then half the appeal is lost. I gave up smoking over 20 years ago then about ten years ago somebody handed me a lit cigarette at a party. I had a drag of it but it didn't do anything for me because I wasn't addicted any more. The same is true of this Way of Eating. I vividly remember going into a Costa when I was a few months in, glancing over the display of pastries and my first reaction was, "there's no food here." Now I could quite happily sit next to a pile of sweets and biscuits and not even be tempted. They're not food to me any more. Now if it was a plate of pork belly then that would be a whole different story! Grin

DailyHandTowelWash any dark chocolate over 70% cocoa solids is allowed on Bootcamp Light but only in small quantities, no more than 20 g in a day. I personally find 70% too difficult to resist but 85% satisfies me with a square or two. Sainsburys sell an 85% chocolate that's individually wrapped in 25g bars which is good as there's a psychological barrier to opening a second bar which isn't there when you have a full-size bar.

Jollyholibobs · 03/02/2021 10:41

@cheeseisthebest Fantastic whoosh.
@NisekoWhistler Brownies straight in the freezer. Re what to say when tempted. This WOE helps to reprogramme you tastes so hopefully they will not be so tempting soon. Also it’s I find it’s helpful to say to myself that I am choosing to eat healthier for the scale and the non scale benefits- better health now and better health future. That I can have the brownies but I am choosing not to. Also look for opportunities to give them away. It helps me to feel I am making a positive choice rather than that I am depriving my self. Doesn’t always work but it helps.

NotwatchingSpooks · 03/02/2021 10:54

Christmyarse glad your feeling more positive this morning, that is a lot to deal with, it’s good that you can share it with us.

It’s really wet and miserable weather here today, still onwards.

Today
B Greek yogurt with teaspoon double cream
L veg soup
D beef casserole

1 and half coffees, Teapigs & water

prettybird · 03/02/2021 10:58

I try to eat mindfully: so I could eat the brownie but I'm choosing not to. I make 2 loaves of sourdough bread on a weekly (or more Shock) basis - one for dh or my dad, the other for random friends/neighbours/SIL. I no longer need to try it as I know what it tastes like - I'll just have a look at the crumb to critique it.

Ditto with the chocolate chip cookies that I make regularly for ds.

Now, if I'm in France those were the days Sad, I'll allow myself a réligieuse au café from a patisserie as I can't get the equivalent here - and I'd eat it mindfully Smile

But then, I'm a moderator (as long as it's brief) rather than an abstainer Smile

cheeseisthebest · 03/02/2021 11:08

My 13 year old daughter loves to bake and made her lovely chocolate brownie cake at the weekend, super gooey and delicious. I very nearly had some, but I stopped myself. I knew it would sabotage me, I knew it wouldnt be worth it. For me this is a massive achievement.

BIWI · 03/02/2021 11:15

Another megapost! Here goes:

@anewdispensation

Is anyone else exercising and finding that working out is making them more hungry? This is the 1st time I am combining this WOE with working out and I find I get hungry after my workout even after eating my fats and proteins and drank my 3.5L of water... how do I combat this and why do you reckon this is happening... I don't want to jeopardise my progress and I am mainly working out for the mental health benefits

This is exactly why exercise isn't especially beneficial when it comes to weight loss! Your body is trying to reach a state of homeostasis, i.e. keeping everything in equilibrium. It's trying to replace the extra calories that you've burnt.

Hence the saying 'you can't outrun your fork'!

As we always say on this WOE, if you're hungry, then eat! (As long as it's low carb, obviously Smile)

@RagzReturnsRebooted

t occurred to me earlier (after seeing the excellent Butter Chicken recipe posted) that I really need a way to save recipes I see online, rather than hoping I will remember

You haven't forgotten about the recipe threads, have you? Although that app sounds great, don't forget that recipes posted here should also be on the recipe thread

although this is a great reminder/plea to everyone to remember that if they post a recipe on the chat thread, to also go and post it on the relevant recipe thread!. TIA.

@Mixitupalot

I’ve been so lazy this bootcamp, I’ve literally not moved off the sofa. Last time I was walking 15/20k a day & running. Cannot be arsed, Anyone else the same?

Yup. I did get back into running in the summer, but just can't galvanise myself when the weather is so bad. Also, around here all the park paths are so muddy because there are so many people that it's actually dangerous to run on them. So I've ended up just walking round the streets, which is nothing like as enjoyable. And also, the last time I did go to the park, there were so many people there, in groups of 4 or more, with no social distancing, I got quite panicky and actually abandoned my walk. I'm so envious of those of you who live near beaches!

