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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Low Carb Lockdown Bootcamp - Jan 21 - Week 1 chat thread

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BIWI · 17/01/2021 21:49

Welcome everyone! Hopefully you've found the easing-in week helpful, and it's given you time to get all the Christmas carby stuff out of the way, and to plan for this WOE (way of eating).

Here's a link to the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness which is managed and cherished by The Very Lovely @AthelstaneTheUnready. If your name isn't on there, and you want it to be, just add your name to the bottom of the list. Don't try and insert it in the right alphabetical place, and DON'T TOUCH THE BLUE CELLS!

(If you're using your phone you'll probably have to download the Google Sheets app to be able to access the spreadsheet.)

Before we get going, I need to post my disclaimer:

I am not a medic and I have absolutely no scientific training (beyond O-levels in Biology, Chemistry and Physics!). I'm not a dietician or a nutritionist. The advice given here is based on my own experiences as well as lots and lots of reading, but you follow it at your own 'risk'. I hope it's not a risk, but you know what I mean! If you are taking any medication currently, especially if you're hypertensive or a diabetic, please discuss this with your GP or practice nurse; low carbing should help to lower your blood pressure and can help lower your blood sugar levels, which would mean that the dosage you're taking may need to be reduced.

So let's get going ...

Some/many of you may have done Bootcamp before, but it's still worth reminding yourself about low carbing and the rules.

Firstly - how do you do low carb?

There are lots of different ways and plans! Each will have different levels of carbohydrate per day that is recommended. Keto and the first stage of Atkins (induction) are the strictest, with a maximum of 20g carbs per day.

On Bootcamp we don't count carbs (or calories). There are ten rules which you need to follow, which should ensure that you see good weight loss, without needing to weigh or count your food.

Specifically on Bootcamp this is what we do:

First, you don't eat any:

  • bread
  • pasta (brown or white)
  • rice (ditto, brown or white)
  • potatoes, sweet potatoes, sweetcorn
  • flour/anything made with flour - so no cake, biscuits, pastry, pastries, thickened sauces, crumble toppings, batter)
  • sugar (which includes honey, agave syrup, molasses)
  • fruit juice
  • full sugar fizzy drinks/squash/cordial
  • sweets and chocolate (with the exception of the very occasional piece of dark chocolate, which should be at least 70% cocoa, and then only after the first two weeks of Bootcamp)
  • pulses/legumes (including peas)
  • artificial sweeteners
  • balsamic vinegar (all other vinegars are fine - this one is sweetened, which rules it out)

For the first two weeks of Bootcamp, you also don't eat any fruit, nuts or seeds, and don't drink any alcohol. After the first two weeks, you can introduce some fruit - mainly berries - and some nuts/seeds, but in strict moderation. And you may have the occasional drink of alcohol.

What can I eat, you may ask?!

  • any meat or fish (taking care to avoid processed products as much as possible, e.g. ham, bacon, crab sticks, etc)
  • most shellfish
  • eggs, as many as you want
  • plenty of good fats (this is a high fat diet), so butter, olive oil, avocado oil, coconut oil, lard
  • cheese, full fat yoghurt and cream
  • plenty of veg and salads - this is where your carbs should mainly come from

The ten Bootcamp rules are:

1. Eat three proper meals a day
If you're new to low carbing, you must eat breakfast. It doesn’t have to be a lot, and it doesn’t have to be absolutely first thing, but you must have something. For the rest of the day, if you’re eating enough food at mealtimes then you shouldn’t be hungry between meals. But if you are hungry, eat something. (Hard boiled eggs make a great snack).
After the first two weeks of Bootcamp we will relax this, but these two weeks are critical in terms of helping you switch easily to a low carb way of eating - and if you start to feel hungry, it makes things much harder! Eating this way will ensure that your blood sugar levels are kept stable, which will mean that you are much less likely to experience hunger.
A typical high carbohydrate diet can mean that snacking is a routine part of your day. Once your blood sugar levels are stable, by eating low carb, you should find that you no longer want to snack. But the rule of thumb here is ‘if you are hungry, eat!’. (Just make sure you are only choosing low carb snacks, of course!)

