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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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Frty · 22/01/2021 14:24

Thanks @BIWI, will have a listen to the M Mosley podcast.

Frty · 22/01/2021 14:26

Oooooh, if I put @Name, das it go bold without the *?

Frty · 22/01/2021 14:26

Yes, it does! Learned something today.

Eggy18 · 22/01/2021 14:30

Thanks @oscarandelliesdad! It's my first day today and it hasn't been that hard so far

ShagMeRiggins · 22/01/2021 14:37

@Frty

Oooooh, if I put *@Name, das it go bold without the ?
It does, and it also sends an email to the poster you’ve highlighted. Some people have it turned off (you can change it in Settings) and some people keep it On but get irate when you use it to use the mumsnet Batsignal.

Honestly, I don’t know what that’s all about.

“I’ve put settings so you can @ me (make sure I see it), but don’t do it because it annoys me and I’m following the thread anyway.” Confused

Lyrata · 22/01/2021 14:39

Thanks @DataColour - I have made a note of that one. I don’t normally like tuna - it’s my least favourite fish - but something about tuna curry piques my interest. I think - tragically - it sounds like holiday food and as holidays are thin on the ground I’m drawn to it as an alternative!

Frty · 22/01/2021 14:41

Thanks ShagMeRiggins - certainly don't want to ping people! Argh. Back to the bold.

prettybird · 22/01/2021 14:45

I often bold by using the @ to get the name up (especially long ones Wink) and then replace the @ with a * and put another one at the end of the name. Quicker than typing the long/complicated names Grin

ShagMeRiggins · 22/01/2021 14:45

@Frty

Thanks ShagMeRiggins - certainly don't want to ping people! Argh. Back to the bold.
No, it’s fine! My thought is that those who allow the email notifications for being @‘d can’t really complain about being @‘d.

Honestly, sorts yourselves out, users. We can’t know the preferences of millions of Mumsnetters. Hmm

For the record, I’m okay with being @‘d but it doesn’t ensure a reply as I rarely check my emails. What can I say? Mwah.

Margaritawithlime · 22/01/2021 15:17

Has anyone got any absolutely fool proof methods for celeriac chips??

BIWI · 22/01/2021 15:20

@Eggy18

Hi all,

I am new to the low carb thing! I am desperate to lose all the pregnancy weight. I read the thread yesterday and got lots of great ideas for meals, I'll try to stick to it! Wish me luck!

Welcome! If you think you're going to have problems, post here and ask for help/advice.
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BIWI · 22/01/2021 15:22

@Margaritawithlime

Has anyone got any absolutely fool proof methods for celeriac chips??
I've done it two ways - the simplest is just to cut the celeriac into chips (after you've peeled it) and then roast them in the oven with lots of olive oil (and seasoning). Alternatively, I sometimes blanch them first for a few minutes, and then roast them.

The trick with either method is to give them quite a long time in the oven. They won't go crispy like potato chips would, but they do go nice and brown and sort-of chewy!

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Margaritawithlime · 22/01/2021 15:26

@BIWI aha ok. I wasn’t sure if they needed blanching first I’ll give them a go tonight.

itsmeagainagain · 22/01/2021 15:30

@BIWI yep read the whole lot and thought I had clicked on the latest link as i saw there were a few there...will have a look again.

Also managed a bit of the Michael Mosely chat - I flipping love him!

itsmeagainagain · 22/01/2021 15:31

@BIWI sorry just got your message thanks!

BIWI · 22/01/2021 15:31

I've sent you a PM @itsmeagainagain!

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BIWI · 22/01/2021 15:32

Ha! Cross posts Grin

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ChristMyArse · 22/01/2021 15:39

Thanks @BIWI I'm still completely in the zone with it, but just needed some reassurance!! Much appreciated!

Eggy18 · 22/01/2021 16:19

Can I really lose weight without counting calories? Or is it something you do at the beginning until the sugar cravings stop?