@ChristMyArse I think we all have days where, for some reason, we're extra hungry. But were you hungry, or were you eating because it was there?!

Cauda equina 3 times sounds bloody unlucky, as well as painful Flowers

Sorry to hear you weren't feeling well @Jollyholibobs - hope you're feeling better today

@ouchmyfeet

Well I went down to 4litres of water yesterday and felt better but put on a pound overnight (despite decent food choices) so I'm going to try 4.5 litres today and make sure I drink plenty of salty broth

I know it's not as simple as less water equals weight on, but it's the only thing I changed. And it's week 3 etc

But more water today and I'll see how it goes

Looking at the spreadsheet, I can see that since you started, at the beginning of this Bootcamp (i.e. not before the official start) you have lost almost a stone!

I wouldn't faff about changing things, but just accept that this is week three. It's clearly working for you, so there's no need to change anything. The only thing I would suggest is that you really focus on your electrolytes - have you got hold of a supplement as I think you'd really benefit from one. Get some of this or alternatively make your own - @prettybird makes hers with salt and lemon juice (although I can't remember the quantities)

Don't drop the water, as it's really important. It's more important that you get the electrolytes, and especially salt - have you tried @StuntNun's test - putting some salt directly on your tongue. If it tastes nice, rather than too salty, then you're probably low in sodium.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch it was learning about the benefits of low carbing, beyond weight loss, that have kept me (mostly!) a low carber for years now.

If anyone else hasn't had a read of the resources on the spreadsheet, or other books/websites about low carbing, I highly recommend that you do

A high carb diet is associated with, among other things:

  • hypertension
  • obesity
  • diabetes
  • Alzheimers Disease (sometimes now also called type 3 diabetes)
  • cancer

There are lots of 'smaller' benefits too, as many have reported on this and other threads, e.g. better focus/mental clarity, improved skin, no IBS, etc.

@cheeseisthebest 3lbs is definitely a whoosh! As we always say, weight loss isn't linear - in fact, it's positively lumpy! It's not unusual to see a sudden 3lb drop.

@NisekoWhistler

I'm all set to start and then just got a message that my friend has sent me some brownies in the post, grr. I should be grateful but I know they're going to be winking at me. I am going to try my very best to be really good and put them straight in the freezer

Don't try, do! As soon as they arrive, put them in the freezer. Or give them away to someone else.

When you do have moments of weakness, what do you say to yourself to remind yourself to stay away from bad food?

Well, firstly I try to make sure there's none of it in the house! For me, if I'm going to cheat, it's not 'big' stuff - i.e. I won't make myself a plate of pasta, or order rice with my takeaway curry. But I might, on occasion, have a small amount. But I do it from a bigger perspective - what else have I eaten that day? Can I 'afford' more carbs? If I can, and I know it's worth it, then I might have one potato, or one spoonful of rice, or tear off a piece of naan bread. But you have to do that knowing full well that there might be an impact on the scales the next day (or even two), and - as StuntNun says, thinking about how that's going to make me feel.

One important thing to point out is that this kind of judgement can go very seriously awry when alcohol is involved! It's much easier to tell yourself that the rice/naan/poppadom is allowable if you've had a glass or three of wine! So be careful of that.

When I first started my own Bootcamp journey, and I lost 2 stones, I did it very slowly because I recognised that the weekends were the hardest time for me, and so I wasn't going to deprive myself too much. It meant that it took me well over 6 months to lose the weight - but that was an approach that worked for me. I could have Bootcamped strictly 7 days out of 7 and lost the weight much more quickly - but that didn't fit into my lifestyle.

Ultimately you have to accept that it's your 'journey' (sorry for the cliché) and that you're in charge of it - so you make your food decisions accordingly.

@Motivateinmotion

B- buttery egg Mayo and half avocado on a slice of low carb bread
L- moussaka and salad dressed in oil
D- Greek yoghurt and cream

Where's your veg?! At the very least, put some fruit on your yoghurt.

I’m trying IF but with 3 meals and as my last meal is late want something easy to ‘snack on’. Also upping salts today as my thighs keep cramping and feeling stiff and as I don’t exercise it’s not that

Remember, you don't have to introduce fasting. But even if you are having 2 meals + a snack, you do need to up the veg/salad (or fruit) to make sure you're getting proper nutrition.