If you're an old hand at low carbing, you may decide to skip breakfast (or another meal if that works best for you). This leads us to intermittent fasting, which can be hugely significant in terms of weight loss as well as delivering lots of other health benefits.

2. Avoid processed foods
Focus on pure, natural protein as the basis for your meals - meat/fish/eggs. Things like sausages, ham, bacon, pre-prepared burgers etc should be avoided as much as possible. You can have them, but just not every day. Avoid foods marketed as low carb, eg. Atkins bars.

3. Eat lots of fat
Eating fat will not make you fat. Honestly! But it will keep your appetite satisfied, and it sustains your body’s energy requirements perfectly. Fat does not provoke an insulin spike, unlike carbs which do (a lot) and protein (a little). Fry in butter, add butter to vegetables, eat salad with a home-made vinaigrette dressing (not made with balsamic vinegar though, as this is too sweet), add mayonnaise where you can (just check the carb count on your mayo first). Eat fattier cuts of meat – e.g. pork belly, roast chicken with the skin on and/or eat the fat off your lamb chops. Absolutely no low fat/light foods of any kind!

4. Make sure you are eating vegetables and salads with your food
This is where your carbs should come from, and this is non-negotiable. But choose only those vegetables that are on the allowed list. Make sure that you focus on eating those vegetables that are 3-4g carb per 100g or less, and this will ensure that your carb counts are kept low. You don’t have to weigh/count carbs – this is one of the great joys of this WOE (way of eating), but if you’re new to low carbing it can be helpful to weigh your portions of veg in the early days, just so that you know how many carbs are in the sort of portions that you like to eat.

5. Be careful about dairy (apart from butter, which is unlimited)
Dairy can impede weight loss for some people. If you are drinking tea/coffee with milk or cream, restrict yourself to max 2 cups per day. There are a lot of carbs in milk, so if you are having several cups of tea/coffee per day, you will quickly rack up your daily carb count (e.g. 1 medium latte contains more than 12g carbs!) You may eat cheese but again, don't overdo it. Full fat yoghurt is the best way to include dairy in your diet - but beware, it does contain carbs.

6. You must drink a minimum of 2 litres of water per day
The more weight you have to lose, the more water you should drink. This is from www.low-carbdiet.co.uk/. Water is essential to weight loss for those who eat low-carb. The minimum consumed in a day should be:
Your Weight----Litres
140lbs-----2.5
160lbs-----3.0
180lbs-----3.0
200lbs-----3.5
220lbs-----3.5
240lbs-----4.0
260lbs-----4.5
280lbs-----4.5
300lbs-----5.0
320lbs-----5.5
340lbs-----5.5
360lbs-----6.0
380lbs-----6.5
400lbs-----6.5

High levels of ketones in the blood stream can lead to a reduction in ketone production, therefore being well hydrated could aid in keeping the levels low and ketone production ongoing. Consuming enough water can have many other positive side effects: aids your kidneys with the processing of protein, reduces the retention of water, helps with preventing constipation, and reduces the levels of ketones released by your breath, which in-turn will reduce breath odour. However, drinking a lot of water can mean that you also need to keep an eye on your electrolyte balance. You need to make sure that you are consuming sufficient sodium and potassium. On a low carb diet we can eat more salt, so make sure that you are cooking with salt and adding salt to food, if you like it. Good, low carb, sources of potassium are spinach (raw), avocado, mushrooms, courgettes and asparagus, as well as salmon and yoghurt.