1stMrsF · 22/01/2021 16:43

I usually try and post before lunch but it took me this long to catch up with the thread today! I am sure I was going to comment on some things but I can't remember now...
Very pleased with how the scales are moving and how much better my jeans fit already. Feeling hungry quite a bit though, not in the habit of enough fat yet.
B - creamy coffee and water through the morning
L - Burger Bowl (burger with cheese on top of salad). I forgot to make coleslaw, which I'd intended to do and only remembered when the burgers were ready. Devastated!
D - Pad Thai (replacing noodles with stir fried veg)

BIWI · 22/01/2021 16:45

@Eggy18

Can I really lose weight without counting calories? Or is it something you do at the beginning until the sugar cravings stop?
Absolutely you can! The only point you might start to think about calories is as you get near to your target. You'll find that the rate of weight loss slows the nearer you get, so that's the point that you start to factor that in.

But otherwise on Bootcamp we count neither calories nor carbs. If you follow the rules, you will lose weight.

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ShagMeRiggins · 22/01/2021 17:05

justcallmecaptainobvious nothing surreptitious about my cube licking. It’s rather flagrant.

OWN this way of eating, whether it’s for health, or weight loss, or diabetes.

It is incredibly liberating to have a (polite or clear) response to any questions about it.

You’ve read the books, you’ve seen how it works, the scientific data is there for those who wish to see it.

I make no bloody apologies, I’m taking care of my health, doing it politely (and also looking smokin’ hot while I’m at it) Wink

Phrases I have used:

Ah, that looks lovely, I’m not having cake. (Coffee morning, remember those at work or for sahp?)

I’m happy with water & lemon, thanks. (Down the pub, remember that?)

I’m really happy getting my carbs from vegetables so I’ll pass on the potatoes. They look delicious, by the way.

I’m curious, why is it important to you what I eat/put in my mouth? (Often, admittedly, said when I’ve been in my own version of “maintenance” mode and asked by a friend who seemed to be catching me out on low carving. I’ll do it in my own time, thanks.)

I’m not hungry, thank you. (Always true.)

Etc etc

Xoxo

OneFootintheRave · 22/01/2021 17:14

@Takingontheflab

Hi all, somehow I managed to completely lose track of the new thread as I'd been watching and reading but struggling to keep up and posting.

Still no budge on the scales here. Think I'm gonna have to bite bullet and break the plateau with an egg fast. However its my birthday Tuesday so I think best if i start wednesday else it'll be alot of effort for nothing (similar to the 2days I did before xmas!)

Am planning ahead for my bday though and have bought double cream and 85% choc to make truffles with. This way it'll be indulgent yet lowcarb. Wonder if i can get a candle in them 🤣

Weirdly friends are saying I look like I've lost more since xmas, but i was 175 on xmas eve and ive been 178 for 3 weeks now. And even then i only got from 178 to 175 briefly because of the egg fast! I'd been 178 for several weeks prior to that too.

But they are adament. Perhaps my bodies reshuffled a bit and I've lost some inches? Unfortunately i never measure so wouldn't know. As nice as it is to here I'm getting a bit desperate! My goal was 11st, but at this point I'd take 11.13 🤣 really I need to be 10st but thats prepregnancy weight and honestly I don't think another 3st is achievable, and I was very very skinny (not sure why, I'm short and 10st is still quite heavy but I was a size 8 and lost almost all my curves. My tits were shit!) So I don't want to push it that far. I just want to be nicely curvy and accepting of my post babies not babies anymore wobbles.

Those truffles sound interesting! Do you just melt the choc and fold it into the cream and set?
MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously · 22/01/2021 17:16

I am feeling really tired today. Is this likely to be diet or 'just' stress?
Yesterday's food was B - home made coleslaw, big chunk of feta, celery stick with boursin. L - pork scratchings D - Thai curry made with zero carb noodles, shallot, courgette and mushrooms and coconut cream. 2 sq 85% choc.
Today was B - pork scratchings again and a couple of spoons of Greek yogurt (I know the pork scratchings are too processed but they are at least low carb and high fat) L - 3 slices of corned beef and some Greek yogurt and D - salmon fried in butter with courgette and spinach, served with hollandaise. 2sq dark choc.
I can't remember if I felt like this before or whether it's just worry about all the other life things which are going on.

ouchmyfeet · 22/01/2021 17:20

I'm shattered too. Feeling better today for drinking salty lemony water though Confused

I haven't missed alcohol at all this week but Friday night after a long week is a different matter, I'm really missing that 5pm glass of wine. Focusing on how little I've missed it so far, I'll be fine once the takeaway arrives Halo