Are you using an electrolyte supplement? That should help - I believe it's magnesium - or lack of - that causes cramps, so if you're using an electrolyte supplement that should help. From the point of view of food, adding more green, leafy veg should help, as well as nuts/seeds - you could add some to your yoghurt, perhaps? (Just be careful which ones - read the carb counts first!)

@Ratherchillyinhere

If you've lost 8lbs, then it's obviously working for you! As with my post above, you have to work this around your lifestyle and make it work for you. This should be a way of eating much more than a diet of deprivation.

@MilesJuppIsMyBitch

It's never as good as I think it's going to be!

This is so true! There's nothing worse than cheating and then finding you haven't enjoyed it. Save your cheating moments - if you have to have any - for things you know will be worth it.

@Dailyhandtowelwash yes, you can have the chocolate flakes. Certainly 85% cocoa should be OK, and if they're flakes I can't imagine you'll be eating that much!

Well done resisting @cheeseisthebest! Having just had your whoosh it would have been a terrible shame to sabotage that. Flowers

Off for another black coffee now ...

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Ratherchillyinhere · 03/02/2021 11:29

If you've lost 8lbs, then it's obviously working for you! As with my post above, you have to work this around your lifestyle and make it work for you. This should be a way of eating much more than a diet of deprivation.

Thanks. Yep, that's the way I'm looking at it.

I'd rather cut carbs out of food and drink tea if I'm honest! I have cut down a bit though...

But I only drink hot drinks at home and never at work so WFH is proving to be a bit of a challenge! Grin

Hopeislost · 03/02/2021 11:48

@NisekoWhistler If you do decide to freeze the brownies, wrap or bag them individually (or even cut into halves first if they are big) so that you're not faced with having to defrost them all when you do decide to eat them.

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 03/02/2021 11:52

BIWI, help! I've gained 2.5 pounds since Monday, which means I've almost back to my Christmas weight.

I'd dropped down to two meals a day, plus creamy coffees, to try and shift the last few pounds, and I've gained instead. Is it possible I'm not eating enough? Some examples of what I've been eating:

Yesterday:
B - two creamy coffees
L - chicken mayo with spinach leaves with olive oil and salt on them
D - mussels, king prawns and scallops in garlic butter with asparagus and courgette, also cooked in butter. 1 low carb roll with butter.
3 litres of water

Monday:
B - two creamy coffees
L - two thick slices of ham topped with buttery spinach and two boiled eggs
D: lower carb chilli (20% fat mince, shallots instead of onions and no kidney beans), served with guacamole, sour cream and grated cheddar.
3 litres of water.

Sunday:
B: creamy coffees x 3
L: can't remember, but think I grazed on cheese and cooked meats. No veg, I don't think.
D: roast chicken, mostly thigh, with creamy leeks, broccoli and green beans, and some crispy cheese and courgette bites
3 litres of water.

Looking at that it seems like plenty of food though.

I could give up the cream in my coffee, and have it black, but I find it more comforting with cream, and quite honestly I feel in need of comfort atm.

It could be a hormonal blip? I'm have a Mirena coil, so don't get periods and as I result I never really know where in my cycle I am. I have been very down and irritable the past couple of days though.

Please advise, I'm panicking.

ChristMyArse · 03/02/2021 11:53

If you like your tea sweet usually I have a recommendation for you.

As you know I have been methodically working through all known teas on the planet... here are the ones that I've tried since the teapigs review

Twining Dark Caramel.. this just arrived in today shop. It's 0 carb and is actually quite sweet and it tastes good too.. a revelation!!

Twining camomile and honey.. again 0 carbs and has a mellow pleasant taste

Pukka camomile, vanilla and honey. Again not bad but I prefer it with out the twining ones.

I have stocked up and have to try twining:
Ginger
Mango and coconut
Lemon and ginger

I shall report back!
Grin

Ratherchillyinhere · 03/02/2021 12:20

Fortunately, I don't take sugar in my tea. I'm not keen on herbal teas either but lemon and ginger sounds nice!

BIWI · 03/02/2021 12:24

@GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal

I think a) it could be nothing more than a fluctuation

or

b) you're eating/drinking too much dairy!

Try cutting back on the cream/cheese and see what happens. You also didn't say how much water you're drinking - that could be a factor too.

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GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 03/02/2021 12:28

Yes I did! 3 litres a day.