7. No alcohol
Alcohol is the easiest source of fuel for the body to burn, so it will always use this first before it starts to burn any fat - which is why you need to restrict it, especially in the first two weeks of Bootcamp, when we are encouraging the body to stop using carbs for its source of fuel and turn to fat-burning instead. If you really can't do this - at least try and restrict it to the weekend. Vodka with soda is the best thing to drink. Or Champagne, red wine or dry white wine.

8. No fruit
Really. Seriously. Honestly. None at all. Zilch. Nada. After the first two weeks of Bootcamp you will be able to introduce certain fruits, but at this stage fruit is simply too carby. We are also trying to break the addiction to sweet things, so cutting fruit out is part of this process. If you are getting all your carbs from vegetables and salad, you will be getting all the nutrients and fibre that you need.

9. No nuts/seeds
They make a great snack, but it’s also very easy to eat large quantities of them very quickly, so you can consume way too many carbs this way

10. No sugar or artificial sweeteners
Sugar is an obvious ‘no no’, but artificial sweeteners are also an issue. One of the aims of this way of eating is to eat pure and natural foods, so including sweeteners is not recommended. Some people find that artificial sweeteners can impede their weight loss, and there is some suggestion that your body can respond to sweeteners as if they were sugar, by releasing more insulin - and therefore laying down fat. Given that the aim of Bootcamp is to help us lose our sweet tooth and addiction to sweet things, then it is a good idea to avoid sweeteners altogether in this first two weeks.

So having dealt with the rules, what else do we need to think about?

The key to success is planning and preparation.

First thing is to get rid of anything in your cupboards/fridge/freezer that might tempt you. (As far as you can, give it to other members of your household!)

Next, plan what you're going to eat, and make sure you have all the ingredients that you need. If you need any inspiration, go and browse the recipes which are stickied at the top of the Low Carb Bootcamp topic.

If you don't know anything/much about low carbing make sure you read up about it. It's really important that you understand the science behind it and how it works. Have a look at the spreadsheet, and you'll see on there (on one of the tabs) a whole load of resources - videos, articles, websites etc - which are invaluable.

One of the truly amazing things about a low carb diet is that it will bring many health benefits beyond just weight loss - and you can read about those there.

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Totalshambles · 22/01/2021 11:07

Hi everyone, not posted yet this bootcamp - with kids home and homeschool etc it’s too chaotic! Have put the husband on bootcamp too as he had developed rather a stout lockdown belly. The amount of food we are going through is insane - what with all the flgv and meat etc. I am very nearly at my goal weight after last bootcamp and struggling to stay motivated since it looks like we are all going to be in lockdown for a while I am not sure what the point of getting to a goal weight is as nowhere to go or reason to dress up! I am considering doing something like going off for a week and back on for two on repeat. Would this work?

BIWI · 22/01/2021 11:07

@plumstone - yes you can use it like cream cheese. You could use it to make a cheese sauce

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BIWI · 22/01/2021 11:10

@Totalshambles when you say 'would this work?' it depends on what you're trying to achieve!

If it's about alleviating boredom, then probably yes.

If it's about losing more weight, then that depends entirely on what you eat during that week. If you revert back to a high carb diet then the risk is you'll gain anything up to half a stone - as you'll be refilling your glycogen stores - and if you keep doing that, without losing those additional pounds, you risk laying down more fat.

How about just experimenting with Bootcamp-friendly foods? Cook something totally new.

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ditavonteesed · 22/01/2021 11:12

Thought I'd better pop in and say hi because I have been naughtily lurking.
I have done boot camp before and always got on really well with it.
I started on the 31st dec and am down 5kg so far which I'm really pleased with.
My main problem is that I work a lot of nights and I always fancy crisps and biscuits at night but I've managed to convert myself to a fabulous salad at 11pm and Greek yoghurt about 5 am. I don't tend to eat anything else at all when I'm on nights as I just don't fancy it.
Just had heck chicken sausages and scrambled eggs for breakfast, was yummy,

BIWI · 22/01/2021 11:12

@Frty

Coming back to the diabetes debate further upstream - my father developed Type 2 about 20 years ago and was sent off to rehab, where they put him on a low carb diet. He lost a shedload of weight, completely changed his WoE and reversed his diabetes. He's been free of it since. However, he lives abroad, where this has been established medial practice for quite some time. No idea why the NHS is lagging behind.
Have you had a listen to the zoom call with Michael Mosley yet? He talks about this, and apparently the NHS is trialling low carb diets for diabetes patients (I think I remembered that right), and he also made the point that more and more medical students are actually being taught about nutrition - so hopefully things are going to change at some point!
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Ninkanink · 22/01/2021 11:13

@plumstone use some of the mascarpone to make a garlic and rosemary filling, stuff that into a pocket cut into a chicken breast, wrap the chicken breast in pancetta. Pan fry in butter to brown, then transfer to oven and cook for 20 min.

Totalshambles · 22/01/2021 11:27

biwi thanks so much for your advice which is always so helpful! yes will think about it more. Maybe I could see the week off more as experimenting with maintenance rather than being totally off and going crazy. Then if it’s resulted in a couple of pound gain the back to bootcamp would sort that out and I would know what to avoid in the next maintenance week.

plumstone · 22/01/2021 11:28

thanks @BIWI and @Ninkanink - will experiment!

Ninkanink · 22/01/2021 11:39

I low carb because I have type 2 diabetes - originally lost 3 stone in 3 months years ago now, and have broadly kept it off although here and there I go up about a stone again because I love food and eating and am a carb fiend through and through. However it comes off when I get my diet back under control. My daughter has type 1. Our diabetes consultants (Experts in the field) have been completely behind the low carbing approach as it works very well.

Dailyhandtowelwash · 22/01/2021 11:43

I diet controlled GD through low carbing. It was really difficult as the diabetes consultant kept telling me off and urging me to eat more carbs, but then I would have needed medication. I ate plenty of vegetables but very few refined carbs. Ever since my pregnancy I've been aware of my risk of T2 so I have annual HBA1Cs (in line with NICE guidelines) and my GS sits near the top of normal several years later. I think if I hadn't eaten lowish carb and lowish sugar ever since I may well be at least pre-diabetic by now. But I'm still cross at that consultant for trying to push carbs on me!

LittleMy77 · 22/01/2021 12:01

I’m down 4lbs since Sunday (and was down 2lbs on Sunday since the week before) which is all good.

I know it’s mainly water and probably temporary, but for the first time in about a year, the awful pad of fat that’s appeared under my bra band (thank you peri menopause..) at the front seems to have gone down considerably, which is hugely cheering as getting clothes to fit was awful Blush

Not actually hungry today, but made myself eat breakfast and give dh half of it as a result. I think my body has had enough of eggs atm so have to lay off (pun not intended!) esp as I used to be allergic as a kid. Didn’t drink enough water yesterday so trying to up my game there.

Almahart · 22/01/2021 12:07

Hallo all

I had an enjoyable time yesterday evening trying on clothes. I started on 1st January and have shifted my Christmas bloat and my skin and eyes are so much brighter.

I haven't dropped a dress size but my clothes fit and look so much better. I realise that I buy clothes to make me look better but actually it's pointless unless I look better myself.

Going to have a scroll through recipe threads for new things to make. I never get sick of coleslaw so might also make some new variations on that

ChristMyArse · 22/01/2021 12:31

@BIWI please can I ask a question! I'm on day 22 today.. I weigh the same today as I did on Monday (went up and the case down again).

I read that in week 3 and 4 you don't usually loose, I just wanted to check that I have that right in my mind!? I've lost 7.2 so far. Does this sound about right for someone that needs to shift 4/5 stone.

I'm just having a moment with myself and need to know that I'm doing it right (sorry).

Thank you!

Dailyhandtowelwash · 22/01/2021 12:33

Another question for @BIWI. Is tomato juice allowed? The one in my fridge is 2.9g carbs for 100g. I only have smallish glasses so probably wouldn't drink more than that. Or does it fall under fruit juice?

StuntNun · 22/01/2021 13:13

For those feeling deprived of their favourite carby foods, that does change the longer you eat this way. I'm proper chuffed with myself for finding double yolker eggs in the shop today. You find new favourites and new treats that do fit in with this way of eating.

BIWI · 22/01/2021 13:18

[quote ChristMyArse]@BIWI please can I ask a question! I'm on day 22 today.. I weigh the same today as I did on Monday (went up and the case down again).

I read that in week 3 and 4 you don't usually loose, I just wanted to check that I have that right in my mind!? I've lost 7.2 so far. Does this sound about right for someone that needs to shift 4/5 stone.

I'm just having a moment with myself and need to know that I'm doing it right (sorry).

Thank you!
[/quote]
Yes, I'm afraid that weeks 3 & 4 (and sometimes even 5) are notorious for seeing no loss, and sometimes even a gain.

A loss of half a stone is great! Don't panic - KOKO as it's clearly working for you. Hopefully by the time you move into next week things will get going again.

Remember, this is a marathon not a sprint. The weight didn't all go on at once, so it's not going to come off at once either.

Flowers
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BIWI · 22/01/2021 13:21

@Dailyhandtowelwash

Another question for *@BIWI*. Is tomato juice allowed? The one in my fridge is 2.9g carbs for 100g. I only have smallish glasses so probably wouldn't drink more than that. Or does it fall under fruit juice?
Well ...

It may only be 2.9g per 100g - which = 100ml - but that's a very small glass. A serving size is given as 150ml, which is the size of a small can of tonic.

If you promise me that's all you'll be drinking, then OK.

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Pandoraslastchance · 22/01/2021 13:21

My gp is quite good with nutrition and recommended I cut down on carbs significantly if I wish to avoid becoming pre diabetic.

Today is once again fucking havoc! We've cancelled learning for today and I went back to sleep. Ham salad for lunch with chilli olive oil and mayo! For tea we have fajitas(chicken, peppers and onions and maybe mushrooms if I can sneaky them in without the kids acting like I'm trying to poison the little -bastards- lambs.

Pandoraslastchance · 22/01/2021 13:24

Strike through fail bastards

Dailyhandtowelwash · 22/01/2021 13:45

@BIWI I can't quote for some reason. But thank you. I may save it for beyond two weeks when I could add a splash to some vodka... Better than sweeteners in diet tonic!

itsmeagainagain · 22/01/2021 13:49

@AthelstaneTheUnready hi I cant access the spreadsheet for some reason?

DataColour · 22/01/2021 13:57

Why? This is Bootcamp - no alcohol in the first two weeks.
I know Blush bit of a mishap. It didn't taste as nice as usual, so only had a sip. Will not be having anymore alcohol this phase is over.

Thanks for the advice. Yes we eat quite a bit of fish usually, but not had much of it this week, just haven't much of it in. Got some tuna in the freezer. I have a good recipe for tuna with coconut milk which is yum, have made it a few times. recipes if anyone's interested.
www.greatbritishchefs.com/recipes/maldivian-tuna-curry-recipe

BIWI · 22/01/2021 14:01

[quote itsmeagainagain]@AthelstaneTheUnready hi I cant access the spreadsheet for some reason?[/quote]
Have you read the whole thread, @itsmeagainagain?

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Eggy18 · 22/01/2021 14:09

Hi all,

I am new to the low carb thing! I am desperate to lose all the pregnancy weight. I read the thread yesterday and got lots of great ideas for meals, I'll try to stick to it! Wish me luck!

oscarandelliesdad · 22/01/2021 14:20

Hi @Eggie18, welcome! I'm pretty new to it too... Sugar cravings much better today, thanks @BIWI